(frank) you Troll! How dare you disagree with me! I will never again respond you! And anything you say from this point on I will disagree with it, even if I agree with it.

Joking aside. If there were one or two things Dach needed to work on I’d agree to leave him in the NHL, however there are a number of things he has problems with. He came out of junior and his weakness was scoring, he has trouble getting his shot off, his tends to stickhandle himself into trouble, he’s weak on faceoffs, when he doesn’t have the puck he seldom gets himself into open areas for a pass and at times in the offensive zones he can get caught standing still watching the play develop instead of finding open ice and making plays happen. And yes there are definitely strong points to his game. He’s an excellent passer, he’s very creative finding guys for passes, he’s not afraid to go to tough areas and his defensive work is way above average for someone of his age and experience, which is unusual.

Dach in the Hawks lineup does nothing for Chicago this season. Dach learning and working on his weak points in Rockford may be very beneficial for Chicago next season, assuming of course your assertion he can learn all of it playing in the NHL is true.
- paulr

The NHL Network on Sirius XM has a show called Hockey Prospects. They had Winnipeg's Asst GM on and the name Cole Perfetti came up - 10th overall pick in 2020. The moderator made the comment that he loves the way Perfetti is able to control and hold onto the puck looking to make plays. The AGM responded and said '"sorry disagree, it just isn't going to work in the NHL holding onto the puck at the blueline and circling, we are working very hard with him to play the game fast. Fortunately for him, he got to play in the AHL last year right after being drafted because many of the AHL players were serving on the taxi squad for NHL teams during Covid. Otherwise, Perfetti would not have been able to crack the AHL squad and would have been sent back to junior."

And the other thing he said - "media and fans don't realize how hard and fast the American Hockey League is, in my opinion very few kids coming out of junior or college hockey can step directly into an AHL lineup right away and make a difference. They wind up sitting a lot."

Playing the game fast - isn't that a significant part of the problem with Strome, in addition to his sh$tty skating.?

And Dach - no choice but to be patient with him and provide good coaching to improve the areas of his game that are weak. It takes time.

Keep in mind who was in front of him on that team. Kane and Hossa on the RWs. Saad, Sharp, Bickell on the LWs. That team also had the human multi-tool, Andrew Shaw.

The Hawks, as currently constructed, don't have that type of talent.
- Rota's Rooter

Completely agree, the team was impressive with all the talent, I'm a believer playing good defense never slumps, and Dach does that. Love his effort. I also don't think it's a bad thing having him with Kane and Cat, who better to learn from, I've seen Kane with forwards talking to them after shifts on the bench.

Keep in mind who was in front of him on that team. Kane and Hossa on the RWs. Saad, Sharp, Bickell on the LWs. That team also had the human multi-tool, Andrew Shaw.

The Hawks, as currently constructed, don't have that type of talent.
- Rota's Rooter

That is a big ask for some.

Dach:
Not comparable but Guy LeFleur's first 3 NHL seasons were very average
& the next 7 spectacular !

Dach:
Not comparable but Guy LeFleur's first 3 NHL seasons were very average
& the next 7 spectacular !
- Colbyboy

So Kirby needs to ditch the helmet and visor?

So Kirby needs to ditch the helmet and visor?
- Rota's Rooter

No. Needs to start smoking darts in the dressing room between periods.

So Kirby needs to ditch the helmet and visor?
- Rota's Rooter

And wear Fleury's jersey?

Jumbo Joe's first three years:

1997–98 Boston Bruins NHL 55 3 4 7
1998–99 Boston Bruins NHL 81 16 25 41
1999–00 Boston Bruins NHL 81 23 37 60

Dach's first three years:

2019–20 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 64 8 15 23
2020–21 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 18 2 8 10
2021-22 Chicago Blackhawks NHL 15 3 2 5

He's falling a behind Jumbo's development but heck Thornton is a one of a kind player even if he's never hoisted the Cup over his head.

If he could convert better, which also could be puck luck, Kirby probably could have 3-4 more goals.

I'd like to seeing him on the 3rd line to get more favorable match ups. That Dach, Strome, Borgstrum line looked good in the preseason. However if we did that, the Kane, Johnson, Cat line got pretty mismatched in the early season. Maybe under King it'll play better.

How long to 100% from the wrist injury and surgery that Dach had? Kane had a down year after his wrist surgery, I remember, and that wasn't quite as serious. On the plus side, he is skating better this year, and using his body more.

Also, let's see how much players' stats and analytics improve post-Colliton. Given how they have responded so far to the coaching change, it tells me the requisite buy-in didn't exist before.

The other thing that hasn't been mentioned about Dach is that he is absolutely brutal at the dot. 31% If he's playing with Kane and ADC, they aren't going to be any better. I agree he plays well defensively, but he needs to be on a line where the winger can take the draw. Johnson and Strome are both above 55% right now, so that's something to consider. That can contribute to his lack of production too. If his line spends the entire shift chasing the puck, you can't produce.

On Dach, A few years ago on the-rink's podcast they had Bill Placzek on there talking about him. He was described as a multi-tooled pass first big guy who can back check and play in his own zone but probably isn't going to blow your skirt up.

I don't think there's been anything to be disappointed about the player. He was never predicted to be a dominant force except by the bozo's who were comparing him to a Getzlaf type player.
- fattybeef

FattyBeef,

I AM Bill Płaczek


too funny

The other thing that hasn't been mentioned about Dach is that he is absolutely brutal at the dot. 31% If he's playing with Kane and ADC, they aren't going to be any better. I agree he plays well defensively, but he needs to be on a line where the winger can take the draw. Johnson and Strome are both above 55% right now, so that's something to consider. That can contribute to his lack of production too. If his line spends the entire shift chasing the puck, you can't produce.
- biskit67

I would imagine that a wrist injury might hamper his ability at the dot, no? Faceoff prowess can be learned. I’d say let him keep trying/learning. This year is lost anyway. Can’t hurt, might help in the future.

Dach:
Not comparable but Guy LeFleur's first 3 NHL seasons were very average
& the next 7 spectacular !
- Colbyboy

I actually look at Dach becoming Grant Mulvey, started in the league at 18, took him 5 seasons to have a few top 6 seasons.. Mulvey 6'4, 200 lbs, fell down a lot the first few years in the league.

I actually look at Dach becoming Grant Mulvey, started in the league at 18, took him 5 seasons to have a few top 6 seasons.. Mulvey 6'4, 200 lbs, fell down a lot the first few years in the league.
- LAHawk

Good ole #22! I met him once and shook his hand. It was like grasping a 12" cast iron frying pan.

I actually look at Dach becoming Grant Mulvey, started in the league at 18, took him 5 seasons to have a few top 6 seasons.. Mulvey 6'4, 200 lbs, fell down a lot the first few years in the league.
- LAHawk

Grant Mulvey had a heavy shot, that’s hard to learn. Quick release with accuracy can be taught, Dach will be fine, I’ll take him over the other guys drafted with him, but let’s see how they all develop, you just never know as they are all 20 years old.

FattyBeef,

I AM Bill Płaczek


too funny
- wiz1901

I know - Weve talked about the Polish triangle before - but I mostly remember the podcast. It was a good one. The player described there doesn't seem a whole lot different from the player on the ice now. The wrist injury set him back but otherwise not a whole lot to be disappointed with. He's pretty much as advertised. Not a moron, big body, decent skill, moves well, plays defense.

I don't recall you comparing him to Getzlaf but then again it was a while ago. Getzlaf always played with a bit of a red ass and I don't think that Dach has that mentality.

If he's a 15\35 guy or a 20\50 guy will largely depend on him but he's for sure a NHL player with the potential to be a very good one if he continues to work hard and stays healthy. Maybe not a 'star' but those aren't necessarily easy to find.

FattyBeef,

I AM Bill Płaczek


too funny
- wiz1901

Roumeliotis: Derek King said Caleb Jones will probably take warmups in Seattle just to get back into the routine.

Edmonton game a possibility? "I'm sure he's going to definitely want to play against Edmonton. We'll just play it by ear." #Blackhawks

Please be ready sooner rather than later.

The Vid has struck the Ottawa Senators. Apparently, their next three games will be postponed.

With it becoming more clear that the jab doesn't last very long, I wonder how much more of this....stuff.....we will see?

The Vid has struck the Ottawa Senators. Apparently, their next three games will be postponed.

With it becoming more clear that the jab doesn't last very long, I wonder how much more of this....stuff.....we will see?
- mohel

Probably more as the winter goes on.

The "jab" works as all vaccines work. It's infection effectiveness drops over time, but it's ability to keep people out of hospitals and mortuaries doesn't decline - breakthrough infections happen, but people show no / less symptoms, stay out of needing hospitalization, and don't die.

To say that "the jab doesn't last very long" is very misleading.

Had more people been vaccinated, the breakthrough infections would be less thatn they have been.

But these issues will persist as the cold weather comes in.

Roumeliotis: Derek King said Caleb Jones will probably take warmups in Seattle just to get back into the routine.

Edmonton game a possibility? "I'm sure he's going to definitely want to play against Edmonton. We'll just play it by ear." #Blackhawks

Please be ready sooner rather than later.
- Chunk

Also:

Derek King says Brandon Hagel will try to practice non-contact tomorrow and then come on the Blackhawks' trip.

Tyler Johnson is getting re-evaluated and is iffy to come on the trip.

Probably more as the winter goes on.

The "jab" works as all vaccines work. It's infection effectiveness drops over time, but it's ability to keep people out of hospitals and mortuaries doesn't decline - breakthrough infections happen, but people show no / less symptoms, stay out of needing hospitalization, and don't die.

To say that "the jab doesn't last very long" is very misleading.

Had more people been vaccinated, the breakthrough infections would be less thatn they have been.

But these issues will persist as the cold weather comes in.
- StLBravesFan

What was misleading was all the talk when the vaccine came out and continuing until recently.

Also:

Derek King says Brandon Hagel will try to practice non-contact tomorrow and then come on the Blackhawks' trip.

Tyler Johnson is getting re-evaluated and is iffy to come on the trip.
- Chunk

With Hagel's style of play and the Hawks' position in the standings, an extra week week after being cleared to play might be smart.

A bit mysterious on T. Johnson. Couple days ago sounded like he was good.

With Hagel's style of play and the Hawks' position in the standings, an extra week week after being cleared to play might be smart.

A bit mysterious on T. Johnson. Couple days ago sounded like he was good.
- mohel

I thought I read that he was still having lingering issues with his neck, but I haven't been able to find anything to corroborate (or even where I thought I originally read it).

so this is what senility is like...

Probably more as the winter goes on.

The "jab" works as all vaccines work. It's infection effectiveness drops over time, but it's ability to keep people out of hospitals and mortuaries doesn't decline - breakthrough infections happen, but people show no / less symptoms, stay out of needing hospitalization, and don't die.

To say that "the jab doesn't last very long" is very misleading.

Had more people been vaccinated, the breakthrough infections would be less thatn they have been.

But these issues will persist as the cold weather comes in.
- StLBravesFan

You mean like the flu, where you might still get it, but it may not be as severe, like that?