OK. But my original question was: Which holidays?
- Bendecko

The 2025 Kumbh Mela. I mean, dude, like, duhhh?

You have several details incorrect. First of all, Ekblad was actually Farabee's man on the play. Giroux and Farabee switched which caused some confusion. Farabee did not stay between his man after the switch and the net. Giroux did not let his man behind him. Ekblad moved laterally away from Giroux.
- MJL

The lost stick def created some confusion, but g lost his man. It was clear live and then even more so on the replay. Great on draws, but not great in his own end.

I think g has been good this year and he is not the problem in general, but it’s pretty simple he lost his man. It happens. They could have easily won it on Atkinsons breakaway. Hits the post..

Jones a nice pickup thus far.

Didn't see much of the game cause had other more important things going on, but I see that Giroux had 22 minutes of ice time tonight. That is simply too much and he will be cooked by the new year if not before. JVR is the most invisible player in the free world and there has never been a softer player for a dude his size. Can we buy him out now??? Well, at least we have Laughts!! Cracks me up some folks on here worship that guy! Can you say plain Jane? Sure you can!

There’s nothing to do but stay by your man instead of making it a 3 on 1 because one guys doesn’t have a stick & now you’re going to take yourself out of position. Just idiotic & zero reason to do so the excuses coming in already are unbelievable. He messed up plain & simple
- Fopa21

So last night I’m reading comments like this one and scratching my head. Please correct me if I’m wrong but…

In a 5 on 5 situation in the defensive zone, the coverage is center on center. Wingers cover the point men (the defense) and defense covers the opposing wingers down low.

If 3 on 3 man to man coverage is anything like 5 on 5, how was Ekblad Giroux’s man? When Giroux lost the faceoff, his man was the center. Saying Farabee had “his man” and saying it doesn’t matter if he had his stick, even though a pass was made right through Farabee sounds ridiculous to me. In fact, if Farabee is the winger, wouldn’t that mean Ekblad was his responsibility and Farabee was coving the wrong man without a stick?

So let night I’m reading comments like this one abs scratching my head. Please correct me if I’m wrong but…

In a 5 on 5 situation in the defensive zone, the coverage is center on center. Wingers cover the point men (the defense) and defense covers the opposing wingers down low.

If 3 on 3 man to man coverage is anything like 5 on 5, how was Ekblad Giroux’s man? When Giroux lost the faceoff, his man was the center. Saying Farabee had “his man” abs saying it doesn’t matter if he had his stick, even though a pass was made right through Farabee sounds ridiculous to me. In fact, if Farabee is the winger, wouldn’t that mean Ekblad was his responsibility and Farabee was coving the wrong man without a stick?
- SuperSchennBros

At the end of the day what I am seeing is the flyers getting the majority of their shots from outside at low danger vice routinely dealing with the other team coming into the zone freely with speed. It’s a Len absolute Xmas miracle we got a point last night in view of the chances Jones had to face. It was an epic performance imo.

Simply, we’re not scoring because we aren’t get quality chances and we’re defending half the game. When we do get a chance we aren’t burying it. If the pp and scoring in general doesn’t pick up soon boys we’re in trouble especially if we need to have that type of tending to get to ot. We’re down players but Florida didn’t have Barkov either.

Konecny was one of the Flyers better forwards in the game.
- MJL

I wish TK would bring that energy to every game he plays, when he does is highly effective, but currently he is still inconsistent

The 2025 Kumbh Mela. I mean, dude, like, duhhh?


- PT21

Ahhhh... I too remember the Great Fort Lauderdale Spring Break of '85. (And that's all I have to say about that.)

At the end of the day what I am seeing is the flyers getting the majority of their shots from outside at low danger vice routinely dealing with the other team coming into the zone freely with speed. It’s a Len absolute Xmas miracle we got a point last night in view of the chances Jones had to face. It was an epic performance imo.

Simply, we’re not scoring because we aren’t get quality chances and we’re defending half the game. When we do get a chance we aren’t burying it. If the pp and scoring in general doesn’t pick up soon boys we’re in trouble especially if we need to have that type of tending to get to ot. We’re down players but Florida didn’t have Barkov either.
- Hextall271

It's very simple. The game was 1-1 heading into OT because Martin Jones was outstanding. The Flyers got completely thrashed at 5 on 5. Not because of a lack of effort on the Flyers part. I believe they played hard. They just aren't very good as a team. The Panthers ability to move the puck with speed and attack in the offensive zone is night and day compared to the Flyers ability. The single biggest difference between the two teams is the defense. The Panthers defenseman are light years ahead of the Flyers in terms of their transition play and attacking as a 5 man unit. Another issue is that the Flyers continue to use an archaic side breakout frequently putting the puck in 50/50 battles or into the neutral zone in a low percentage play, losing possession.

Ok, I watched the replay of the OT goal again and again ... and I concluded that was not a penalty by Ekblad. As I watched the replay I realized Ekblad did not slash the stick from Farabee's hands, he lifted Farabee's stick and the force of the lift is what propelled the stick from Farabee's hands. I found this clarification online:

Can a player lift the opponent’s stick without being penalized under the Standard of Play guidelines?

Yes. A player may lift the opponent’s stick at anytime provided they do not impede their progress. This is most often done in an effort to prevent the opponent from playing the puck and is considered a good defensive play.
-US Hockey rulebook

In this case, Ekblad did not impede Farabee's progress, he simply lifted the stick out of Farabee's hands, and that is considered a good play. I just learned something new here.

It's very simple. The game was 1-1 heading into OT because Martin Jones was outstanding. The Flyers got completely thrashed at 5 on 5. Not because of a lack of effort on the Flyers part. I believe they played hard. They just aren't very good as a team. The Panthers ability to move the puck with speed and attack in the offensive zone is night and day compared to the Flyers ability. The single biggest difference between the two teams is the defense. The Panthers defenseman are light years ahead of the Flyers in terms of their transition play and attacking as a 5 man unit. Another issue is that the Flyers continue to use an archaic side breakout frequently putting the puck in 50/50 battles or into the neutral zone in a low percentage play, losing possession.
- MJL

I do notice the Flyers forwards turn the puck over a lot just inside their own blue line and in the neutral zone. I think the Flyers D do a decent job getting the puck up to the forwards, but the forwards are often contested right away which causes the turnovers. I wish the Flyers would use the center of the ice more on break outs or their D take a few more strides before they dish the puck.

I wish TK would bring that energy to every game he plays, when he does is highly effective, but currently he is still inconsistent
- jd250

During the after-game presser Farabee said he was frustrated by the non-call at the end of the game and was unhappy with the loss. Hopefully he channels that into something positive and keep racking up the points after ending his drought last night. Hopefully TK and everyone else also does the same.

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1RDGlgBNONEKL

I do notice the Flyers forwards turn the puck over a lot just inside their own blue line and in the neutral zone. I think the Flyers D do a decent job getting the puck up to the forwards, but the forwards are often contested right away which causes the turnovers. I wish the Flyers would use the center of the ice more on break outs.
- jd250

It seems to me they've been doing this long before AV, even when the rosters were much different. So frustrating to watch all the turnovers and constantly getting hemmed-in over the recent years.

Ok, I watched the replay of the OT goal again and again ... and I concluded that was not a penalty by Ekblad. As I watched the replay I realized Ekblad did not slash the stick from Farabee's hands, he lifted Farabee's stick and the force of the lift is what propelled the stick from Farabee's hands. I found this clarification online:



In this case, Ekblad did not impede Farabee's progress, he simply lifted the stick out of Farabee's hands, and that is considered a good play. I just learned something new here.
- jd250

It’s literally been called on us before, I didn’t notice in game and haven’t watched the replay but if he launched his stick with excessive force it’s a penalty .

Ok, I watched the replay of the OT goal again and again ... and I concluded that was not a penalty by Ekblad. As I watched the replay I realized Ekblad did not slash the stick from Farabee's hands, he lifted Farabee's stick and the force of the lift is what propelled the stick from Farabee's hands. I found this clarification online:



In this case, Ekblad did not impede Farabee's progress, he simply lifted the stick out of Farabee's hands, and that is considered a good play. I just learned something new here.
- jd250

Actually you didn't learn something and your analysis of that play is not correct. Ekblad did not merely lift Farabee's stick. A lifting of the stick play would occur for example when a player has possession of the puck or if a pass is coming to a player and a defenseman uses his stick to lift a players stick to cause him to lose possession or to not be able to catch a pass.
What Ekblad did was away from the puck and he slashed Farabee's stick out of his hands. It's an interference penalty. He clearly didn't lift Farabee's stick.
So two factors here. One it is not on a puck play, it's away from the play and it's not a lift, it's a slash that threw Farabee's stick up in the air considerably

It’s literally been called on us before, I didn’t notice in game and haven’t watched the replay but if he launched his stick with excessive force it’s a penalty .
- ClaudeFather

He's completely wrong and is confusing a stick lift with a slash knocking a stick out of a players hands which is a penalty. The ref just closed his eyes and pretended it didn't happen.

I do notice the Flyers forwards turn the puck over a lot just inside their own blue line and in the neutral zone. I think the Flyers D do a decent job getting the puck up to the forwards, but the forwards are often contested right away which causes the turnovers. I wish the Flyers would use the center of the ice more on break outs or their D take a few more strides before they dish the puck.
- jd250

Disagree, the Flyers defense doesn't do a decent job at all. Which is why they don't generate a lot of chances and they have an issues scoring goals. It's a combination of personnel and coaching.

Have you changed your mind yet on what happened in the game last night?

Ok, I watched the replay of the OT goal again and again ... and I concluded that was not a penalty by Ekblad. As I watched the replay I realized Ekblad did not slash the stick from Farabee's hands, he lifted Farabee's stick and the force of the lift is what propelled the stick from Farabee's hands. I found this clarification online:



In this case, Ekblad did not impede Farabee's progress, he simply lifted the stick out of Farabee's hands, and that is considered a good play. I just learned something new here.
- jd250

It’s an interference penalty in Hockey… I’m not sure if wording but you can’t intentionally knock stick out of opponents hand, even if the hack or slash comes from underneath… it’s always been called that way. It was hardly a simple lifting if the stick. Simply a missed call.

It’s an interference penalty in Hockey… I’m not sure if wording but you can’t intentionally knock stick out of opponents hand, even if the hack or slash comes from underneath… it’s always been called that way. It was hardly a simple lifting if the stick. Simply a missed call.
- landros 2

Was last called us, believe it was G or Coots when we were on a PP and they launched someone’s stick 30 feet high. He’s clearly clueless

At the end of the day what I am seeing is the flyers getting the majority of their shots from outside at low danger vice routinely dealing with the other team coming into the zone freely with speed. It’s a Len absolute Xmas miracle we got a point last night in view of the chances Jones had to face. It was an epic performance imo.

Simply, we’re not scoring because we aren’t get quality chances and we’re defending half the game. When we do get a chance we aren’t burying it. If the pp and scoring in general doesn’t pick up soon boys we’re in trouble especially if we need to have that type of tending to get to ot. We’re down players but Florida didn’t have Barkov either.
- Hextall271

This is all great but my question wasn’t answered. How am I reading pages on how Farabee was doing the right thing by standing next to “his man” without a stick while somehow Giroux should have been coving Ekblad? From my basic understanding, Ekblad was not Giroux’s man, the center was. Ekblad was Farabee’s man. Farabee without a stick was going to cover the wrong guy downlow, or am I mistaken?

Also I’m really getting sick of auto correct posting “abs” instead of “and” when I type and!! Who the (frank) types abs every other sense???

It's very simple. The game was 1-1 heading into OT because Martin Jones was outstanding. The Flyers got completely thrashed at 5 on 5. Not because of a lack of effort on the Flyers part. I believe they played hard. They just aren't very good as a team. The Panthers ability to move the puck with speed and attack in the offensive zone is night and day compared to the Flyers ability. The single biggest difference between the two teams is the defense. The Panthers defenseman are light years ahead of the Flyers in terms of their transition play and attacking as a 5 man unit. Another issue is that the Flyers continue to use an archaic side breakout frequently putting the puck in 50/50 battles or into the neutral zone in a low percentage play, losing possession.
- MJL

you nailed it cliff. Also add the flyers are just not that good period.

He's completely wrong and is confusing a stick lift with a slash knocking a stick out of a players hands which is a penalty. The ref just closed his eyes and pretended it didn't happen.
- MJL

He read the rule book !!![/img]

This is all great but my question wasn’t answered. How am I reading pages on how Farabee was doing the right thing by standing next to “his man” without a stick while somehow Giroux should have been coving Ekblad? From my basic understanding, Ekblad was not Giroux’s man, Ekblad was Farabee’s man. Farabee without a stick was going to cover the wrong guy downlow, or am I mistaken?

Also I’m really getting sick of auto correct posting “abs” instead of “and” when I type and!! Who the (frank) types abs every other sense???
- SuperSchennBros

Farabee lost his stick and stopped playing, G tried to make a play to make up for the guy with no stock, he didn’t get it, game over . Simple as that.

He read the rule book !!!
- ClaudeFather[/img]

If he did, he read the wrong rule.


Rule 56, Interference, 56.2: A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who deliberately knocks a stick out of an opponent's hand.

It's very simple. The game was 1-1 heading into OT because Martin Jones was outstanding. The Flyers got completely thrashed at 5 on 5. Not because of a lack of effort on the Flyers part. I believe they played hard. They just aren't very good as a team. The Panthers ability to move the puck with speed and attack in the offensive zone is night and day compared to the Flyers ability. The single biggest difference between the two teams is the defense. The Panthers defenseman are light years ahead of the Flyers in terms of their transition play and attacking as a 5 man unit. Another issue is that the Flyers continue to use an archaic side breakout frequently putting the puck in 50/50 battles or into the neutral zone in a low percentage play, losing possession.
- MJL

What I always notice is that in our zone we can’t clear it with a pass. It’s a dump out after losing board battle after board battle and seeking to grind it out. They lost a ton of those battles last night too and even when they won it. It was a clear that gave Florida possession back. We won’t be able to make progress until Ellis comes back and we have to hope when people are slotted correctly we see improvement.

What I always notice is that in our zone we can’t clear it with a pass. It’s a dump out after losing board battle after board battle and seeking to grind it out. They lost a ton of those battles last night too and even when they won it. It was a clear that gave Florida possession back. We won’t be able to make progress until Ellis comes back and we have to hope when people are slotted correctly we see improvement.
- Hextall271

I wish there was a stat that tracks how often a team deliberately gives up possession. The Flyers continue to use simple wheel strong side breakouts that really are so basic that other teams are sitting waiting on it. I posted about it last night. Sanheim has the puck and wheels behind the net. He has a free skating lane but doesn't use it. Instead he sends the puck up the wall to a covered forward, putting the puck in a 50/50 battle. This is not just Sanheim. It's coaching.
Other teams defenseman skate the puck up or have a forward come deep and then use counters and one touch passes to move the puck with speed through the neutral zone to generate attacks.
There are other coaching issues such as the Flyers having difficulty executing AV's overload/man to man D zone coverage scheme. The PP obviously. Issues on the PK. The Flyers have a personnel issue and the coaches are not making adjustments.