The Flyers are 30th in the league in HDCA. We'll start there. You did counts, which you can't do because some teams have played more games, some less.

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- MJL

Ok, I did counts and you did rates, so that is the difference. But what I don't understand the Flyers have given up 162 HDCA in 16 games, so that averages slightly higher than 10 HDCAs per game. However when I look at the rate is 12.97/60 which pushes them to 30th in the league. This is a big difference. I am looking at only 5 v 5 in both cases, so I really don't understand why the rate is so much higher than the simply average. Do you?

EDIT: never mind figured it out. You have to take the total minutes, 750 for the Flyers and divide by 60 to get 12.5, then take 162 HDCA / 12.5 to the HDCA/60 which is 12.96, almost 3 goals higher than just a simple division.

Just looked up Jay Obriens stats. 4points in 6 games as a 22 year old in college.
Don't think we should be counting on anything from this 1st round pick.
If he turns into something serviceable, bonus, but not counting on it.

How’d that work out for Nashville lol
- ClaudeFather

How is it working out for us?

You laugh but Cody Glass is a young player playing in the minors. The same excuses being made for Frost can be made for Glass.

Just looked up Jay Obriens stats. 4points in 6 games as a 22 year old in college.
Don't think we should be counting on anything from this 1st round pick.
If he turns into something serviceable, bonus, but not counting on it.
- bradster

hopefully he test free agency and walks....

Just looked up Jay Obriens stats. 4points in 6 games as a 22 year old in college.
Don't think we should be counting on anything from this 1st round pick.
If he turns into something serviceable, bonus, but not counting on it.
- bradster

Another complete bust for a 1st rounder.

I didn't say the best defenseman in the league. I said one of the best defenseman in the league. That's the statement that you made. Ristolainen does not add what they really needed and the fact that he doesn't, is part of the reason why the Flyers struggle in a number of areas.
- MJL

So you're saying in your opinion the Flyers didn't need to have a more physical presence in the back end? They were just fine, tough enough, consistently winning battles below the goal line, etc.? You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine, and IMO the Flyers needed a defenseman like Risto.

Now, get ready to have your mind blown with a simple metric comparison. I think you and a lot of people would say that Provorov is the Flyers best defenseman. Well have a look at this:

TGA XGA
Provorov 14 11.2
Risto 13 10.4

This says that Risto has been on the ice for LESS goals against than Provorov, and Risto's Expected Goals Against (given where shots come from for and against while the player is on the ice at even strength) is LESS also. For a player that is the cause of so many problems for the Flyers, how can you possible explain this away?

Just looked up Jay Obriens stats. 4points in 6 games as a 22 year old in college.
Don't think we should be counting on anything from this 1st round pick.
If he turns into something serviceable, bonus, but not counting on it.
- bradster

Have you watched any games?

Have you watched any games?
- jd250

what do your sources say about JOB and signing with the flyers?

How is it working out for us?

You laugh but Cody Glass is a young player playing in the minors. The same excuses being made for Frost can be made for Glass.
- SuperSchennBros

A trade that’s not working out for anyone. A young player that was given up on by a team traded for another guy in the same scenario. No thanks on a guy like that

what do your sources say about JOB and signing with the flyers?
- hello it's me 2050

I never asked anyone about that so I really don't have an idea what JOB plans to do. But I would hope that after this season with BU both he and the Flyers would want to sign and maybe get him in some LHV games before their season ends. Regarding his stats this season, JOB played two games and then got injured and missed the next 9 games. He didn't score in those first 2 games but he generated a lot of shots and chances. He has come back for 4 games so far and has a ton of shots and 4 points. He has looked good in a few of the recent games I have watched. I feel I have to remind everyone here that JOB was always going to need more time to develop because of his size and the quality of competition he had at his high school, so I would not consider him a bust just yet. I think you all should continue to watch him this season at BU and see how he does, and lets hope he continues with the development path he has been on recently.

Have you watched any games?
- jd250

nope, not at all. I hope your right though.
Ive learned from some posters you dont need to actually watch

I never asked anyone about that so I really don't have an idea what JOB plans to do. But I would hope that after this season with BU both he and the Flyers would want to sign and maybe get him in some LHV games before their season ends. Regarding his stats this season, JOB played two games and then got injured and missed the next 9 games. He didn't score in those first 2 games but he generated a lot of shots and chances. He has come back for 4 games so far and has a ton of shots and 4 points. He has looked good in a few of the recent games I have watched. I feel I have to remind everyone here that JOB was always going to need more time to develop because of his size and the quality of competition he had at his high school, so I would not consider him a bust just yet. I think you all should continue to watch him this season at BU and see how he does, and lets hope he continues with the development path he has been on recently.
- jd250

you mean the lack of competi0ton !!!

you mean the lack of competi0ton !!!
- hello it's me 2050

Yes .. it was not at the same level of other schools, of course that didn't hurt Tony Amonte and Jeromy Roenick who both came from the same high school.

Yes .. it was not at the same level of other schools, of course that didn't hurt Tony Amonte and Jeromy Roenick who both came from the same high school.
- jd250

It was weak. Didn't even play a lot of the top schools in the NE prep league I do not believe.

It was weak. Didn't even play a lot of the top schools in the NE prep league I do not believe.
- hello it's me 2050

Right now JOB is holding his own at BU, the same college Joel Farabee scored 17G and 19A in 37 games his freshman season. I think its fair to compare JOB this season to Farabee's season to get a better idea of where he is.

Yes .. it was not at the same level of other schools, of course that didn't hurt Tony Amonte and Jeromy Roenick who both came from the same high school.
- jd250

In the ‘80s!

nope, not at all. I hope your right though.
Ive learned from some posters you dont need to actually watch
- bradster

Believe me when I tell you it hurts when I see the Flyers miss on a high draft pick, because I really want the Flyers to win and missing like this sets them back years. I was really sad, and to be honest angry, that Patrick did not work out. The same can be said about Rubtsov, and Morin. I will be sad if Frost and JOB do not also work out because that means the Flyers literally have no centers in their system that can come in and realistically make an impact. This would be devastating if it turns out to be true, none of us on this forum should be hoping for this!

Believe me when I tell you it hurts when I see the Flyers miss on a high draft pick, because I really want the Flyers to win and missing like this sets them back years. I was really sad, and to be honest angry, that Patrick did not work out. The same can be said about Rubtsov, and Morin. I will be sad if Frost and JOB do not also work out because that means the Flyers literally have no centers in their system that can come in and realistically make an impact. This would be devastating if it turns out to be true, none of us on this forum should be hoping for this!
- jd250

dont see JOB as a center in the NHL at all.

I play the game and spend money on it- Joe Nardone

STFU
- THE BLACK HAND

Good then you understand what it is like to fly down the left wing and see a monster in your peripheral who wants to remove you from your spine.

You get how that can impact your mindset. Your decision making. How impactful that can be especially considering that monster can flat out fly and will close in on you quickly if you attempt to take him wide.

You understand since you play what that cross check can feel like right behind your ear or on the side near your kidneys while in front of the net. You get that.

You also understand why there is that inherit fud opponents feel when being on the ice against that kinda player.

You also understand that no analytic can properly represent the impact that kind of a player can have on an opponent. You simply can’t capture that in a stat.

Also how then the opponent must react, which usually means their 4th line runs around taking penalties.

If you play the game and watch them in person that is perfect. Then you get it.

There are some on here that simply look at stats after the game and then act like they are experts. Act like those stats reflect some type of factual support behind their agenda.

For me, I enjoy playing, watching the game and formulating my own opinion about a player. I don’t need to use outdated corsi metrics or analytics to judge a player. I think analytics have their place. I do, but there is a reason why scouts are in the crowd. Human beings using theirs eyes and intellect to judge players. Ya see, if analytics were that important those scouts would be unemployed, now wouldn’t they?

7 GMs in the nhl were willing to give up more than a 1st for Risto. I think a 1st and 2nd for him was a borderline overpayment. Haag irrelevant as Seeler is prob a better player for half the price.

Regardless, since we have been reminded countless times how bad the analytics were on Risto I suppose those GMs simply just don’t put too much stock in that kinda thing at times. Guessing those GMs are pretty smart and have access the every analytic known to man.

Good then you understand what it is like to fly down the left wing and see a monster in your peripheral who wants to remove you from your spine.

You get how that can impact your mindset. Your decision making. How impactful that can be especially considering that monster can flat out fly and will close in on you quickly if you attempt to take him wide.

You understand since you play what that cross check can feel like right behind your ear or on the side near your kidneys while in front of the net. You get that.

You also understand why there is that inherit fud opponents feel when being on the ice against that kinda player.

You also understand that no analytic can properly represent the impact that kind of a player can have on an opponent. You simply can’t capture that in a stat.

Also how then the opponent must react, which usually means their 4th line runs around taking penalties.

If you play the game and watch them in person that is perfect. Then you get it.

There are some on here that simply look at stats after the game and then act like they are experts. Act like those stats reflect some type of factual support behind their agenda.

For me, I enjoy playing, watching the game and formulating my own opinion about a player. I don’t need to use outdated corsi metrics or analytics to judge a player. I think analytics have their place. I do, but there is a reason why scouts are in the crowd. Human beings using theirs eyes and intellect to judge players. Ya see, if analytics were that important those scouts would be unemployed, now wouldn’t they?

7 GMs in the nhl were willing to give up more than a 1st for Risto. I think a 1st and 2nd for him was a borderline overpayment. Haag irrelevant as Seeler is prob a better player for half the price.

Regardless, since we have been reminded countless times how bad the analytics were on Risto I suppose those GMs simply just don’t put too much stock in that kinda thing at times. Guessing those GMs are pretty smart and have access the every analytic known to man.
- Joe Nardone

Sort of, i am that monster

How bad do I say that he is? I say he is a mediocre top 4 NHL defenseman. If he would play consistently, he would be better but to this point he has not. In my opinion he's played 5 good games this season. That's not very consistent. I also think the idea that players are avoiding him is being drastically overblown. If that was true, he wouldn't be able to lay the hits that he does. Bergeron didn't try to avoid him when Ristolianen hit him late. I see teams trying to take advantage of his over aggressiveness in going for hits rather than avoiding him. Of course, no player is going take a hit if they don't have to.
- MJL

I also said they were actively going after him. He gets opposing players off their game in that way as well.

I also said they were actively going after him. He gets opposing players off their game in that way as well.
- MBFlyerfan

That was obvious even to my 8 yr old watching with me when we played the bruins. Seen it happen usually every game.

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- hello it's me 2050

Risto...is good? Or is it just Sanheim is a superstar and propping him up

Risto...is good? Or is it just Sanheim is a superstar and propping him up
- ClaudeFather

what is the common denominator....