I am fine with that, giving King 20 games....but I am also questioning not only the upper level management of this team and the direction they are heading in the future, but the supposed "leaders" from a player level.

IMO...a good coach puts each guy in the best way he can succeed and maximize his contribution that helps the team WIN games. With that said, said coach also holds each guy accountable for his play in said role.....see if King starts cracking the whip regardless of the name on the back of the sweater if stupid mishaps continue to haunt this team.

Steve Rain

Like Kurashev getting benched last game after another offensive zone penalty? I agree. Also, Kubalik and Strome changing places on lines 2 and 3 after King's "talk" with Kubalik hasn't shown any positive results from the player yet.

If a team is trying to play to their coaches wishes and continue to lose, the players are the problem. I witnessed the Bears completely outcoached by the Ravens. Personnel decisions, line formations, all decided be coaches. Players won't throw their coach under the bus, they just won't, very hard for people to grasp i guess. Hockey is the ultimate team sport and if you can't coach them to play as 1 unit they will suck just like the Blackhawks did, almost every game they were out of it after 30 minutes of play with boy wonder at the helm. Give King 20 games like you were going to with JC and let's see what we got.
- BetweenTheDots

Didn't you say that under JC the team was trying to play to JC's wishes, and that when they continued to lose, it was JC's fault?

Pick a lane, Dots.

I am fine with that, giving King 20 games....but I am also questioning not only the upper level management of this team and the direction they are heading in the future, but the supposed "leaders" from a player level.

IMO...a good coach puts each guy in the best way he can succeed and maximize his contribution that helps the team WIN games. With that said, said coach also holds each guy accountable for his play in said role.....see if King starts cracking the whip regardless of the name on the back of the sweater if stupid mishaps continue to haunt this team.

Steve Rain

Like Kurashev getting benched last game after another offensive zone penalty? I agree. Also, Kubalik and Strome changing places on lines 2 and 3 after King's "talk" with Kubalik hasn't shown any positive results from the player yet.
- LAHawk

I would agree....more accountability the better....i get with younger guys you need to possibly soften the message a little bit to not deter their confidence vs a seasoned veteran, but if Murphy and Jones are making the same mistakes as say as a Beaudin it should be equal punishment in regards to reduction in playing time.

Ice time is in the end, the greatest leverage a coach has to dictate with.

Didn't you say that under JC the team was trying to play to JC's wishes, and that when they continued to lose, it was JC's fault?

Pick a lane, Dots.
- mohel

i will be SHOCKED if JC ever is a HC in the NHL again....he was that overmatched and that bad.

Their demise wasn't 100% on him, but he did little to help the matter....zero experience at the NHL level, horrible communication skills, and so on.......why do we care anymore about the tenure of JC? Are we going to rehash the tenure of Alpo next? Dirk Graham?

Lets hope King offers some stability and we see some progress from experienced players and growth from the younger guys on this team.

“Freak injury”

More like Gus protecting his roster spot. He needs to go away.

i will be SHOCKED if JC ever is a HC in the NHL again....he was that overmatched and that bad.

Their demise wasn't 100% on him, but he did little to help the matter....zero experience at the NHL level, horrible communication skills, and so on.......why do we care anymore about the tenure of JC? Are we going to rehash the tenure of Alpo next? Dirk Graham?

Lets hope King offers some stability and we see some progress from experienced players and growth from the younger guys on this team.
- SteveRain

My post had little to do with JC. It was about a poster who said one thing for months and is now saying the opposite.

My post had little to do with JC. It was about a poster who said one thing for months and is now saying the opposite.
- mohel

Got it....was listening to Nagy's press conference while typing so likely didn't comprehend all you had to say.

Enjoy your Thanksgiving.

“Freak injury”

More like Gus protecting his roster spot. He needs to go away.
- Ogilthorpe2

It was a freak injury...but why he continues to play....is beyond comprehension.

“Freak injury”

More like Gus protecting his roster spot. He needs to go away.
- Ogilthorpe2

He’s not smart enough to do that, he’s just that dumb, cross checked the Canuck player to the back of Stillman’s legs. Stillman was starting to play decent, making tape to tape passes coming out of D zone.

I am fine with that, giving King 20 games....but I am also questioning not only the upper level management of this team and the direction they are heading in the future, but the supposed "leaders" from a player level.

IMO...a good coach puts each guy in the best way he can succeed and maximize his contribution that helps the team WIN games. With that said, said coach also holds each guy accountable for his play in said role.....see if King starts cracking the whip regardless of the name on the back of the sweater if stupid mishaps continue to haunt this team.
- SteveRain

I agree with all this, for sure, i think LA pointed out after that second penalty by Kurashev in the offensive zone 2 games in a row, on the PP none the less, he didn't get much playing time after that.

I see this term all the time. What exactly does "hockey-minded" guy mean? A guy who played, coached, scouted?
- Chunk

Not a sales executive that shows up to ride a wave and then gets off just before it hits the rocks.

I agree with all this, for sure, i think LA pointed out after that second penalty by Kurashev in the offensive zone 2 games in a row, on the PP none the less, he didn't get much playing time after that.
- BetweenTheDots

Got it....was listening to Nagy's press conference while typing so likely didn't comprehend all you had to say.

Enjoy your Thanksgiving.
- SteveRain

Nah him and his alterego just likes to misrepresent what I say. That's fine

Little does he know JCs system and losing is the same lane.

i will be SHOCKED if JC ever is a HC in the NHL again....he was that overmatched and that bad.

Their demise wasn't 100% on him, but he did little to help the matter....zero experience at the NHL level, horrible communication skills, and so on.......why do we care anymore about the tenure of JC? Are we going to rehash the tenure of Alpo next? Dirk Graham?

Lets hope King offers some stability and we see some progress from experienced players and growth from the younger guys on this team.
- SteveRain

It's never 100% on the coach obviously, but there are a heck of a lot of things a coach can do to put their team in a position to win and vice-versa. How many times did we see JC with the last line change get burned with the 4th line or 3rd D pair out on the ice against opponents #1 line. How about extended minutes for guys with little contributions, etc. How about putting players in positions where they would struggle to succeed.

I'm not sure how much King is doing and how much of it is Crawford, but 5-1 says a whole lot when they had 1 win and maybe 3 solid games out of the 12 under JC.

Nah him and his alterego just likes to misrepresent what I say. That's fine

Little does he know JCs system and losing is the same lane.
- BetweenTheDots

And you don’t misrepresent?

Yes, for much of the season Connolly has been on the wing opposite of Nylander as Reichel centers them. Even when Nylander gets bumped down a line, Reichel and Connolly remain together.

Agree, having the two top forward prospects playing together on a iine with a veteran is a plus for their learning and development. Like Nylander, Connolly has had a good attitude about being in the AHL.

It should also be noted that Connolly also hasn't been a dead weight on their line and on most nights is one of the best players for the Hogs along with Reichel and Nylander. Connolly's new-found energy matches these two.

Or maybe it's vice versa. Either way, having a re-energized Connolly is a good thing because it helps these youngsters while boosting his trade value.
- Theo Fox

If they play well together, keep them together in the NHL either later this year or at the start of next season.

I am fine with that, giving King 20 games....but I am also questioning not only the upper level management of this team and the direction they are heading in the future, but the supposed "leaders" from a player level.

IMO...a good coach puts each guy in the best way he can succeed and maximize his contribution that helps the team WIN games. With that said, said coach also holds each guy accountable for his play in said role.....see if King starts cracking the whip regardless of the name on the back of the sweater if stupid mishaps continue to haunt this team.
- SteveRain

I believe the Hawks are on record as saying they aren't making a HC decision until after the completion of this season. So King has a 60ish game tryout.

If they hire a Director of Hockey Ops, that person will then pick the GM, who will then pick the coach.

Gonna be a whole lot of moving parts this off season, both with the management group and on the ice.

A guy who is focused on the hockey ops side of the organization and not the business side. Divide the organization into 2 sides.

McEgo was 1000% business side.
- SteveRain

So would Bowman be considered a "hockey-minded" guy while he was in the position (albeit for less than a year)?

I agree with all this, for sure, i think LA pointed out after that second penalty by Kurashev in the offensive zone 2 games in a row, on the PP none the less, he didn't get much playing time after that.
- BetweenTheDots

He's going to have a lot less time now. #accountability

Fleury starting for Blackhawks. Johnson in for Kurashev, who has had a few too many turnovers lately, King said. Caleb Jones back in, Kalynuk the healthy D extra.

He’s not smart enough to do that, he’s just that dumb, cross checked the Canuck player to the back of Stillman’s legs. Stillman was starting to play decent, making tape to tape passes coming out of D zone.
- Angotti

Oh no. It's spreading. Now King is infected with it as well.

Derek King on Erik Gustafsson: "When I first came, he didn't play much, he was earning that ice back. He's put himself in a position where it's hard to not play him, it's hard to take him out of the lineup. He's perfect for us on that second [PP] unit."

Oh no. It's spreading. Now King is infected with it as well.

Derek King on Erik Gustafsson: "When I first came, he didn't play much, he was earning that ice back. He's put himself in a position where it's hard to not play him, it's hard to take him out of the lineup. He's perfect for us on that second
- Chunk[PP] unit."

Nah, he's just pumping his tires so the GM can flip him at the deadline.

Gus was the only defenseman to play less than 20 minutes against VAN (other than Stilman).

If you play Toews at 2C & Dach at 3C next year, here are the top 19 FA Centers (by current CAP hit) from Cap Friendly:

. Evgeni Malkin
2. Ryan Kesler
3. Patrice Bergeron
4. Jesperi Kotkaniemi
5. Tomas Hertl
6. Max Domi
7. Jeff Carter
8. Pierre-Luc Dubois
9. Vincent Trocheck
10. Nazem Kadri
11. Ryan Strome
12. Victor Rask
13. Andrew Shaw
14. Chris Tierney
15. Ryan Getzlaf
16. Dylan Strome
17. Jay Beagle
18. Cody Eakin
19. Jack Roslovic

If you play Toews at 2C & Dach at 3C next year, here are the top 19 FA Centers (by current CAP hit) from Cap Friendly:

. Evgeni Malkin
2. Ryan Kesler
3. Patrice Bergeron
4. Jesperi Kotkaniemi
5. Tomas Hertl
6. Max Domi
7. Jeff Carter
8. Pierre-Luc Dubois
9. Vincent Trocheck
10. Nazem Kadri
11. Ryan Strome
12. Victor Rask
13. Andrew Shaw
14. Chris Tierney
15. Ryan Getzlaf
16. Dylan Strome
17. Jay Beagle
18. Cody Eakin
19. Jack Roslovic
- scottak

Aren't Dubois, Roslovic, D. Strome RFA's?

Nah him and his alterego just likes to misrepresent what I say. That's fine

Little does he know JCs system and losing is the same lane.
- BetweenTheDots

It is hard to misrepresent someone who at some points takes all sides of an issue.

Aren't Dubois, Roslovic, D. Strome RFA's?
- LAHawk

This is the list from Cap Friendly listed as FAccenters.