Yes, because Hextall drafted TK so we have to keep him, right?
- jd250

LOL. More embarrassment for you. It's a bad idea because you're premise is trading a younger player for an older player that is in the final year of his contract, has been steadily declining and is a pending UFA.

I keep going back to asking why Nashville traded Ellis.
- MJL

Tell us Cliff? Could be many reasons no? Not hard to see see why they did it and no the injuries are not the main reason.

Yes, because I have seen Frost play against NHL players and he is not good. I am willing to give him another shot at it because I really do want him to succeed for the sake of the Flyers, but right now I am not all that confident Frost will succeed.


- jd250

Frost in his short time in the NHL actually showed a good deal of promise. I can show you a you tube video that is pretty long which shows the quality plays he has made and the talent and skill that he has. Are you on the fence with Frost?

As far as O'Brien, I get to watch him play in Hockey East, which is very good competition. MANY players from BU and teams from this league have stepped right into the NHL and became impact players, Joel Farabee is a recent example. Therefore, when I watch O'Brien rack up points and be a threat every single time he is on the ice, I get excited about his potential. But in the end, O'Brien has to stay healthy, finish this year at BU strong, then be willing to sign with the Flyers and maybe get some games with the Phantoms before we will know if his game translates to the next level. Right now I am optimistic, and I try to add some facts to the posts that declare O'Brien a bust, because clearly he is no where near a bust right now.
- jd250

Based on your comments on Frost, your assessment of O'Brien is not something anyone should take seriously.

Currently these are the top 6 PPs in the league:

1. Edmonton 39.6
2. Nashville 28.9
3. St. Louis 28.0
4. Anaheim 26.8
5. Dallas 26.7
6. Calgary 24.6

Now obviously Edmonton's skill level is off the charts. But what about the rest of the teams in the top 6? I don't believe their skill level is that much better or better at all compared to the Flyers. So therefore, it must be something else.
- jd250

Every good PP in the history of the league has highly talented players on it that execute and make plays.

Some guy at the Athletic did a comparison of two teams comprised of the best players available and the worst players available who play the most minutes.




Nothing like having three players on a list of the worst players getting the most minutes.


- MBFlyerfan

Is this really shocking seeing who the coach is? Yet he will not make any lineup adjustments regarding those players.

The macewen "hype" was because he was a tad better than the other slop. Reality is he is a borderline 12/13. On a good team likely not in the lineup.

X amount of years later and the Flyers still cant field a formidable bottom 6.

Some guy at the Athletic did a comparison of two teams comprised of the best players available and the worst players available who play the most minutes.




Nothing like having three players on a list of the worst players getting the most minutes.


- MBFlyerfan

If that was Dom Luscz whatever you spell it, that guy doesn't know hockey at all. He knows how to read stats. Thats it, similar to someone else on this site

If that was Dom Luscz whatever you spell it, that guy doesn't know hockey at all. He knows how to read stats. Thats it, similar to someone else on this site
- bradster

Well in this case he is correct. Those 3 players have no business being in an nhl lineup everyday.

LOL. More embarrassment for you. It's a bad idea because you're premise is trading a younger player for an older player that is in the final year of his contract, has been steadily declining and is a pending UFA.
- MJL

Hertl is 28 years old, he is far from an old player, in fact I would say he is in his prime right now. TK is 24 years old, 4 years younger. I would be willing to part with TK if it got us a legitimate 2C, whether that be Hertl or another player. I honestly don't know much about Hertl, I don't watch him all that often. I am not tied to getting him, just want to see something done because the Flyers are bleeding right now from lack of center depth. I am willing to call up Frost first and give him a chance.

Some guy at the Athletic did a comparison of two teams comprised of the best players available and the worst players available who play the most minutes.
- MBFlyerfan

pretty pointless exercise

Frost in his short time in the NHL actually showed a good deal of promise. I can show you a you tube video that is pretty long which shows the quality plays he has made and the talent and skill that he has. Are you on the fence with Frost?
- MJL

Not on the fence with Frost at all, I honestly don't see it with him, but I hope I am wrong.

Hertl is 28 years old, he is far from an old player, in fact I would say he is in his prime right now. TK is 24 years old, 4 years younger. I would be willing to part with TK if it got us a legitimate 2C, whether that be Hertl or another player. I honestly don't know much about Hertl, I don't watch him all that often. I am not tied to getting him, just want to see something done because the Flyers are bleeding right now from lack of center depth. I am willing to call up Frost first and give him a chance.
- jd250

Read what I said. I said older player. I would not trade Konecny when we have Frost getting real close to being ready to make the jump. Hertl is a pretty solid overall player but he is showing signs of declining and is a pending UFA

Let us know when you moneyballers are done talking about corsi so the rest of us that actually play the game can have an adult hockey conversation.
- Joe Nardone

I play the game and spend money on it- Joe Nardone

STFU

You're right about a lot of this but the reality is that there are many warning signs. This team is being propped up by goaltending. What you saw in the Boston game wasn't anything different from the majority of the season. The goaltending didn't bail them out and they got thoroughly beaten. They are in the bottom of the league in scoring chances against and scoring chances for at 5 on 5. The PP isn't good. It's the same with the PK.
- MJL

You make it sound like the Flyers are the worst team in the league, but actually they are 21st in the league in High Danger Chances Against (HDCA), not great but certainly not horrible either. Good teams below them in this metric include Florida, St. Louis, Edmonton, Toronto and Vegas. With that said, the Flyers are 6th in the league in High Danger Save Percentage (HDSV%) and 7th in the league in High Danger Goals Against (HDGA) so clearly they are getting good goal tending which every team in the league needs to be successful! The Flyers are averaging about 10 HDCA per game so far this season. If they can improve this by even 1 less HDCA per game, they are in the top 10 in the league, so my point here is don't exaggerate how bad the Flyers defense is compared to the rest of the league.

Every good PP in the history of the league has highly talented players on it that execute and make plays.
- MJL

Ok, so you are saying that each team here has much higher skilled players than the Flyers, given the Flyers PP is only at 15%?

You make it sound like the Flyers are the worst team in the league, but actually they are 21st in the league in High Danger Chances Against (HDCA), not great but certainly not horrible either. Good teams below them in this metric include Florida, St. Louis, Edmonton, Toronto and Vegas. With that said, the Flyers are 6th in the league in High Danger Save Percentage (HDSV%) and 7th in the league in High Danger Goals Against (HDGA) so clearly they are getting good goal tending which every team in the league needs to be successful! The Flyers are averaging about 10 HDCA per game so far this season. If they can improve this by even 1 less HDCA per game, they are in the top 10 in the league, so my point here is don't exaggerate how bad the Flyers defense is compared to the rest of the league.
- jd250

He'll just pick a different stat to use, thats what he does. You can make the worst team sound good by cherry picking stats

You make it sound like the Flyers are the worst team in the league, but actually they are 21st in the league in High Danger Chances Against (HDCA), not great but certainly not horrible either. Good teams below them in this metric include Florida, St. Louis, Edmonton, Toronto and Vegas. With that said, the Flyers are 6th in the league in High Danger Save Percentage (HDSV%) and 7th in the league in High Danger Goals Against (HDGA) so clearly they are getting good goal tending which every team in the league needs to be successful! The Flyers are averaging about 10 HDCA per game so far this season. If they can improve this by even 1 less HDCA per game, they are in the top 10 in the league, so my point here is don't exaggerate how bad the Flyers defense is compared to the rest of the league.
- jd250

if not for goaltending they would be one of the worst. How can you not see this as you watch the games.

See folks, there it is .. once again. MJL can't make a point without taking a shot at Risto! Its beyond comical at this stage, its simply embarrassing! Risto is THE BEST DEFENSEMAN on this team, PERIOD! You are talking about the PK and scoring chances against. Can you imagine what it would be like without Risto on this team right now?? Get a clue!!
- jd250

See folks, there it is .. once again. MJL can't make a point without taking a shot at Risto! Its beyond comical at this stage, its simply embarrassing! Risto is THE BEST DEFENSEMAN on this team, PERIOD! You are talking about the PK and scoring chances against. Can you imagine what it would be like without Risto on this team right now?? Get a clue!!
- jd250

Watching Risto live the other night, I could see what he brings when he is on the ice when Boston players were pulling up or going out of their way to avoid or go after him.

So yes, in that way he does bring something to the team that stats and advanced stats don't see. And it is something this team was sorely lacking the past few years. But to say he is the best dman on the team is patently ridiculous and I can only hope you were being sarcastic.

Watching Risto live the other night, I could see what he brings when he is on the ice when Boston players were pulling up or going out of their way to avoid or go after him.

So yes, in that way he does bring something to the team that stats and advanced stats don't see. And it is something this team was sorely lacking the past few years. But to say he is the best dman on the team is patently ridiculous and I can only hope you were being sarcastic.
- MBFlyerfan

Basing it strictly on defense, what Flyers defenseman is better than Risto? Seeler? Yandle? Braun? Sanheim? Provey? IMO, nope, Risto is better than all of them.

if not for goaltending they would be one of the worst. How can you not see this as you watch the games.
- hello it's me 2050

These stats are not dependent on each other, meaning HDSV% has nothing to do with HDCA. The Bruins for example give up the least number of HDCA, but also have one of the worst HDSV%.

Yes, it is about having the most highly skilled players. Do you honestly believe that the Flyers are passing up opportunities in the slot for a point shot? The Flyers as a team are not creating the opening.
- MJL

Talent and creating an opening are two different things. You don't need talent to make the defense think you are looking towards the net. The Flyers are settling for the perimeter on the PP.

Basing it strictly on defense, what Flyers defenseman is better than Risto? Seeler? Yandle? Braun? Sanheim? Provey? IMO, nope, Risto is better than all of them.
- jd250

If true there lies the problem. If he is your best then the team is in trouble.

Hopefully he continues to be a "beast" to recoup that 1st rd pick. Ghost thriving in Arizona....

These stats are not dependent on each other, meaning HDSV% has nothing to do with HDCA. The Bruins for example give up the least number of HDCA, but also have one of the worst HDSV%.
- jd250

none of that changes my statement in any way.

I keep going back to asking why Nashville traded Ellis.
- MJL

That’s a good question. They re-signed Ekholm to an extension for similar money as Ellis’ deal and chose to move Ellis instead. Since most experts would rate Ellis as the better player, it makes little sense unless the Preds had concerns about Ellis’ durability going forward

Basing it strictly on defense, what Flyers defenseman is better than Risto? Seeler? Yandle? Braun? Sanheim? Provey? IMO, nope, Risto is better than all of them.
- jd250

Define defense? If you mean physically engaging an opponent and winning that battle than Risto has been great. If you mean limiting the opponents opportunities to score than Risto has not been great. Braun and Provy have been better.