Travis Green is a real champion. Toronto as a player and Vancouver as a coach.

Then coaches should never be fired or not resigned? Okie dokie lol
- Nighthawk

I don’t know about that, but I doubt that unless you are replacing your coach with someone who is actually a significantly better coach you will see much difference.

I’m not really a fan of Travis Green, but I doubt that any coach they could replace him with would make a significant difference.

He won’t get close to be here that long but he could set the table the way the team has been playing.
- Nighthawk

So you bring in Brad Shaw or Boudreau but you still have King and Baumer who are running special teams.

You bring in a new GM and he wants his staff . You tell the Sedins sorry things have changed 15 games in and the new guy doesn't want you .

Like Juolevi?
- Load Management

Do you think Benning will be doing the draft next year? I don't . I think he will be released this summer coming.

The screenshot of the players management gripes is a piece of fiction for the most part or the OP implying poop that can't be backed up.
- boonerbuck

👍

Do you think Benning will be doing the draft next year? I don't . I think he will be released this summer coming.
- VANTEL

I think he will get one more kick at the can.

We know most of these players can do much much better because we've seen it. We know improvements have been added with players like Garland and OEL. We know OEL is a very good PP guy... can move the puck and is excellent at getting the puck on net. There are a handful of players that are on pace for career seasons. We know Demko is among the best Gt's in the league. We know we have a couple of the best face off players in the league. We knew Schmidt was a good D before he came to the Canucks and now is looking fantastic after requesting a trade.

It's pretty obvious to me that this team needs different coaching staff. There are many people on here pretending that the players on the Canucks are worthless... they are literally omitting the past performances proving their capabilities. This roaster needs work but I don't for a minute believe they are useless and all have to be scuttlebutted with the exception of 1 or 2... Coaches first, management 2nd, tear down 3rd... thats the order needed to get to the bottom of this.

Yes I know if Green goes so does Benning. I was the one saying this in the preseason when Green proved then he wasn't going to anything different than previous... but that's the order of priorities to turn things around imo.

Are you suggesting the media? Further, are you suggesting the media knows more than the fans?

I mean they have better access to ask questions, but deep down, they’re just fans with a communications degree.
- 1970vintage

Interesting (old) blog about changing a head coach in professional sports. Seems it doesn’t make much difference…

https://freakonomics.com/...-coach-really-the-answer/
- 1970vintage

Why not try and find an article that is up to date or at least recent.

I don’t know about that, but I doubt that unless you are replacing your coach with someone who is actually a significantly better coach you will see much difference.

I’m not really a fan of Travis Green, but I doubt that any coach they could replace him with would make a significant difference.
- 1970vintage

STL was in last place, changed their coach, fought during practice and won a cup.

So you bring in Brad Shaw or Boudreau but you still have King and Baumer who are running special teams.

You bring in a new GM and he wants his staff . You tell the Sedins sorry things have changed 15 games in and the new guy doesn't want you .
- VANTEL

Shaw is a sign of change.
Green is a goner one way or another.
Wanted Baumer gone for ages.
King hasn’t earned staying.

If JB stays who’s his boss. FA & no Pres?
As for the Sedins I don’t concern myself with them. Tbh I don’t exactly know what their roles are or understand their impact.

Overall a house cleaning is in order unless some unforeseen massive turnaround occurs. That doesn't look likely & IF/WHEN it doesn’t happen this market will scream like never before to have heads roll. I cannot see it happen any differently.

I don’t know about that, but I doubt that unless you are replacing your coach with someone who is actually a significantly better coach you will see much difference.

I’m not really a fan of Travis Green, but I doubt that any coach they could replace him with would make a significant difference.
- 1970vintage

I disagree with the bold part. Green's Utica boy King is a disaster on the PP... Greens Utica boy Baumer is a disaster on D, Green is a disaster with his line up combo's.

He lost the players going back to his surrender in the Vegas series with his instruction to let Vegas shoot which led to bombardments and sieges they had no answer to... they haven't returned to form since. They need fresh coaches willing to do things differently and the players should respond.

So you bring in Brad Shaw or Boudreau but you still have King and Baumer who are running special teams.

You bring in a new GM and he wants his staff . You tell the Sedins sorry things have changed 15 games in and the new guy doesn't want you .
- VANTEL

They usually clean house. Ian Clarke would be the only exception.

Shaw is a sign of change.
Green is a goner one way or another.
Wanted Baumer gone for ages.
King hasn’t earned staying.

If JB stays who’s his boss. FA & no Pres?
As for the Sedins I don’t concern myself with them. Tbh I don’t exactly know what their roles are or understand their impact.

Overall a house cleaning is in order unless some unforeseen massive turnaround occurs. That doesn't look likely & IF/WHEN it doesn’t happen this market will scream like never before to have heads roll. I cannot see it happen any differently.
- Nighthawk

I agree that a house cleaning is needed but you don't change your entire staff during the season.

Bringing in Shaw now with the same coaching staff is setting him up to fail IMO.

Interesting (old) blog about changing a head coach in professional sports. Seems it doesn’t make much difference…

https://freakonomics.com/...-coach-really-the-answer/
- 1970vintage

Interesting read, I wonder whether/how much a study about college football program coaching changes is applicable to the NHL(for a number of reasons). NCAA seems much more about money to me.

https://www.capfriendly.c...layers/nicolas-aube-kubel

On waivers today. He's a right shot. Plus Van owes Philly a claim.

I don’t know about that, but I doubt that unless you are replacing your coach with someone who is actually a significantly better coach you will see much difference.

I’m not really a fan of Travis Green, but I doubt that any coach they could replace him with would make a significant difference.
- 1970vintage

Coach Q

We know most of these players can do much much better because we've seen it. We know improvements have been added with players like Garland and OEL. We know OEL is a very good PP guy... can move the puck and is excellent at getting the puck on net. There are a handful of players that are on pace for career seasons. We know Demko is among the best Gt's in the league. We know we have a couple of the best face off players in the league. We knew Schmidt was a good D before he came to the Canucks and now is looking fantastic after requesting a trade.

It's pretty obvious to me that this team needs different coaching staff. There are many people on here pretending that the players on the Canucks are worthless... they are literally omitting the past performances proving their capabilities. This roaster needs work but I don't for a minute believe they are useless and all have to be scuttlebutted with the exception of 1 or 2... Coaches first, management 2nd, tear down 3rd... thats the order needed to get to the bottom of this.

Yes I know if Green goes so does Benning. I was the one saying this in the preseason when Green proved then he wasn't going to anything different than previous... but that's the order of priorities to turn things around imo.
- boonerbuck

A coaching change won't make much of a difference without this group getting a massive shakeup to the core. They've been together for almost 4 years now with little to show for it. MAYBE they're capable of more, but they haven't showed it and they've regressed since the bubble playoffs. You can put some of that on coaching, but coaches can't take shots or play defense or execute gameplans, that's on the players on the ice. All the talent in the world is useless if you can't utilize it properly and that speaks to more than coaching, line combos, systems and the like. I would like to see Benning (or whoever replaces him) trade away either Miller or Horvat to send a message that nobody is safe and that they need to get their asses in gear because honestly, I do not like this core as constructed and I personally think it needs to be blown up now.

I think of some of the head scratcher Green has pulled this season already.

Pulls Burroughs from the line up. He led the team in hits and blocked shots at the time. After the game Green accuses the team of not wanting it enough. Points to the lack of hits and blocked shots. He was the one that pulled the team leader in those categories from the line up. Passes the buck.

Podz scores from the 4rth line. Something desperately needed. Podz spends the next 2 games in the press box.

Garland tops the league in shoot outs at over 50%. Green leaves him out of the top 3??????????

Green pulls the GT and doesn't put Garland out as one of the 6 attackers. Garland the team leader in scoring... the hottest Canuck. Team loses.

QH misses camp and all but 2 pre season games. Then after first 4 games leads the league in minutes and is all of a sudden listed as day to day with a minor injury.

Edit: Before the season started, Benning talked about how adding D!ckinson was going to free up Bo from the big match ups and focus on offense. Then Green repeated this. Now when he's asked about why he won't split up Bo and Pearson, he says because those two are going against the big match ups. He refuses to do anything different even when one of the leagues better shut down players has been added to counter that issue.

I can go on... and probably will as I remember other things that had me asking wtf he's doing....

A coaching change won't make much of a difference without this group getting a massive shakeup to the core. They've been together for almost 4 years now with little to show for it. MAYBE they're capable of more, but they haven't showed it and they've regressed since the bubble playoffs. You can put some of that on coaching, but coaches can't take shots or play defense or execute gameplans, that's on the players on the ice. All the talent in the world is useless if you can't utilize it properly and that speaks to more than coaching, line combos, systems and the like. I would like to see Benning (or whoever replaces him) trade away either Miller or Horvat to send a message that nobody is safe and that they need to get their asses in gear because honestly, I do not like this core as constructed and I personally think it needs to be blown up now.
- DariusKnight

This team's core has been shaken up for years. Most of the current players only been together a few short years. Horvat is the exception and he's proven to be the most consistent and takes his game to the next level big time like he did both times he was in the playoffs. The young players here now all can and have done better. New quality players in OEL, Garland and D!ckinson have been added. Things only get worse with improved roster....

People need to wake the (frank) up.

I agree that a house cleaning is needed but you don't change your entire staff during the season.

Bringing in Shaw now with the same coaching staff is setting him up to fail IMO.
- VANTEL

It wouldn’t be the same coaches after a house cleaning.

It wouldn’t be the same coaches after a house cleaning.
- Nighthawk

You can't change your coaching staff mid season. Who is gooing to teach them the PP ? The Zamboni driver?

You can't change your coaching staff mid season. Who is gooing to teach them the PP ? The Zamboni driver?
- VANTEL

Works in movies

what a drama queen
- Nucker101

You can't change your coaching staff mid season. Who is gooing to teach them the PP ? The Zamboni driver?
- VANTEL

They know how to take instructions for the PP... its all about what those instructions are. Why do you think we have Petey walking away from King in the scrum and Miller arguing with King at the same time. They know his bush league ideas are figured out by the opposition and are pointless. Instead of a change up in strategy, king just puts different players out there with the same instruction to " get the puck to Petey who will be standing right here"(points to a skinny X on the marker board). That's not a change in strategy at all. Just different players wasting a PP.