its frustrating to read your posts - i am related someone who has been working every game for the last 25 years and been on the bus with the team every road game during that time. you are so far off in your "assessments" its sad.

you poke fun at the "culture change" but its a real thing and it was a problem and they addressed it.

it might be hard to hear this with your head so far up your ass
- anti-lame

he doesnt understand culture because its not part of stats. He doesnt know fundamentals of TEAM sports and how attitudes and intangibles effect performance. If theres stats that will show that, then he will understand

well then call him up before next game and put him at 2C and on the first PP unit and see what he can do. I'm not a fan of Frost but at this point, they need to put him in the lineup and see what he's got. However if he does not pan out, Fletcher needs to make another move. I'm afraid this season can slip away very quickly given the division the Flyers are in there are literally no easy games.
- jd250

They need to do what is best for Frost right now. More wheeling and dealing, yeah that's the ticket. Let the season slip away. What happened to the culture change?

Well, it’ll probably be for at least another year. The NCAA is void of bonafide stud QBs this draft. Unless you want to either trade your three 1sts for Wilson, or a little less for Watson, it appears we’re stuck with this gimmick for awhile.

Personally, I don’t want to give up 3 1sts, no matter how bad our record has been at drafting round. So many needs.
- Hesh_

There are a lot of things to like about Hurt’s. I haven’t made my mind up yet on him but I was happy with last week’s game in Denver…that’s as accurate as I’ve seen him throw. I agree with PT21 about the formula no being sustainable (run vs pass) but I to am hoping his reads start to come quicker and he become the guy they need going forward….to use those 3 1rst round picks on something other then a QB and help fill the many holes that need filling would be preferable.

Why is Frost not a player that is imminent coming for their system? Give him 10 games? LOL
Something does have to change, you're right. Stop doing what they did this past off season. You're advocating for more of the same.
- MJL

\you make it sound like this is the first year we are mediocre. This is a decade in the making. This past off season doesnt have anything to do with it

its frustrating to read your posts - i am related someone who has been working every game for the last 25 years and been on the bus with the team every road game during that time. you are so far off in your "assessments" its sad.

you poke fun at the "culture change" but its a real thing and it was a problem and they addressed it.

it might be hard to hear this with your head so far up your ass
- anti-lame

I always enjoy the ole, " I know somebody on the team" posts. Always entertaining. I'll just add you to the list. What was your original screen name?

Why is Frost not a player that is imminent coming for their system? Give him 10 games? LOL
Something does have to change, you're right. Stop doing what they did this past off season. You're advocating for more of the same.
- MJL

I don't have the same confidence in Frost as you do. Hopefully we will see him soon and see what happens.

So lets say your the sharks GM. Would you trade Hertl for JVR with retention? What kinds of picks do you add?

They may have interest in TK so that is realistic.
- hello it's me 2050

No I would not…

he doesnt understand culture because its not part of stats. He doesnt know fundamentals of TEAM sports and how attitudes and intangibles effect performance. If theres stats that will show that, then he will understand
- bradster

if you read his post history he goes out of his way to disagree with literally everyone but all of his "explanations" don't make a lick of sense. I feel like he gets talked down to regularly at his job as a grocery bagger or something.

I think a Hertl for TK trade might make sense, but only if the Flyers can extend him.
- jd250

It doesn't make sense at all.

I always enjoy the ole, " I know somebody on the team" posts. Always entertaining. I'll just add you to the list. What was your original screen name?
- MJL

so you just plug your ears and go "la la la"?

do you know how to handle being wrong?

They need to do what is best for Frost right now. More wheeling and dealing, yeah that's the ticket. Let the season slip away. What happened to the culture change?
- MJL

What a dumb post, the Flyers problems currently have nothing to do with culture, it's lack of talent on the ice!

I don't have the same confidence in Frost as you do. Hopefully we will see him soon and see what happens.
- jd250

I don't see that it's about you having confidence in him. It's about seeing what happens. Playing Frost is the first step before giving up young players for another older player. You don't have confidence in Frost but you rave about O'Brien.

if you read his post history he goes out of his way to disagree with literally everyone but all of his "explanations" don't make a lick of sense. I feel like he gets talked down to regularly at his job as a grocery bagger or something.
- anti-lame

oh rust me i know. smartest guy in the room ,and would never say he was wrong with something. His OPINION is superior to everyone he engages with. Stats rules everything.

What a dumb post, the Flyers problems currently have nothing to do with culture, it's lack of talent on the ice!
- jd250

You finally came around to the fact that this culture change idea was and is a bunch of BS. You're the guy who was pushing the culture change idea forever. Who seems to have a better idea on the pulse of the team, me or you?

You finally came around to the fact that this culture change idea was and is a bunch of BS. You're the guy who was pushing the culture change idea forever. Who seems to have a better idea on the pulse of the team, me or you?

- MJL

Is that the only 2 options lol

To be honest if I were the Sharks GM I would ask for a ton and select the best offer at the deadline. I agree JVR is not useful to a team like the Sharks. Only a contender that needs to bolster their PP might consider JVR with salary retention but he has got to play a lot better than he is right now. I got crap from some on here when I called him dead weight but currently that is exactly what he is!

I think a Hertl for TK trade might make sense, but only if the Flyers can extend him.
- jd250

JVR imo has zero value to a contender even at half retention. Especially with a year left. If he turns it up 10 notches in the net few months maybe he might. Maybe a 3 way with max retention by both teams which is unlikely.

agree with the tk scenario.

Also how safe is Fletcher? Is he really worried 3 years down. the line when he may not have a job?

They need to do what is best for Frost right now. More wheeling and dealing, yeah that's the ticket. Let the season slip away. What happened to the culture change?
- MJL

why do you keep equating culture change to results?

What a dumb post, the Flyers problems currently have nothing to do with culture, it's lack of talent on the ice!
- jd250

Lack of talent caused in part by two injuries. I will say the trades added to the teams over all skill level. Was it enough ? Hard to say. I don’t think Fletch is a magician….I mean look at what he traded…lol….
The Flyers need to have some of young guys step up and take a more active role in the teams over all play. To me the greatest asset coming in was not elite skill, but rather they were 3 lines deep…to date they’ve had some guys that just haven’t produced anywhere close to what they should.

Lack of talent caused in part by two injuries. I will say the trades added to the teams over all skill level. Was it enough ? Hard to say. I don’t think Fletch is a magician….I mean look at what he traded…lol….
The Flyers need to have some of young guys step up and take a more active role in the teams over all play. To me the greatest asset coming in was not elite skill, but rather they were 3 lines deep…to date they’ve had some guys that just haven’t produced anywhere close to what they should.
- landros 2

We were hoping farabee would take the next step, and he regressed. Allison hayes and ellis all out shouldnt be minimized, those are key pieces. We were also hoping oskar would bounce back. But maybe this is what he is, and he was just on a roll before his illness. Either way, the guys we have arent cutting it. This reminds me of having patrick, well lets hope he improves next year......so far it isnt happening. But at least they arent getting bullied, that was embarassing last year when they were. And we still have a decent record.

We were hoping farabee would take the next step, and he regressed. Allison hayes and ellis all out shouldnt be minimized, those are key pieces. We were also hoping oskar would bounce back. But maybe this is what he is, and he was just on a roll before his illness. Either way, the guys we have arent cutting it. This reminds me of having patrick, well lets hope he improves next year......so far it isnt happening. But at least they arent getting bullied, that was embarassing last year when they were. And we still have a decent record.
- bradster

dont think allison is a key piece. He is a nice depth piece. Bottom line to me is the drafting and development have failed.

That is the key to this origination being irrelevant. Not landing diff maker top end player via free agency or trade is also a huge failure.

oh rust me i know. smartest guy in the room ,and would never say he was wrong with something. His OPINION is superior to everyone he engages with. Stats rules everything.
- bradster

Hmm ... I thought this was me. Now you have done the impossible: hurt my feelings.


Joking aside, I often see guys like you, JD250, phillywhiteout, joe nardone (just posters I have seen take this pov last few days): say: "Stats don't measure everything, they don't measure intimidation, sticking up for others, team spirit etc."

This is not true, and you can just use common sense to see it is not true (no stat needed). Take Risto as an example. I will give you this: he has been way better than what I remember in Buffalo. But say he intimidates forwards near the paint, a la Pronger. Well, in that case, this will show up in stats for High Danger chances when he in on the ice. Say he intimidates forwards bringing puck up ice, a la Stevens. Well, in that case, that should lead to hurried dump-ins, and easier outs, which in turn will show up in Corsi and Rel Corsi when he is on ice.

Stats were never intended to provide everything. If winning is the journey, stats present a road map for the journey, not a Google Street View photograph of detail. If things you consider important don't show up in any of the maps, maybe they only matter in your mind, not for the journey, like the chick sunbathing on the balcony on the way.

if you read his post history he goes out of his way to disagree with literally everyone but all of his "explanations" don't make a lick of sense. I feel like he gets talked down to regularly at his job as a grocery bagger or something.
- anti-lame

The only bags he is near in his work contain thousands of currency bills .

MJL, did you ever play hockey at any level? You dodge this question regularly - it’s a simple yes or no and would really enlighten a lot of us on your “insight”

He will defect and not answer the question. But I’d like to know if he’s ever laced them up for a team.

MJL, did you ever play hockey at any level? You dodge this question regularly - it’s a simple yes or no and would really enlighten a lot of us on your “insight”

He will deflect and not answer the question. But I’d like to know if he’s ever laced them up for a team.

so you just plug your ears and go "la la la"?

do you know how to handle being wrong?
- anti-lame