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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Nov 7 @ 6:28 PM ET
I thought Myers was better than Schmidt last season. Schmidt was smart to get out while he could though. Said all the right things but couldn't leave fast enough. Says a lot to me when he chose to come here in the first place.
- Load Management


I really like most players but I do think there are issues . I am not sure who is the problem but you can see there are players. I hope they fix it. I still think they are building a good product .

Even the losses this year are a lot more entertaining than last years fiasco.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Nov 7 @ 6:30 PM ET
They've lost 5, 1 goal games - the PP & PK are getting destroyed - so the question is just poor luck/execution or does it need to be totally revamped - or a bit of column A column B?

I need at least a 4-7 game winning streak to convince me of anything

- Brooks_Light

King is the issue there. He is just regurgitating Browns systems, and doing it worse. He needs to go right away.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Nov 7 @ 6:32 PM ET
Thanks Carol, I think it’s Khudobin not Khubodin

Either way, if they Face Ho5tby put 5 in the bank, if not I expect a tight low scoring game.

5-1 Canucks or 3-2 in OT against Khudsey

Boeser with the hat trick either way.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 7 @ 6:39 PM ET
Schmidt was Canucks best Dman last year

Holtby save percentage whent from 889 to 924 . His GAA went from 3.67 to 2.46

- VANTEL


The entire defense struggled last year so it’s hard to really pick one dman who played well
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 7 @ 6:39 PM ET
Did he have a say in trade??
- Brooks_Light

Limited NTC so yes(to an extent)
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 7 @ 6:41 PM ET
King is the issue there. He is just regurgitating Browns systems, and doing it worse. He needs to go right away.
- Retinalz

He’s a pretty young coach and that is his first time running a powerplay in the NHL, I think he’ll get better. I like that he’s mixing up the units to try new things
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Nov 7 @ 6:44 PM ET
King is the issue there. He is just regurgitating Browns systems, and doing it worse. He needs to go right away.
- Retinalz


This is what i'm leaning towards too.

Why can't we have multiple set plays for the PP?
What happened to having a guy behind the net, who passes to Horvat in front for the bang-bang play.
How about moving the feet a bit to get the PK moving and open up some shots from the point??

Anything but Petey just standing stationary for the one-timer over the net, or JTM with the telegraphed backhand pass to the point...

I'm not on the fire Green bandwagon, but get the frustration.
I wouldn't mind seeing some assistants fired and a vet brought in to keep Green's feet to the fire.

If Green (or more importantly the players!) turn things around, fine.
If they continue to falter, you have the replacement right there.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Nov 7 @ 6:48 PM ET
This is what i'm leaning towards too.

Why can't we have multiple set plays for the PP?
What happened to having a guy behind the net, who passes to Horvat in front for the bang-bang play.
How about moving the feet a bit to get the PK moving and open up some shots from the point??

Anything but Petey just standing stationary for the one-timer over the net, or JTM with the telegraphed backhand pass to the point...

I'm not on the fire Green bandwagon, but get the frustration.
I wouldn't mind seeing some assistants fired and a vet brought in to keep Green's feet to the fire.

If Green (or more importantly the players!) turn things around, fine.
If they continue to falter, you have the replacement right there.

- dbot

This.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Nov 7 @ 6:49 PM ET
This is what i'm leaning towards too.

Why can't we have multiple set plays for the PP?
What happened to having a guy behind the net, who passes to Horvat in front for the bang-bang play.
How about moving the feet a bit to get the PK moving and open up some shots from the point??

Anything but Petey just standing stationary for the one-timer over the net, or JTM with the telegraphed backhand pass to the point...

I'm not on the fire Green bandwagon, but get the frustration.
I wouldn't mind seeing some assistants fired and a vet brought in to keep Green's feet to the fire.

If Green (or more importantly the players!) turn things around, fine.
If they continue to falter, you have the replacement right there.

- dbot

You mean like they did this past summer?
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Nov 7 @ 6:51 PM ET
Edler didn’t want out. Fans wanted it.
Schmidt didn’t bring an answer nor play to his contract worth.
Holtby got paid & was in decline.

Petey & Hughes both need vets to lead them & there is not enough of em. Ppl are quick to joke about mentors but most of the core is young & too few vets in leading roles.

- Nighthawk


Edler said himself he wanted a change. Benning was looking to resign him. You are correct that fans wanted him out... but that doesn't negate what Edler said himself.

Schmidt is playing good this season. Canucks as a whole played like poop last season so it's kind of moot pointing to how he played. He was a good D before he arrived. Schmidt wanted out... don't blame him.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Nov 7 @ 6:52 PM ET
Yeah, I didn't hear about any offers made to Edler all year long, I think he just took the hint and saved face by saying that he'll be signing elsewhere.

Schmidt just didn't fit here, seems like a decent player, but clearly the chemistry wasn't there and I feel like he and Holtby just never fit in from day one, I like that Benning recognized this and moved on from both instead of being stubborn about it.


I also agree that the loss of Sutter/Beagle probably has hurt the locker room and the PK, plus in faceoffs, the coaching staff and players will have to adjust.

- Nucker101


He requested a trade. Decision was forced on Benning.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 7 @ 6:55 PM ET
Lucas Raymond is a good example of developing a kid on a bad team.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 7 @ 6:58 PM ET
He’s a pretty young coach and that is his first time running a powerplay in the NHL, I think he’ll get better. I like that he’s mixing up the units to try new things
- Nucker101

Stl was losing a lot of 1 goal games. They were in last place. Fired the coach and won the cup.

Writing is on the wall if Benning smart enough to see it.

I don't want Benning in charge of the draft next season.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 7 @ 6:59 PM ET
Lucas Raymond is a good example of developing a kid on a bad team.
- Codes1087

What he is doing is pretty unsustainable but yeah Green is a bad coach.

He would rather lose 3-2 then try and win 3-2
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Nov 7 @ 7:01 PM ET
You mean like they did this past summer?
- Marwood


Yeah.
But King and Baumer are still there.


I wouldn't be mad if they're let go or reshuffled and a couple more senior coaches brought in (no assistants)
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Nov 7 @ 7:02 PM ET
Stl wa losing a lot of 1 goal games. They were in last place. Fired the coach and won the cup.

Writing is on the wall if Benning smart enough to see it.

I don't want Benning in charge of the draft next season.

- manvanfan


why not?

I thought ya'll were mad at Green and happy with the picks/trades Benning has made
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 7 @ 7:06 PM ET
why not?
- dbot

He isn't capable of moving the team in the direction it needs to go.

Add: he is a builder. He built, got a nice core but can't supplement.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Nov 7 @ 7:19 PM ET
What he is doing is pretty unsustainable but yeah Green is a bad coach.

He would rather lose 3-2 then try and win 3-2

- manvanfan


Dahlen seems to be doing ok too
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Nov 7 @ 7:25 PM ET
He isn't capable of moving the team in the direction it needs to go.

Add: he is a builder. He built, got a nice core but can't supplement.

- manvanfan

He deserves to see this through
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 7 @ 7:25 PM ET
Dahlen seems to be doing ok too
- Codes1087

It's early. Lots of kids tend to start quick till the energy wears off and teams play them harder.

See later on who is for real.

Bowen in Col doing real well too. Strong rookie class.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Nov 7 @ 7:27 PM ET
Enjoy the game gents I'm off to a Filipino birthday party.


golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Nov 7 @ 7:31 PM ET
Until you change coach it’s harder to tell what else is wrong with your team. Players that could seem like a problem under one coach can become effective under another by being deployed and treated properly.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Nov 7 @ 7:31 PM ET
He deserves to see this through
- Nucker101


I mean, I’m not opposed him getting his one more year, but I’m not sure he ‘deserves’ anything however, his record speaks for itself.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Nov 7 @ 7:34 PM ET
He deserves to see this through
- Nucker101

Through to what? How long does the team flounder? He isn't tweaking little by little anymore. He had to make huge changes and the team still looks like they aren't going to take the next step.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Nov 7 @ 7:47 PM ET
He’s a pretty young coach and that is his first time running a powerplay in the NHL, I think he’ll get better. I like that he’s mixing up the units to try new things
- Nucker101

Then have him coach the AHL special teams. The NHL is no place for a first year special teams coach with little experience, who only does what his predessor did. Only he does it worse, and it didn't work in the first place. We have a lot of skill, and guys who think outside the box. When you have them standing in place and (very predictably) only pass around the outside hoping for the perfect shot... you have an issue. When you pk is sub 70%, you have a MAJOR problem. Below 80% is considered bad, below 70% is beer hockey.
Again, he needs to go back to being a video coach, or just gone...
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