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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 8:51 AM ET
I noticed when the camera panned on AV in the third period last night he was just standing behind the bench chewing his gum. Seemed like a total disconnect with the players. Looked like dead man walking. I was a big proponent of his hiring, but I don't think this is gonna end well. The issue I have is how many coaches will Giroux have gone through? Coach killer!!
- Phillywhiteout


Oh brother.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 24 @ 8:51 AM ET
One of the biggest mistakes they made was giving Fletcher the whole ball of wax. President of hockey operations and GM. Should have been someone strictly on the hockey side over him.
- MJL

Really? Is this not just another overreaction? You and others on here are acting like Fletcher took the keys to a prized Ferrari and drove it into the river! Get real, will you?
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 24 @ 8:52 AM ET
According to some, the Flyers best defenseman and one of the best defenseman in the NHL.

- MJL



ohhhh here we go again
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 24 @ 8:53 AM ET
Really? Is this not just another overreaction? You and others on here are acting like Fletcher took the keys to a prized Ferrari and drove it into the river! Get real, will you?
- jd250


that's true
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 8:53 AM ET
Really? Is this not just another overreaction? You and others on here are acting like Fletcher took the keys to a prized Ferrari and drove it into the river! Get real, will you?
- jd250


It's time for you to admit to the reality of what you've been posting all along. No it's not an overreaction that they gave complete control to a guy who has never built anything in the NHL.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 24 @ 8:55 AM ET
I've always been a Vigneault fan. I wanted the Flyers to hire him. I'm starting to change my mind. I gave a benefit of the doubt last season due to the circumstances and the lack of practice time. However it seems like more of the same this year. The coaching staff shows no signs of being able to adapt or make changes to push the right buttons. He waited far too long to make line changes. You have to help players stay out of ruts before they get too deep. I watch the Lightning play and I see their structure. In every aspect of the game. I don't see it with the Flyers. No consistency. It's not all coaching. It's a combination of injuries, wrong mix of players and coaching.
- MJL

This season AV took longer to tinker with the lines because that was one of the big complaints from players last season in exit interviews. They wanted him to be more patient and not keep changing things all the time. Heck, myself and others on this forum noticed it last year and posted about it. So to start this season, AV gave it 10 or so games before he started tinkering. To make this a reason why he should be canned is just nonsense!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 24 @ 8:57 AM ET
It's time for you to admit to the reality of what you've been posting all along. No it's not an overreaction that they gave complete control to a guy who has never built anything in the NHL.
- MJL

Sure, as soon as you admit Hextall did a crap job as the Flyers GM and left this franchise in bad shape! Only 5 players on this team from 5 drafts and 40+ picks!
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 24 @ 8:57 AM ET
It's time for you to admit to the reality of what you've been posting all along. No it's not an overreaction that they gave complete control to a guy who has never built anything in the NHL.
- MJL


but its also true that fletcher inherited a dumpster fire. Zero high end players along with some bad contracts.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 8:58 AM ET
This season AV took longer to tinker with the lines because that was one of the big complaints from players last season in exit interviews. They wanted him to be more patient and not keep changing things all the time. Heck, myself and others on this forum noticed it last year and posted about it. So to start this season, AV gave it 10 or so games before he started tinkering. To make this a reason why he should be canned is just nonsense!
- jd250


Please document that it was one of the big complaints from the players in exit interviews. Most importantly, who cares what their complaints are?
It's not a democracy. The coaching staff failed to push the right buttons last year to correct issues and it's the same so far this year. Your denial of reality is just nonsense. While I might be willing to give it a little longer and put some of it on the injuries, this coaching staff is coming up small. Again.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 24 @ 8:58 AM ET
Sure, as soon as you admit Hextall did a crap job as the Flyers GM and left this franchise in bad shape! only 5 players on this team from 5 drafts!
- jd250


8 first round picks he had, we gotta be in good shape....don't we?

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 8:59 AM ET
Sure, as soon as you admit Hextall did a crap job as the Flyers GM and left this franchise in bad shape! Only 5 players on this team from 5 drafts and 40+ picks!
- jd250


You are factually incorrect. As usual.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Nov 24 @ 9:00 AM ET
When your season seemingly hinges on a guy who's topped 50-points once in 7-seasons and another guy who can't stay healthy to save his life...



- Tomahawk


Ellis is a legit top pair d-man. That would effect any team over a long stretch.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 9:01 AM ET
Ellis is a legit top pair d-man. That would effect any team over a long stretch.
- mickel25


He is and you're right. However he actually has to be able to play.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Nov 24 @ 9:03 AM ET
He is and you're right. However he actually has to be able to play.
- MJL


Agreed. That's what I was referring too.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 24 @ 9:04 AM ET
Please document that it was one of the big complaints from the players in exit interviews. Most importantly, who cares what their complaints are?
It's not a democracy. The coaching staff failed to push the right buttons last year to correct issues and it's the same so far this year. Your denial of reality is just nonsense. While I might be willing to give it a little longer and put some of it on the injuries, this coaching staff is coming up small. Again.

- MJL

Yup, that's right, this coaching staff is coming up small. Before them, Scott Gordon was nothing but an AHL coach. Before him, college coach Hakstol was in way over his head. Before him, Craig Berube (now Stanley Cup winning coach Berube) was just not Hextall's guy. Before him, Stanley cup winning coach Peter Laviolette was just being tuned out. Its never the fault of the players, nope, those highly skilled, faster than lightning, snipers wearing Flyers' uniforms that skate out there year after year! Nope, its never their fault. Its clearly not the GM's fault who has over 40 draft picks and yet can't find one equivalent to Brayden Point of Nikita Kucherov. Oh, that's right, finding those players is just luck after all ... just a roll of the dice!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 24 @ 9:06 AM ET
8 first round picks he had, we gotta be in good shape....don't we?
- bradster

Yes, and one of the 5 players is Oscar, 0 goals and 1 assist, Lindblom Yes, Hextall, that drafting wizard!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 9:09 AM ET
Yup, that's right, this coaching staff is coming up small. Before them, Scott Gordon was nothing but an AHL coach. Before him, college coach Hakstol was in way over his head. Before him, Craig Berube (now Stanley Cup winning coach Berube) was just not Hextall's guy. Before him, Stanley cup winning coach Peter Laviolette was just being tuned out. Its never the fault of the players, nope, those highly skilled, faster than lightning, snipers wearing Flyers' uniforms that skate out there year after year! Nope, its never their fault. Its clearly not the GM's fault who has over 40 draft picks and yet can't find one equivalent to Brayden Point of Nikita Kucherov. Oh, that's right, finding those players is just luck after all ... just a roll of the dice!
- jd250



If you would actually read what is being said instead of getting all worked up as usual, you would see that I'm not putting it all on the coaches. This is your second strawman argument in a row. You just can't seem to be able to effectively argue the actual merits. You either respond with hearsay and what you don't know to be a fact. Or you try and change the actual subject matter.

By the way, the coach of the opposition last night, despite his team missing Nikita Kucherov, Brayden Point, Erik Cernak and having lost an entire 3rd line from last year, still has his team playing an effective team game with structure and competitiveness. So open your eyes and do the math and compare.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 24 @ 9:13 AM ET
You are factually incorrect. As usual.
- MJL

Oh, that's right, of course I'm wrong. Of course! Correct me if I'm wrong but what was the Flyers record the year Hextall got fired? To remind you it was 37-37-8, good for 6th place!!! Then the following year, the new GM had to bring in Niskanen, Braun, Hayes and Pitlick just to fill some gaping holes and get this team on track again. But according to you, I am factually incorrect and Hextall had this Ferrari revving for a championship!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Nov 24 @ 9:14 AM ET
Morning Flyers fans how are we doing today?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 9:14 AM ET
Oh, that's right, of course I'm wrong. Of course! Correct me if I'm wrong but what was the Flyers record the year Hextall got fired? To remind you it was 37-37-8, good for 6th place!!! Then the following year, the new GM had to bring in Niskanen, Braun, Hayes and Pitlick just to fill some gaping holes and get this team on track again. But according to you, I am factually incorrect and Hextall had this Ferrari revving for a championship!
- jd250


Another strawman ridiculous argument. Yes, your statement was factually incorrect.
dubc55
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.25.2014

Nov 24 @ 9:16 AM ET
Our own little Mats Sundin saga in the making. Hope Chuck handles it better than Cliff did.
- Tomahawk


Good point. I'm in the Toronto area and as good as Sundin was for Toronto for all those years, wasting away in that pile of garbage franchise, he got no respect. Always the whipping boy.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 24 @ 9:18 AM ET
If you would actually read what is being said instead of getting all worked up as usual, you would see that I'm not putting it all on the coaches. This is your second strawman argument in a row. You just can't seem to be able to effectively argue the actual merits. You either respond with hearsay and what you don't know to be a fact. Or you try and change the actual subject matter.

By the way, the coach of the opposition last night, despite his team missing Nikita Kucherov, Brayden Point, Erik Cernak and having lost an entire 3rd line from last year, still has his team playing an effective team game with structure and competitiveness. So open your eyes and do the math and compare.

- MJL

Yes .. very true, and do you know why?? He actually has a GM that knows how to draft and develop skilled players that can actually play more than a marginal 4th line role in the NHL! And as a result the GM that has the luxury to go and sign complimentary FAs that can fill specific roles, e.g. Cory Perry. See what happens when you actually develop a good system of young talent?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 24 @ 9:20 AM ET
Another strawman ridiculous argument. Yes, your statement was factually incorrect.
- MJL

Nothing strawman here ... I am unloading facts on you, both barrels on point! If you want to blame someone for the current state of this team ... start with HEXTALL!! But hey, no worries, he is in Pittsburgh, let's see where they will be in about 5 years
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 9:21 AM ET
Yes .. very true, and do you know why?? He actually has a GM that knows how to draft and develop skilled players that can actually play more than a marginal 4th line role in the NHL! And as a result a GM that has the luxury to go and sign complimentary FAs that can fill specific roles, e.g. Cory Perry. See what happens when you actually develop a good system of young talent?
- jd250


Absurd. Teams with high talent go astray all the time in the NHL and is not dependent on the GM solely. It's why coaches get fired and other coaches come in and the team has success. You can't make even a decent argument. You're trying to turn a discussion on the current coaching staff into a referendum on a GM who hasn't been with the team for 3 years. Complete with wrong information and lack of the grasp of the facts. It's really sad.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 9:22 AM ET
Nothing strawman here ... I am unloading facts on you, both barrels on point! If you want to blame someone for the current state of this team ... start with HEXTALL!! But hey, no worries, he is in Pittsburgh, let's see where they will be in about 5 years
- jd250


You don't even know what a strawman is. "no worries, he is in Pittsburgh, let's see where they will be in about 5 years ". That's a strawman!


You aren't unloading facts. Your facts are wrong.
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