Really? The first few games maybe. I just find them so hard to watch. They get trapped in their own end forever. They can’t move the puck out of their end as a team. I want to see quick crisp SHORT passes. Feet moving. I get winging it around the boards to a covered guy, ugly disjointed mucking to get it out of the zone and then dumping it in as soon as they get over the blue line so they can go off for a change. - Dkos
Yeah. There’s a lot of just survive this shift and not enough drive the play. That kills you over time. As I said. I get it when you’re winning a game on the road or something but not all the time.
So we can put to rest that the Hayes contract was a bad signing from day one. You don’t trade for a player like Ellis for youth while he’s on the wrong side of 30 and cannot stay healthy. Or my favorite, the fact Laughton is waaaaaaaaay better than Brassard.
I think we have to stop overrating our players.
I’d also like to add that Provorov isn’t even remotely as bad on the PP as he’s made out to be. He has trouble keeping the puck in at the blue line early in his career but has cleaned up this area. - SuperSchennBros
See the players we traded for him. Patrick is injured and out. Byers was banged up and has been a scratch multiple times. Is also suspect when it comes to injuries. Agree about overrating.
And agree. Don’t understand the brass hate. He wasn’t signed to be our 2 c. But has at least put up points. Another said he is why they have been struggling on offense. But he is only on one line. What about the rest.
Glad to see Frost is making progress.
Hope he can come up and be a catalyst for an offense that is well _______!!!
Whoever posted the Lemieux comment about dumping the puck to Tocchet was awesome insight indicator of Flyer Culture.
We have not rethought the approach or philosophy to attack
since the 80's is scary.
Dude, the culture was changed in the off season. All the problem players were moved out. The GM made all the right moves. Brought in a shoot first forward. Brought in a defenseman who filled a need and checked all the right boxes. Shame of all is that right now, a well past his prime Brassard is the best of the bunch and making the biggest impact. - MJL
Obviously, the right players weren’t brought in . Injuries to injury prone vets , players on the decline, bad contracts to Couts and maybe Farabee. The GM and coach combined, as well as players have fueled a coordinated dumpster fire . Great hockey city stuck with mediocre team
Look at this offensive incompetence. It's hard to fathom how awful this team has been offensively.
Farabee 1 point last 13 games
Lindblom 1 point in 15 games
Van Riemsdyk 2 goals in 16 games
Macewan/Brown/Thompson 3 points total in a combined 36 games played
Laughton 4 points in 16 games
This more than half of your regular forwards literally doing (frank)ing nothing over the course of 20% of the schedule. - PLindbergh31
So we can put to rest that the Hayes contract was a bad signing from day one. You don’t trade for a player like Ellis for youth while he’s on the wrong side of 30 and cannot stay healthy. Or not favorite, the fact Laughton is waaaaaassy better than Brassard.
I think we have to stop overrating our players. - SuperSchennBros
lol, ya, wed be so much better with patrick and meyers right now. We'd prob have 2 wins if myers was still here
we do have to stop over rating our players, was talking with one poster on here in the summer and he mentioned the only player he wouldve trade was jake, all the rest were too good to trade apparently lol
Glad to see Frost is making progress.
Hope he can come up and be a catalyst for an offense that is well _______!!!
Whoever posted the Lemieux comment about dumping the puck to Tocchet was awesome insight indicator of Flyer Culture.
We have not rethought the approach or philosophy to attack
since the 80's is scary. - konalover711
lol, ya, wed be so much better with patrick and meyers right now. We'd prob have 2 wins if myers was still here
we do have to stop over rating our players, was talking with one poster on here in the summer and he mentioned the only player he wouldve trade was jake, all the rest were too good to trade apparently lol - bradster
Stop overrating players. Players like Giroux. Soft, easy to play against, minimal effort
Hey Bill and everyone,
I know we spend a lot of time focusing on individual players, and the GM, and occasionally"the power play" and "penalty kill."
But I'd be interested in your thoughts on the night in, night out style of play as a team. Does it matter that our forecheck seems intentionally, well, symbolic? Wave stick to take away one passing lane, maybe, and then come back (often trailing the play)? (Sure was different in the days of Gagne.) This can't be a player issue -- it's clearly the strategy. Or our clear defensive strategy that we ALWAYS allow entry into the zone, and then try to take away shooting lanes and push forwards to the side? It's not like other teams let us into their defensive zone. But one could say our strategy is working, given our record.
Are our systems a problem or a strength?
Hey Bill and everyone,
I know we spend a lot of time focusing on individual players, and the GM, and occasionally"the power play" and "penalty kill."
But I'd be interested in your thoughts on the night in, night out style of play as a team. Does it matter that our forecheck seems intentionally, well, symbolic? Wave stick to take away one passing lane, maybe, and then come back (often trailing the play)? (Sure was different in the days of Gagne.) This can't be a player issue -- it's clearly the strategy. Or our clear defensive strategy that we ALWAYS allow entry into the zone, and then try to take away shooting lanes and push forwards to the side? It's not like other teams let us into their defensive zone. But one could say our strategy is working, given our record.
Are our systems a problem or a strength? - therabbi
It has almost nothing to do with systems. The forecheck is that way because they don’t have physical forwards. The captain sets the example of waving the stick. He averaged 18 minutes of ice time per game last season & recorded 32 total hits
It has almost nothing to do with systems. The forecheck is that way because they don’t have physical forwards. The captain sets the example of waving the stick. He averaged 18 minutes of ice time per game last season & recorded 32 total hits - Fopa21
Wow, you really hate Giroux. Gotta admit it’s kind of a nice break from the RR good/bad argument
It has almost nothing to do with systems. The forecheck is that way because they don’t have physical forwards. The captain sets the example of waving the stick. He averaged 18 minutes of ice time per game last season & recorded 32 total hits - Fopa21
Brayden Point 23 hits
Leon Draisaitl 37 hits.
Nathan McKinnon 38 hits
Mikko Rantanen 26 hits
Patrick Kane 13 hits.
Mark Scheifele 31 hits
Brayden Point 23 hits
Leon Draisaitl 37 hits.
Nathan McKinnon 38 hits
Mikko Rantanen 26 hits
Patrick Kane 13 hits.
Mark Scheifele 31 hits - MJL
Not one player on that list is a captain. Also, not just hits.
Nick Backstrom last year just 25 hits but also had 27 blocked shots.
Giroux last year 6 blocked shots & he sees plenty of pk time. Obviously blocked shots isn’t his skill set which isn’t a knock he’s a play making center the same as backstrom but by accident you have to block more than 6 shots all season. That just screams 1 dimensional/isn’t a true leader.
Again he didn’t ask for the C but it’s clear he is not C material. Time to move on in off season
Not one player on that list is a captain. Also, not just hits.
Nick Backstrom last year just 25 hits but also had 27 blocked shots.
Giroux last year 6 blocked shots & he sees plenty of pk time. Obviously blocked shots isn’t his skill set which isn’t a knock he’s a play making center the same as backstrom but by accident you have to block more than 6 shots all season. That just screams 1 dimensional/isn’t a true leader - Fopa21
So you're saying none of those players are team leaders? Your idea that Giroux isn't a good leader based on hits and blocked shots is foolish to put it politely. At the current level, I think this will be the end of our interaction.
So you're saying none of those players are team leaders? Your idea that Giroux isn't a good leader based on hits and blocked shots is foolish to put it politely. At the current level, I think this will be the end of our interaction. - MJL
Not what I said at all. They are all obviously key players on their teams with voices that matter but none of those players voices matter more than their respective captains voices do. The captain has final say. Point isn’t overriding Stamkos, MacKinnon isn’t overriding Landeskog.
My idea that G isn’t a good leader is based off of the last 8 years of mediocrity. The hits & blocked shots are merely stats for the G defenders like yourself. The captain needs to do everything unless you’re offensively insane like McDavid
So you're saying none of those players are team leaders? Your idea that Giroux isn't a good leader based on hits and blocked shots is foolish to put it politely. At the current level, I think this will be the end of our interaction. - MJL
Take aways. Last year G 19. Backstrom 33. The conpete level isn’t there but most people say he’s one of the hardest working players because they are fooled because G moves his arm fast but doesn’t actually do much.
Doesn’t hit doesn’t block shots doesn’t get many take aways. What is he doing exactly?
