Uses stats to pump up the PK and the D but OPEN YOUR EYES...cant make this poop up
- THE BLACK HAND

Oh look, the office clown is back and once again the discussion is over his head. Maybe you should try to learn to read, so then you can read a book on the difference between team stats and advanced metrics ...

Both Sanheim and Ristolainen have played well individually and as a pairing for about 4 games now. Hopefully that is a trend that continues. However in previous games, both were mediocre to bad. You and I even agreed on one game where Sanheim was really bad.
- MJL

I agree. But that wasn’t the point. Right now based off analytics Risto is the better player. Using only stats/analytics is misleading is all I’m saying.

Again, I guarantee you there no such defensive system at any good level of hockey that advocates players chasing other players all over the ice! That is why there is such a thing as defensive structure and why coaches coach players to be disciplined in their structure. When one player leaves there primary area of responsibility, it causes the other players on the ice who see it to react, and sometimes these reactions cause breeches in the structure, which lead to high danger chances against. If you don't understand this, I don't know what else to say.
- jd250

This only shows your ignorance. You claim to watch the games. Again, as I have explained to you previously to no avail. The NHL is not pee wee hockey. The Flyers play man to man principles in the defensive zone. As you watch the Flyers play, you will repeatedly see that in that situation, you will see the defenseman follow the puck carrier behind the net. That is their system. If you actually paid attention, you would know this. As if Braun, a veteran of 700+ NHL games didn't know that he was supposed to stop and stay in his area of responsibility. LOL

It doesn't matter if it's in discussion of players, the PK or defensive zone coverage. You offer no facts and all rhetoric.

I agree. But that wasn’t the point. Right now based off analytics Risto is the better player. Using only stats/analytics is misleading is all I’m saying.
- Peter Richards

I think they're pretty equal right now. I have no problem giving Risto an edge in you want to. He's played well lately.

How bad does the Flyers PP have to get for Therrien to be fired? They got rid of Voracek and Ghost who are piling up PP points for their new teams, meanwhile the Flyers struggle to even get set up and Yandle looks a shell of what he was in October. I like Atkinson a lot overall, but he has zero PP points all season. Without Jake to carry the puck into the zone anymore, they could really use Sanheim's skating ability with the man advantage.
- Feanor

Agree the loss of Voracek and Ghost hasn’t helped PP but there is certainly enough talent to have at least an average PP. Therrien should go but I doubt he will because of his relationship with AV and also who would be available now to coach the PP? Bring Joe Mullen out of retirement? It’s a real dilemma.

I think they're pretty equal right now. I have no problem giving Risto an edge in you want to. He's played well lately.
- MJL

Yup hope it continues. I do think it helps that he doesn’t have to pull as much as he did in buffalo.

In a different note. Mace web is better than I thought he’s be.

And liked Scott playing with g last night.

AntSanPhilly coming in hot on the Flyers organization, can't say he is wrong. Comcast is soulless.....

Agree the loss of Voracek and Ghost hasn’t helped PP but there is certainly enough talent to have at least an average PP. Therrien should go but I doubt he will because of his relationship with AV and also who would be available now to coach the PP? Bring Joe Mullen out of retirement? It’s a real dilemma.
- Djapana

I'm beginning to sour on the entire coaching staff, not just the assistants.

Tied for 11th. Ill take that all season.

I am much more concerned about the PP.
- MBFlyerfan

Their current PK standing is all propped up by goaltending. In terms of giving up chances they've actually been one of the worst units in the league so far.

The people behind both units could really use a swift kick in the pants.

AntSanPhilly coming in hot on the Flyers organization, can't say he is wrong. Comcast is soulless.....
- Lawless18

link? what he say? do tell...

link? what he say? do tell...
- hello it's me 2050

https://www.crossingbroad...flyers-2-flames-1-ot.html

So. Weird question. Everyone craps on risto. But looking at the numbers he is above sanhiem in a lot of categories. I guess Travis is less than mediocre?

Metrics are a tool. Not the end all say all.
- Peter Richards

Curious what the numbers say on Hayes goal for Risto and Travis. Risto got the assist, but what do the metrics say on that play. It was all risto, and travis was a bystander for that. But in the end, do they get the same corsi and whatever other metrics are used?

Agree the loss of Voracek and Ghost hasn’t helped PP but there is certainly enough talent to have at least an average PP. Therrien should go but I doubt he will because of his relationship with AV and also who would be available now to coach the PP? Bring Joe Mullen out of retirement? It’s a real dilemma.
- Djapana

the dumping in of the puck even on the power play is kind of baffling. no one wants to skate the puck into the offensive zone. it's annoying to watch.

Ellis on LTIR per Capfriendly....Is this necessary to bring up York?

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2021/11/a-big-night-that-should-have-been-bigger-thoughts-after-flyers-2-flames-1-ot.html
- Lawless18

Much about nothing. He's being an idiot here.

Curious what the numbers say on Hayes goal for Risto and Travis. Risto got the assist, but what do the metrics say on that play. It was all risto, and travis was a bystander for that. But in the end, do they get the same corsi and whatever other metrics are used?
- bradster

Didn’t look up the individual game just the totals between the two for the season. Currently in almost all of the categories that are highlighted for importance, risto has the advantage on sanhiem.

Ellis on LTIR per Capfriendly....Is this necessary to bring up York?
- Bayareaflyer

No, Seeler was up on emergency loan.

Didn’t look up the individual game just the totals between the two for the season. Currently in almost all of the categories that are highlighted for importance, risto has the advantage on sanhiem.
- Peter Richards

Sanheim has the advantage in GF%.

There are number of categories where Keith Yandle has the advantage.

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2021/11/a-big-night-that-should-have-been-bigger-thoughts-after-flyers-2-flames-1-ot.html
- Lawless18

was expecting a lot worse....the snider flyers are dead.

Sanheim has the advantage in GF%.

There are number of categories where Keith Yandle has the advantage.
- MJL

https://www.naturalstattr...&td=&tgp=410&lines=single



So others can look too. What about CF%, HDCA, SF v. SA, FF%, SF%?

Yandle wasn't part of the conversation. Way more Offensive zone starts. But it also proves my point.

Much about nothing. He's being an idiot here.
- MJL

Agree, but i also have to agree with aside from Gritty and his social media presence, our marketing and promotion have been pretty poor. That bathroom commercial was pretty cringe.

I’m just pointing out what I see in Risto so far….I would suggest he looks like a very solid 2nd pairing guy so far. Yes he has had some ups and downs in his career. As many like to point to some hideous analytics you also can’t ignore his considerable attributes. You simply can’t ignore his offensive numbers, you simply can’t ignore his well above average physical game or his skating. I will never suggest he’s elite or a true number one, but guys around here were running him out of town after 2 games…some questioned his hockey IQ, while not elite is still above average from what I’ve watched…
As you say , I to am keeping an open mind. But I do like what I’ve seen.
- landros 2

What do we look for in a 2nd pairing guy on an ostensibly contending team? For whom another team has given up serviceable 3rd pairing guy on a cheap contract and a 1st?

Discipline and dependability.

When the going gets tough, he will have to play tight, defensive coverage shift after shift, and play the %s. He will have to be in position constantly. All the other stuff: physicality and offense are bonuses. Its great if he has them, but they cannot compensate for the lapses in the former.

Can he play such a game when the games get tighter? We will all see, I guess.

not interesting. some amusing thumbnail avatars I admit but more would be wasted effort. most discussion devolves into "she said, she said" here. quite b!tchy at times, especially for supposed dudes.
- OldBay

I was just noting that you "peruse" the "commentariat" (which is a fancy word for commenters in this context), and not the commentary itself.

I’m just happy he’s catching the ball…(for the most part).

- landros 2

He is doing more than that. Kid is consistently getting open! He has great smoothness, great deception, great route running, great hands. Reminds me of Marvin Harrison. Apparently great work ethic too.

Fingers crossed and all that.

When will Ellis's surgery be announced? Anyone hear how long Brown will be out? Guess lindblom goes right back in. not a bad thing