People want to blame the prior GM and current GM for this but in reality it’s the ownership. They weren’t willing to do a rebuild the right way. Hextall and the rebuild on the fly left them scraps, a good goalie and then middling talent. CF went win now, only thing ownership would accept, it was far too early. But in reality this team wasn’t 2 years away it was probably 5 at the least, we don’t have a single prospect worth mentioning. This organization has gone to sh!t and it isn’t changing anytime soon.
- ClaudeFather

Of course ownership is ultimately to blame, but both GMs deserve their share of blame as well. Hextal had the right idea but failed to draft a real star, brought in poor supporting veteran players, left a young defense with very little veteran support, created a goaltending mess, and hired a coach who wasn’t ready for the NHL. Management then brings in a guy with a track record of mediocrity and gives him the ultimatum to spend to the limit and win now. CF makes moves that should improve the team, but they seem to just miss the mark leaving the team jammed up by the cap. I was all in on CFs moves. I’ve been around long enough to know that he wasn’t going to turn this team into a SC contender, but I thought it would atleast be fun to watch the Flyers again. Guess I was wrong.

Look at this offensive incompetence. It's hard to fathom how awful this team has been offensively.

Farabee 1 point last 13 games
Lindblom 1 point in 15 games
Van Riemsdyk 2 goals in 16 games
Macewan/Brown/Thompson 3 points total in a combined 36 games played
Laughton 4 points in 16 games

This more than half of your regular forwards literally doing (frank)ing nothing over the course of 20% of the schedule.
- PLindbergh31

Farabee s drop off is most shocking. I thought he was poised for a big year. Lindblom doesn’t shock me. I hope he can eventually get back contributing like he did before cancer but he may not ever.

Of course ownership is ultimately to blame, but both GMs deserve their share of blame as well. Hextal had the right idea but failed to draft a real star, brought in poor supporting veteran players, left a young defense with very little veteran support, created a goaltending mess, and hired a coach who wasn’t ready for the NHL. Management then brings in a guy with a track record of mediocrity and gives him the ultimatum to spend to the limit and win now. CF makes moves that should improve the team, but they seem to just miss the mark leaving the team jammed up by the cap. I was all in on CFs moves. I’ve been around long enough to know that he wasn’t going to turn this team into a SC contender, but I thought it would atleast be fun to watch the Flyers again. Guess I was wrong.
- Dkos

I’d love to see Hayes and Ellis healthy and in the lineup to see if that fixes anything. Need to see exactly what we have. We all know how bad they were when niskanen retired. Without Ellis we’re struggling too.

The One silver lining this year is the goaltending. Hart looks to have found his game again and I couldn’t be happier. You can build around that.

I’d love to see Hayes and Ellis healthy and in the lineup to see if that fixes anything. Need to see exactly what we have. We all know how bad they were when niskanen retired. Without Ellis we’re struggling too.

The One silver lining this year is the goaltending. Hart looks to have found his game again and I couldn’t be happier. You can build around that.
- Hextall271

just another 2 years away. They have no core that strikes any fear in opposing teams.

Farabee s drop off is most shocking. I thought he was poised for a big year. Lindblom doesn’t shock me. I hope he can eventually get back contributing like he did before cancer but he may not ever.
- Hextall271

The bottom line is there just isn't enough scoring depth on this team to compete. They have a decent spot in the standing thus far and it's due to the elite level goaltending they have received. What happens when that levels off?

I'd be more surprised if they made the playoffs, then if they finished dead last in the division.

I didn't see much of the game, so I'm basing my thoughts on last night's game from what others are saying. I did see a highlight of the Brooooins 4th goal and I thought it was rather weak. Sanheim had him cut off and you can't give up a short side goal there. Other successful teams play their #1's all the time(Tampa...etc.) and the schedule isn't that compressed yet. I stand by what I said and think it was a mistake. I don't know what help you see on the way cause I see no bonafide young players in the pipeline. I see all these other teams(Devils and Rags to name two of them) incorporating young talent into their respective lineups and I see nada from the Flyers.
- Phillywhiteout

Actually Sanheim didn't have him cut off. Sanheim made one too many cross overs and took a bad angle and was too flat to get a stick on the shot. Frost, York, Zamula, Allison.

Of course ownership is ultimately to blame, but both GMs deserve their share of blame as well. Hextal had the right idea but failed to draft a real star, brought in poor supporting veteran players, left a young defense with very little veteran support, created a goaltending mess, and hired a coach who wasn’t ready for the NHL. Management then brings in a guy with a track record of mediocrity and gives him the ultimatum to spend to the limit and win now. CF makes moves that should improve the team, but they seem to just miss the mark leaving the team jammed up by the cap. I was all in on CFs moves. I’ve been around long enough to know that he wasn’t going to turn this team into a SC contender, but I thought it would atleast be fun to watch the Flyers again. Guess I was wrong.
- Dkos

So what does that tell you? Who is the constant? G. Let him go!

I’d love to see Hayes and Ellis healthy and in the lineup to see if that fixes anything. Need to see exactly what we have. We all know how bad they were when niskanen retired. Without Ellis we’re struggling too.

The One silver lining this year is the goaltending. Hart looks to have found his game again and I couldn’t be happier. You can build around that.
- Hextall271

Definitely they’d be a much better team with Ellis and Hayes healthy and playing well. They still wouldn’t be a real SC contender, but you’d be able to watch them without feeling disgusted.

So what does that tell you? Who is the constant? G. Let him go!
- Fopa21

Ha ha ha, that’s just silly. Honestly, I feel for the guy. He’s such a talented player. Too bad his been stuck on this stinker of a team for the last 10 years.

The bottom line is there just isn't enough scoring depth on this team to compete. They have a decent spot in the standing thus far and it's due to the elite level goaltending they have received. What happens when that levels off?

I'd be more surprised if they made the playoffs, then if they finished dead last in the division.
- PLindbergh31

I honestly think they have a better chance of finishing last in this division than making the playoffs at this point. Look at the bottom of the division....the Pens and Isles can easily pass them. The Devils and Rangers have some good young players contributing and they also have SPEED. I just don't know which team the Flyers could finish ahead of at this point.

Definitely they’d be a much better team with Ellis and Hayes healthy and playing well. They still wouldn’t be a real SC contender, you’d be able to watch them without feeling disgusted.
- Dkos

Yeah. I was hoping to see them generally heathy at the beginning of the season so that we could see what they really are. Doesn’t look like that will happen now until January maybe. I don’t think they’re a contender but I can see them making the playoffs still. Over and above all our problems, the div is just killer. I mean, jersey goes into Tampa and takes 2 points?

Not bad for a player that is washed up.
- Peter Richards

His point production is fine and he was good last night. He was the beneficiary of hot shooting teammates early in the season where he garnered a lot of points. In terms of being a legit top 9 center and being able to drive play and set up teammates, yea he is washed up. His play and the center play overall is a big reason why the Flyers are a low scoring team and have trouble generating chances.

Ha ha ha, that’s just silly. Honestly, I feel for the guy. He’s such a talented player. Too bad his been stuck on this stinker of a team for the last 10 years.
- Dkos

Do they stink because of his lackadaisical complacency tho. You said yourself GM’s, coaches, & core bas changed

His point production is fine and he was good last night. He was the beneficiary of hot shooting teammates early in the season where he garnered a lot of points. In terms of being a legit top 9 center and being able to drive play and set up teammates, yea he is washed up. His play and the center play overall is a big reason why the Flyers are a low scoring team and have trouble generating chances.
- MJL

Frost & York need to be up immediately. Let the kids play

Of course ownership is ultimately to blame, but both GMs deserve their share of blame as well. Hextal had the right idea but failed to draft a real star, brought in poor supporting veteran players, left a young defense with very little veteran support, created a goaltending mess, and hired a coach who wasn’t ready for the NHL. Management then brings in a guy with a track record of mediocrity and gives him the ultimatum to spend to the limit and win now. CF makes moves that should improve the team, but they seem to just miss the mark leaving the team jammed up by the cap. I was all in on CFs moves. I’ve been around long enough to know that he wasn’t going to turn this team into a SC contender, but I thought it would atleast be fun to watch the Flyers again. Guess I was wrong.
- Dkos

agree with most of this, but i think they are fun to watch. OR more fun than in years. They have some fight in them which they havent had since homers days. At least its more entertaining. LAst couple of years, they pretty much turtled to physica teams, and you could see it hurt their pride they way they played

The 5 years of trying to get 200 foot players who excel in nothing, and had zero push back is over, at least if we dont have the skill to compete, its more entaining.
Dont think anyone is taking jvr next year so guessing a buyout is coming. Thats a killer contract. $7M with no impact

agree with most of this, but i think they are fun to watch. OR more fun than in years. They have some fight in them which they havent had since homers days. At least its more entertaining. LAst couple of years, they pretty much turtled to physica teams, and you could see it hurt their pride they way they played

The 5 years of trying to get 200 foot players who excel in nothing, and had zero push back is over, at least if we dont have the skill to compete, its more entaining.
Dont think anyone is taking jvr next year so guessing a buyout is coming. Thats a killer contract. $7M with no impact
- bradster

There is more push back this year. I also expect jvr gone especially if this play keeps up.

If Hayes is struggling mentally that would be understandable. If that was the case I'd assume he would be on LTIR already. He appeared to injure himself in Dallas.

The lack of scoring is something I knew would be an issue with this team. Far too many streaky players. Averaging less than 2 goals per game over the last 11 games is absurdly inept.
- PLindbergh31

I think Ellis is on LTIR, or was on it. I’d like to see them abuse the LTIR system if possible, but our situation is far different then Tampa’s.

Farabee s drop off is most shocking. I thought he was poised for a big year. Lindblom doesn’t shock me. I hope he can eventually get back contributing like he did before cancer but he may not ever.
- Hextall271

It isn’t shocking at all. Players work their asses off to get that pay day. He got it and has to find something else to play for.

Do they stink because of his lackadaisical complacency tho. You said yourself GM’s, coaches, & core bas changed
- Fopa21

No, they don’t stink because of Giroux. He may not be a great captain; whatever that means, but he’s been an excellent player. He was the best player on the team so they made him captain. Who else should be captain? It’s a crime how under appreciated he is in this town.

I think Ellis is on LTIR, or was on it. I’d like to see them abuse the LTIR system if possible, but our situation is far different then Tampa’s.
- Sir_Robot_Farts

It's not possible.

agree with most of this, but i think they are fun to watch. OR more fun than in years. They have some fight in them which they havent had since homers days. At least its more entertaining. LAst couple of years, they pretty much turtled to physica teams, and you could see it hurt their pride they way they played
- bradster

Really? The first few games maybe. I just find them so hard to watch. They get trapped in their own end forever. They can’t move the puck out of their end as a team. I want to see quick crisp SHORT passes. Feet moving. I get winging it around the boards to a covered guy, ugly disjointed mucking to get it out of the zone and then dumping it in as soon as they get over the blue line so they can go off for a change.

No, they don’t stink because of Giroux. He may not be a great captain; whatever that means, but he’s been an excellent player. He was the best player on the team so they made him captain. Who else should be captain? It’s a crime how under appreciated he is in this town.
- Dkos

“Whatever that means” look at the last decade. That’s what that means

Look at this offensive incompetence. It's hard to fathom how awful this team has been offensively.

Farabee 1 point last 13 games
Lindblom 1 point in 15 games
Van Riemsdyk 2 goals in 16 games
Macewan/Brown/Thompson 3 points total in a combined 36 games played
Laughton 4 points in 16 games

This more than half of your regular forwards literally doing (frank)ing nothing over the course of 20% of the schedule.
- PLindbergh31

So we can put to rest that the Hayes contract was a bad signing from day one. You don’t trade for a player like Ellis for youth while he’s on the wrong side of 30 and cannot stay healthy. Or not favorite, the fact Laughton is waaaaaassy better than Brassard.

I think we have to stop overrating our players.

Look at this offensive incompetence. It's hard to fathom how awful this team has been offensively.

Farabee 1 point last 13 games
Lindblom 1 point in 15 games
Van Riemsdyk 2 goals in 16 games
Macewan/Brown/Thompson 3 points total in a combined 36 games played
Laughton 4 points in 16 games

This more than half of your regular forwards literally doing (frank)ing nothing over the course of 20% of the schedule.
- PLindbergh31

So we can put to rest that the Hayes contract was a bad signing from day one. You don’t trade for a player like Ellis for youth while he’s on the wrong side of 30 and cannot stay healthy. Or my favorite, the fact Laughton is waaaaaaaaay better than Brassard.

I think we have to stop overrating our players.

I’d also like to add that Provorov isn’t even remotely as bad on the PP as he’s made out to be. He has trouble keeping the puck in at the blue line early in his career but has cleaned up this area.

“Whatever that means” look at the last decade. That’s what that means
- Fopa21

Guess we disagree