The upside of frost and willman is much greater than the 2 slugs. Both been playing the pk. Maybe just maybe they can help in that dept. as well. Nah keep rolling what "works".
- hello it's me 2050

IMO both these guys had their chance and missed it. Yes, they are both starting to put up good numbers at LV, but the team as a whole stinks. There is more to NHL hockey than AHL numbers. I think both need to spend more time at LV getting the reps and developing. The Flyers are 8-4-2 and have beaten some very good teams so far, they do not need Frost and Willman at this moment.

that being said look at the future D " core"......wylie st ivany millman Attard Andrea ginning hogberg....

I dare you to find a brtter group elsewhere.
- hello it's me 2050

no york or zamula. interesting how you did that.

Ellis out 4-6 weeks. So essentially he’s already missing 30 games. 🙄

Just a couple of years ago, I heard the story that Flyers D was set for years. What used to be a weakness for the club (home grown solid D) was now a future strength.

Between Provorov, Ghost, Myers, Sanheim and Morin, the the pool to draw the front 4 were largely set. Between Alt, Friedman and Hagg, and someone from above, so was the pool for the bottom pairing.

Leafs would "kill to have the young D we have", someone here was fond of saying. Multiple people pooh-poohed a Nylander for Sanheim trade.

Fast forward to today. 4 of our 6 are veteran D signed from outside. One of the remaining two is an above average #1 but not considered top tier. One is a below average 2nd pairing guy.

You arent getting nylander for travis right now, thats for sure

In the meantime, for two post-seasons in a row, Nylander has been the best Leafs forward, averaging ppg in the post-season. He is also averaging ppg in the regular season as well.

So, wise men of HB, wtf happened?
- PT21

IMO both these guys had their chance and missed it. Yes, they are both starting to put up good numbers at LV, but the team as a whole stinks. There is more to NHL hockey than AHL numbers. I think both need to spend more time at LV getting the reps and developing. The Flyers are 8-4-2 and have beaten some very good teams so far, they do not need Frost and Willman at this moment.
- jd250

please help me understand what chance they have had with the flyers?

It is clear all you look at is the record.

no york or zamula. interesting how you did that.
- Ftown19125

in al honesty I forgot. So no not interesting at all.

in al honesty I forgot. So no not interesting at all.
- hello it's me 2050

convenient.

convenient.
- Ftown19125

what else you have today stronzo? any bowling action tonight?

what else you have today stronzo? any bowling action tonight?
- hello it's me 2050

"big yawn"

"big yawn"
- Ftown19125

not surprised. You still in roofers local 30?

Leafs would "kill to have the young D we have", someone here was fond of saying. Multiple people pooh-poohed a Nylander for Sanheim trade.

Fast forward to today. 4 of our 6 are veteran D signed from outside. One of the remaining two is an above average #1 but not considered top tier. One is a below average 2nd pairing guy.

In the meantime, for two post-seasons in a row, Nylander has been the best Leafs forward, averaging ppg in the post-season. He is also averaging ppg in the regular season as well.

So, wise men of HB, wtf happened?
- PT21

you arent getting nylander for sanheim right now, not even close
I remember some saying travis was an untouchable lol
news flash, no one on this team is untouchable

Just a couple of years ago, I heard the story that Flyers D was set for years. What used to be a weakness for the club (home grown solid D) was now a future strength.

Between Provorov, Ghost, Myers, Sanheim and Morin, the the pool to draw the front 4 were largely set. Between Alt, Friedman and Hagg, and someone from above, so was the pool for the bottom pairing.

Leafs would "kill to have the young D we have", someone here was fond of saying. Multiple people pooh-poohed a Nylander for Sanheim trade.

Fast forward to today. 4 of our 6 are veteran D signed from outside. One of the remaining two is an above average #1 but not considered top tier. One is a below average 2nd pairing guy.

In the meantime, for two post-seasons in a row, Nylander has been the best Leafs forward, averaging ppg in the post-season. He is also averaging ppg in the regular season as well.

So, wise men of HB, wtf happened?
- PT21

Still wouldn't make the Nylander for Sanheim trade. You're kind of contradicting yourself here. If they trade Sanheim for a forward, who replaces Sanheim? Even if you get the best player in a trade, if a trade creates a hole, then it doesn't help you.

you arent getting nylander for sanheim right now, not even close
I remember some saying travis was an untouchable lol
news flash, no one on this team is untouchable
- bradster

You’re not getting Nylander for Sanheim ever.

Still wouldn't make the Nylander for Sanheim trade. You're kind of contradicting yourself here. If they trade Sanheim for a forward, who replaces Sanheim? Even if you get the best player in a trade, if a trade creates a hole, then it doesn't help you.
- MJL

Imo, unless you are a true contender for the season, you always make the trade in which you get the much better player. For the same reason you choose BPA in a draft irrespective of need. The excess value you get will more than pay off down the line. Thus, we have many centers and no #1LD, but if you get McDavid for Provorov, you make that trade, and I am sure you agree.

But I was not really talking about making that particular trade which is not on the table anyway. I was just pointing out how wrong fans can be about their own prospects, in a specific way.

*And if I may humbly point out, how the position where they were drafted and external unbiased/expert assessments tend to provide a far more accurate picture on average than from the fans of the team.

*runs away

Imo, unless you are a true contender for the season, you always make the trade in which you get the much better player. For the same reason you choose BPA in a draft irrespective of need. The excess value you get will more than pay off down the line. Thus, we have many centers and no #1LD, but if you get McDavid for Provorov, you make that trade, and I am sure you agree.

But I was not really talking about making that particular trade which is not on the table anyway. I was just pointing out how wrong fans can be about their own prospects, in a specific way.

*And if I may humbly point out, how the position where they were drafted and external unbiased/expert assessments tend to provide a far more accurate picture on average than from the fans of the team.

*runs away
- PT21

In choosing BPA in the draft, you aren't losing a player to another team. You didn't clarify how the fans were wrong. I guess we should just take your word for it. You are also not considering other factors. Such as the related costs to replacing a top 4 NHL defenseman. Whether that's in increased cap space or in assets you have to trade to get that replacement.

I've seen the external unbiased/experts you have used in the past. I think you, who happens to also be a fan, have an issue in who you declare an expert and have poor judgement on what is an expert opinion.

In choosing BPA in the draft, you aren't losing a player to another team. You didn't clarify how the fans were wrong. I guess we should just take your word for it. You are also not considering other factors. Such as the related costs to replacing a top 4 NHL defenseman. Whether that's in increased cap space or in assets you have to trade to get that replacement.

I've seen the external unbiased/experts you have used in the past. I think you, who happens to also be a fan, have an issue in who you declare an expert and have poor judgement on what is an expert opinion.
- MJL

Well, in believing we had a home grown stud D for years to come.

Well, in believing we had a home grown stud D for years to come.


- PT21

You're immune from misgivings as a fan though, right? How many experts had the same opinion as the fans did at the time?

Imo, unless you are a true contender for the season, you always make the trade in which you get the much better player. For the same reason you choose BPA in a draft irrespective of need. The excess value you get will more than pay off down the line. Thus, we have many centers and no #1LD, but if you get McDavid for Provorov, you make that trade, and I am sure you agree.

But I was not really talking about making that particular trade which is not on the table anyway. I was just pointing out how wrong fans can be about their own prospects, in a specific way.

*And if I may humbly point out, how the position where they were drafted and external unbiased/expert assessments tend to provide a far more accurate picture on average than from the fans of the team.

*runs away
- PT21

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