If I recall the details and picks correctly, trading for Andrew Shaw was a much better choice than drafting Debrincat and Girard...things people who blame Timmins and not MB for the draft record seem to forget
- Takemedrunkimhome

Yeah well, you can still blame Timmins for the picks he was allowed to make. Everytime they trade the picks people act like he would've picked the right guy....

"Oh yeah, if we didn't trade the pick, fans would've been happy with what we had planned"

STFU, you would've most likely picked a USHL bust...

Yeah well, you can still blame Timmins for the picks he was allowed to make. Everytime they trade the picks people act like he would've picked the right guy....
- BashCH

Or all the good players he drafts (the few) get traded for magic beans...pretty much every damn time

If I recall the details and picks correctly, trading for Andrew Shaw was a much better choice than drafting Debrincat and Girard...things people who blame Timmins and not MB for the draft record seem to forget
- Takemedrunkimhome

Bergevin won most of his trades.

Hated that one the minute it happened. At least we got back a similar return when Chicago made the mistake of bringing him back.

But there's no telling Timmins would have drafted these guys and not Cameron Morrison and Chad Krys.

I'm having a hard time giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Bergevin won most of his trades.

Hated that one the minute it happened. At least we got back a similar return when Chicago made the mistake of bringing him back.

But there's no telling Timmins would have drafted these guys and not Cameron Morrison and Chad Krys.

I'm having a hard time giving him the benefit of the doubt.
- Scabeh

im on this side as well. there's no evidence that this group would have properly drafted and developed with those picks. it's been nearly a decade that they've been running things together. there is not a single impact player on this roster that was drafted and developed by this group. not one.

Bergevin won most of his trades.

Hated that one the minute it happened. At least we got back a similar return when Chicago made the mistake of bringing him back.

But there's no telling Timmins would have drafted these guys and not Cameron Morrison and Chad Krys.

I'm having a hard time giving him the benefit of the doubt.
- Scabeh

I'm not defending Timmins, I'm guess I'm arguing that Timmins and MB are a package that needs to go together

I'm not defending Timmins, I'm guess I'm arguing that Timmins and MB are a package that needs to go together
- Takemedrunkimhome

Nobody is debating that.

I'm not defending Timmins, I'm guess I'm arguing that Timmins and MB are a package that needs to go together
- Takemedrunkimhome

Nobody is debating that.

Nobody is debating that.
- BashCH

I saw two people having the very same opinion at the very same time. So its very not a debate.

Nobody is debating that.
- BashCH

I definitely wouldn't mind a full management change if it brings competent people with a fresh new perspective, but I do consider that a change in terms of drafting and development is a priority, so if that would mean replacing Timmins but keeping MB then so be it.

Nobody is debating that.
- BashCH

That's not quite true

That's not quite true
- Takemedrunkimhome

Yeah well, you can probably find people that don't share this opinion but the majority of people here would tend to agree I think.

Yeah well, you can probably find people that don't share this opinion but the majority of people here would tend to agree I think.
- BashCH

I've seen it argued enough that it doesn't hurt to point out MB's role in the Habs draft ineptitude

I've seen it argued enough that it doesn't hurt to point out MB's role in the Habs draft ineptitude
- Takemedrunkimhome

Bergevin does have a role, no doubt about it.

And deciding to keep him as head scout is part of it.


Fire them both, start anew.

Bergevin does have a role, no doubt about it.

And deciding to keep him as head scout is part of it.


Fire them both, start anew.
- Scabeh

he bears 100% of the blame for the development failure. 100%. it's been his decision to leave the entire apparatus in place for 9 years.

Bergevin does have a role, no doubt about it.

And deciding to keep him as head scout is part of it.


Fire them both, start anew.
- Scabeh

I want Martin Madden Jr as part of the retool/rebuild. Looking at the Ducks and the fact they have 16 players on their active roster that they actually drafted. Montreal will never be the destination of choice for UFA, only way to build a contender in Montreal IMO is via the draft.

I want Martin Madden Jr as part of the retool/rebuild. Looking at the Ducks and the fact they have 16 players on their active roster that they actually drafted. Montreal will never be the destination of choice for UFA, only way to build a contender in Montreal IMO is via the draft.
- Habsody

i mean it's pretty much the only way to build a contender anyway but yes

After six games with the NHL club, Hendrix Lapierre is headed back to junior. The Washington Capitals have assigned the young prospect to the Acadie-Bathurst Titan of the QMJHL where he will play the rest of the season.

I want Martin Madden Jr as part of the retool/rebuild. Looking at the Ducks and the fact they have 16 players on their active roster that they actually drafted. Montreal will never be the destination of choice for UFA, only way to build a contender in Montreal IMO is via the draft.
- Habsody

also with Bob Murray possibly out in Anaheim he'd likely be in line for the promotion there

i mean it's pretty much the only way to build a contender anyway but yes
- DoubleDown

Some teams manage to do it without but you still need some good pieces through the draft...

After six games with the NHL club, Hendrix Lapierre is headed back to junior. The Washington Capitals have assigned the young prospect to the Acadie-Bathurst Titan of the QMJHL where he will play the rest of the season.
- AGalchenyuk27

Well, at least he got a feel for the big league.

Well, at least he got a feel for the big league.
- BashCH

You know who's not getting sent down?

Dawson Mercer.

You know who's not getting sent down?

Dawson Mercer.
- Scabeh

Yeah, won't help MB detractors that he was available when they picked Guhle.

he bears 100% of the blame for the development failure. 100%. it's been his decision to leave the entire apparatus in place for 9 years.
- DoubleDown

That KK debacle shoulda got anyone fired, right down to the day they drafted him..

Yeah, won't help MB detractors that he was available when they picked Guhle.
- BashCH

They could have called me, I would have told them to grab him.

But Guhle was a solid choice. I'm not complaining too much just yet.

That KK debacle shoulda got anyone fired, right down to the day they drafted him..
- pete26

Many other things should've done it as well...but I get where you're coming from.