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Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Nov 24 @ 11:03 AM ET
See that last night brassard was listed as questionable to return. Wonder if they shut him down just due to the score. Also. How long will brown be down with a dislocated thumb. Guess it depends on the severity. I just taped mine when it happened but was also in the jungle so not much choice.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 24 @ 11:05 AM ET
This is not a Stanley Cup team with any coach. They need to turn around the stagnation.
- MJL


Dont think anyone thought they were winning the cup this year, but for sure should be capable of the playoffs with this team

But not with this coaching
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Nov 24 @ 11:09 AM ET
Firing Vigneault and naming Yeo the head coach would be a waste of time in my opinion. Need someone from the outside. I believe the Flyers struggle to play Vigneault's overload system.
- MJL

Tocchet no doubt at all...the flyers connection will continue.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Nov 24 @ 11:11 AM ET
well heading to the game tonight. I really prefer to watch from home but taking my boy. I hope they make a game of it, I would hate to make the effort and go see what we saw last night. In a box with Panther fans, o boy, no escape
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Nov 24 @ 11:12 AM ET
Dont think anyone thought they were winning the cup this year, but for sure should be capable of the playoffs with this team

But not with this coaching

- bradster

It is not a playoff team imo. Said that before the season. At best borderline and that will be only because of the goaltending. That is also assuming Hart continues on the path he is on. Sadly he doesnt have any margin of error with this team. He full well knows he gives up 3 goals they are toast. Hell even 2.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Nov 24 @ 11:12 AM ET
Friedman reporting Morgan Frost is joining the Flyers in Florida.

So Fletcher's GM speak was we don't want to rush him he's a big part of the future a few days ago, now an injury and he's called up. Fletcher is a complete buffoon.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Nov 24 @ 11:13 AM ET
People still watching this middling team that will struggle to score 200 goals on the season? Oh yeah where all the poop talkers from first 5 games of the season? Where they at over last 12 games? Coots 8 more years so laughable. G extension so laughable Ellis risto so laughable
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:19 AM ET
People still watching this middling team that will struggle to score 200 goals on the season? Oh yeah where all the poop talkers from first 5 games of the season? Where they at over last 12 games? Coots 8 more years so laughable. G extension so laughable Ellis risto so laughable
- Stayin alive


Agreed. It's like one of those old timey roasts. Jokes and jokes and jokes.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Nov 24 @ 11:21 AM ET
Friedman reporting Morgan Frost is joining the Flyers in Florida.

So Fletcher's GM speak was we don't want to rush him he's a big part of the future a few days ago, now an injury and he's called up. Fletcher is a complete buffoon.

- PLindbergh31

I think he is just the last able body left. The German is hurt I think I read somewhere; not that he was a consideration.

Cant wait to trade the 2022 first Frost JVR + for JT Miller....
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Nov 24 @ 11:35 AM ET
I guess I’ll eat a little crow. My expectations are very very low for this team. Baby steps. It is very nice to see that the team seems to have a pulse again. Really nice to see some pushback and a little life in their game. Now let’s see it for a good stretch of games to actually believe and maybe adjust expectations a little
- Stayin alive


only to come back and be a troll again. so laughable.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Nov 24 @ 11:39 AM ET
Friedman reporting Morgan Frost is joining the Flyers in Florida.

So Fletcher's GM speak was we don't want to rush him he's a big part of the future a few days ago, now an injury and he's called up. Fletcher is a complete buffoon.

- PLindbergh31



He was a horrible gm in Minnesota and is even worse here
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Nov 24 @ 11:42 AM ET
well heading to the game tonight. I really prefer to watch from home but taking my boy. I hope they make a game of it, I would hate to make the effort and go see what we saw last night. In a box with Panther fans, o boy, no escape
- wcorvette


At least you can hang out with your son and bond whatever the outcome of the game is.
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Nov 24 @ 11:51 AM ET
They need to play the Benny Hill theme for thei powerplay
- BiggE

Hilarious!!
Wonder how many here can appreciate that joke!!
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Nov 24 @ 11:53 AM ET
I've always been a Vigneault fan. I wanted the Flyers to hire him. I'm starting to change my mind. I gave a benefit of the doubt last season due to the circumstances and the lack of practice time. However it seems like more of the same this year. The coaching staff shows no signs of being able to adapt or make changes to push the right buttons. He waited far too long to make line changes. You have to help players stay out of ruts before they get too deep. I watch the Lightning play and I see their structure. In every aspect of the game. I don't see it with the Flyers. No consistency. It's not all coaching. It's a combination of injuries, wrong mix of players and coaching.
- MJL

You loved Hakstool too.
zero point zero my genius friend
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Nov 24 @ 11:56 AM ET
Hilarious!!
Wonder how many here can appreciate that joke!!

- konalover711


bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 24 @ 11:58 AM ET
You loved Hakstool too.
zero point zero my genius friend

- konalover711


was he a hakstol fan? Because he was Ronnies guy?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Nov 24 @ 12:33 PM ET
It's a proven fact that the better a team is, the better their attendance, merchandise sales. Television ratings hence advertising revenue. Everything rises when a team reaches the top of the league. There are some exceptions such as teams like Toronto, where hockey is like religion but overall across the league and in most sports. The better the team, the more revenue it draws.
- MJL


None of which refutes what I wrote earilier, to which you responded above

The increase in sales/merchandise etc. you allude to do not make up for the lost revenue from a full rebuild, which is by far the most likely path to win a championship.

And sports teams in big markets do very well without even sniffing a championship: look at the rise on franchise value for Buffalo in hockey, and WTF in NFL.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 12:39 PM ET
None of which refutes what I wrote earilier, to which you responded above

The increase in sales/merchandise etc. you allude to do not make up for the lost revenue from a full rebuild, which is by far the most likely path to win a championship.

And sports teams in big markets do very well without even sniffing a championship: look at the rise on franchise value for Buffalo in hockey, and WTF in NFL.

- PT21


You response here lacks common sense. What would generate more revenue for a team

Team A goes through a full rebuild and becomes a championship team

Team B goes through a full rebuild and never gets to a championship level.

Seems as though you missed something here.

The context of the conversation is not doing very well. It's what builds the most revenue.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Nov 24 @ 12:46 PM ET
You response here lacks common sense. What would generate more revenue for a team

Team A goes through a full rebuild and becomes a championship team

Team B goes through a full rebuild and never gets to a championship level.

Seems as though you missed something here.

The context of the conversation is not doing very well. It's what builds the most revenue.

- MJL


Dude.

Read. the. (frank)ing. post. or. do. your. own. research.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Nov 24 @ 1:21 PM ET
People still watching this middling team that will struggle to score 200 goals on the season? Oh yeah where all the poop talkers from first 5 games of the season? Where they at over last 12 games? Coots 8 more years so laughable. G extension so laughable Ellis risto so laughable
- Stayin alive



There you are, SA. Long time no see. Why the absence from these parts?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 1:42 PM ET
Dude.

Read. the. (frank)ing. post. or. do. your. own. research.

- PT21



I understand you can't handle being proven wrong. It wasn't at all difficult.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 1:42 PM ET
There you are, SA. Long time no see. Why the absence from these parts?
- PT21


The team had a good record for a while.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 24 @ 1:56 PM ET
You don't even know what a strawman is. "no worries, he is in Pittsburgh, let's see where they will be in about 5 years ". That's a strawman!


You aren't unloading facts. Your facts are wrong.

- MJL

Oh well .. it funny, your only retort has been "your facts are wrong", and your "arguments are all strawman', but yet I don't see any facts supporting your argument. The fact that you are stating that AV and his staff should be fired means you believe in the team and the players on the team in terms of talent and capability, and you believe a new voice is all they need. Well then, I guess you are back tracking now on your belief that Fletcher does not know what he is doing as a GM, since he is responsible for just about everyone on this roster, except for the measly 5 players from Hextall and a couple from Holmgren.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Nov 24 @ 2:01 PM ET
Firing Vigneault and naming Yeo the head coach would be a waste of time in my opinion. Need someone from the outside. I believe the Flyers struggle to play Vigneault's overload system.
- MJL

Since your such a Tampa fan, why not wait until the off season and grab one their assistants, like Jeff Halpern? However, according to you this would not be enough, we would also have to fire the GM because he doesn't know what he is doing, and replace half the players because apparently they suck also, though we must keep ALL of Hextall's players and picks!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 24 @ 2:05 PM ET
Oh well .. it funny, your only retort has been "your facts are wrong", and your "arguments are all strawman', but yet I don't see any facts supporting your argument. The fact that you are stating that AV and his staff should be fired means you believe in the team and the players on the team in terms of talent and capability, and you believe a new voice is all they need. Well then, I guess you are back tracking now on your belief that Fletcher does not know what he is doing as a GM, since he is responsible for just about everyone on this roster, except for the measly 5 players from Hextall and a couple from Holmgren.
- jd250


You stated that there are 5 players on the team from Hextall. That's wrong. There are 6. You are factually wrong. You tried to turn the conversation from the current situation to Hextall. The only reason why you do is because you think it's taking a shot at me and you ally yourself with the worst element on this site. It's desperation on your part.
You're also inaccurate here and really have a poor memory. Your statement that I think all that is needed is a new voice is not correct. If need be I'll link to the posts I made that say that you're wrong.

Any time you want to discuss the facts of what Hextall added in his tenure, we can do that also.


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