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anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Nov 25 @ 9:53 AM ET
You are wrong and are wasting my time and everyone else's. You have a personal issue and I don't care what you think.
- MJL


you're going on my list, buster!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 25 @ 9:54 AM ET
you're going on my list, buster!
- anti-lame


Good. I liked you better with your other screen name.


Happy Thanksgving
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Nov 25 @ 9:57 AM ET
3 on 3 in OT is man to man. Ekblad was originally Farabee's man. Farabee had his stick knocked out of his had by Ekblad. That's the first clue that Ekblad was Farabee's man. Giroux saw that Farabee had lost Ekblad and switched to Ekblad. Was that the correct move, can't say. Farabee and Giroux were a little confused and almost bumped each other off. Giroux reached to break up the pass down low and was caught flatfooted. Ekblad moved laterally to get away from Giroux and got open.
- MJL

Yes, and G tried to make the play knowing Farabee was Franked and he unfortunately didn’t come up with it.
anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Nov 25 @ 9:59 AM ET
Good. I liked you better with your other screen name.


Happy Thanksgving

- MJL


didn't like your first reply so had to make an edit to get extra snarky, eh? we could all use a rewrite now and again
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Nov 25 @ 10:02 AM ET
The Flyers aren't slow. They're an average skating team that plays slow. Florida is a faster team that also plays a faster style of play. Transition and puck moving are the name of the game. Florida's defenseman are superior to the Flyers. They move and skate the puck quickly. Combine that with some forward speed and a speed system, and they attack in waves.
- MJL


We have no one who has elite speed. Average would put us middle of the pack. What teams do you think is slower? I get the puck moves faster than everyone. But this has been a theme for what 8 years now. Todays game is reliant on speed. Yes structure helps hide reduce this. We have a couple quick players but no one that is fast.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 25 @ 10:12 AM ET
We have no one who has elite speed. Average would put us middle of the pack. What teams do you think is slower? I get the puck moves faster than everyone. But this has been a theme for what 8 years now. Todays game is reliant on speed. Yes structure helps hide reduce this. We have a couple quick players but no one that is fast.
- Peter Richards


Chuck has made an effort to draft some speed guys the last couple of drafts, hopefully that will help.....just gotta wait

Not sure if this guy will turn into something or not, but been lighting it up this year, 18 goals in 20 games, and fast
Connor Mcclennon, says he is only 5'8 160, so maybe a few years away.
https://www.livesport.com...cclennon-connor/UZNlyfcH/
Phillywhiteout
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: West Chester, PA
Joined: 08.11.2020

Nov 25 @ 10:27 AM ET
We have no one who has elite speed. Average would put us middle of the pack. What teams do you think is slower? I get the puck moves faster than everyone. But this has been a theme for what 8 years now. Todays game is reliant on speed. Yes structure helps hide reduce this. We have a couple quick players but no one that is fast.
- Peter Richards
It cracks me up that I've been saying that they are a slow team for 5 years now and yet many folks still tend to disagree. I simply don't understand what they are looking at. Structure....smucture....this team is slow at the forward position. I'm not going to list every forward one by one cause I simply don't have the time, but how many gifted skaters does this forward group have? I'll wait. No I won't....I'll say none!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 25 @ 10:30 AM ET
It cracks me up that I've been saying that they are a slow team for 5 years now and yet many folks still tend to disagree. I simply don't understand what they are looking at. Structure....smucture....this team is slow at the forward position. I'm not going to list every forward one by one cause I simply don't have the time, but how many gifted skaters does this forward group have? I'll wait. No I won't....I'll say none!
- Phillywhiteout


The Flyers don't have a player that is in the upper echelon of skating speed but they are not a slow team. They're average and skating speed of their forwards as a whole is not the issue.
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Nov 25 @ 10:32 AM ET
It cracks me up that I've been saying that they are a slow team for 5 years now and yet many folks still tend to disagree. I simply don't understand what they are looking at. Structure....smucture....this team is slow at the forward position. I'm not going to list every forward one by one cause I simply don't have the time, but how many gifted skaters does this forward group have? I'll wait. No I won't....I'll say none!
- Phillywhiteout

I watch the Rangers and Devils with their young forwards flying around and it brings energy to the vets. This team offensively is a plodding methodical group with little to no speed to their game. We are gonna be behind the Rags and Devils for years
RajaAmpat
Joined: 12.16.2018

Nov 25 @ 10:33 AM ET
I can remember watching when the Rangers won the Cup when the guy held up the sign.. "Now I can die happy".....and felt good for him... I doubt I will be alive or if alive, cognizant of my surroundings when this frigging organization finally gets it right again...
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Nov 25 @ 10:33 AM ET
Chuck has made an effort to draft some speed guys the last couple of drafts, hopefully that will help.....just gotta wait

Not sure if this guy will turn into something or not, but been lighting it up this year, 18 goals in 20 games, and fast
Connor Mcclennon, says he is only 5'8 160, so maybe a few years away.
https://www.livesport.com...cclennon-connor/UZNlyfcH/

- bradster


Samu as well. But couple years away for both.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 25 @ 10:35 AM ET
Samu as well. But couple years away for both.
- Peter Richards


And thats an IF, they are an nhl player. Flyers fans are used to waiting for someone to not turn into an NHL player
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Nov 25 @ 10:36 AM ET
Glad they broke their losing streak
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Nov 25 @ 10:39 AM ET
And thats an IF, they are an nhl player. Flyers fans are used to waiting for someone to not turn into an NHL player
- bradster


True true. Just tire of watching the puck get pushed to open ice and seems like 4 out of 5 times we are loosing the foot race. Or each game when others pull away or fly wide. No one can keep up. Just like risto was needed for physicality we have no one that backs d men down or scares them with speed. Same with snipers though too.
DANCER
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.30.2019

Nov 25 @ 10:45 AM ET
Chuck has made an effort to draft some speed guys the last couple of drafts, hopefully that will help.....just gotta wait
- bradster
Durung the Homer GM years we went the trade and free agent route with poor results...fast forward to the Hexy as GM years and we went with the stockpile picks route to meager results...now we're in the Fletcher as GM years and what he's doing is trying to hold on by patching the mistakes of the past decade plus. Despite my posts driven by huge frustration, I've loved and followed this team since day one. This is absolutely the longest stretch of futility in their history. Unfortunately I don't see them being in the cup mix any time in the near term. G, Ellis, and Atkinson are their best players...they are also aging. There isn't a Pronger or Howe (not to mention a Makar or Fox) in the group of Provy, Risto,Sanheim, or York. All will be good just not great. Again we are several years away from being several years away. They may make the playoffs, but they are certainly not relevant
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 25 @ 10:53 AM ET
True true. Just tire of watching the puck get pushed to open ice and seems like 4 out of 5 times we are loosing the foot race. Or each game when others pull away or fly wide. No one can keep up. Just like risto was needed for physicality we have no one that backs d men down or scares them with speed. Same with snipers though too.
- Peter Richards


A few of the players drafted the last few years have + speed, now cross our fingers that they turn into nhl players. These guys all have above average speed, hopefully we can hit on a couple of them
Mcclennon
Desnoyer
Andrae
Wisdom
samu
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Nov 25 @ 10:55 AM ET
Durung the Homer GM years we went the trade and free agent route with poor results...fast forward to the Hexy as GM years and we went with the stockpile picks route to meager results...now we're in the Fletcher as GM years and what he's doing is trying to hold on by patching the mistakes of the past decade plus. Despite my posts driven by huge frustration, I've loved and followed this team since day one. This is absolutely the longest stretch of futility in their history. Unfortunately I don't see them being in the cup mix any time in the near term. G, Ellis, and Atkinson are their best players...they are also aging. There isn't a Pronger or Howe (not to mention a Makar or Fox) in the group of Provy, Risto,Sanheim, or York. All will be good just not great. Again we are several years away from being several years away. They may make the playoffs, but they are certainly not relevant
- DANCER


Agree, hard to get a really good pick if not picking in the top 5. Maybe we can get some luck with a mid round pick.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 25 @ 10:54 AM ET
Durung the Homer GM years we went the trade and free agent route with poor results...fast forward to the Hexy as GM years and we went with the stockpile picks route to meager results...now we're in the Fletcher as GM years and what he's doing is trying to hold on by patching the mistakes of the past decade plus. Despite my posts driven by huge frustration, I've loved and followed this team since day one. This is absolutely the longest stretch of futility in their history. Unfortunately I don't see them being in the cup mix any time in the near term. G, Ellis, and Atkinson are their best players...they are also aging. There isn't a Pronger or Howe (not to mention a Makar or Fox) in the group of Provy, Risto,Sanheim, or York. All will be good just not great. Again we are several years away from being several years away. They may make the playoffs, but they are certainly not relevant
- DANCER


I would say that they're back to the Holmgren model. They aren't in the cup mix so why go back to that model? What is a better position to be in? An average team with aging players up against the cap. Or a younger average team, still waiting on drafting and developing with some cap flexibility? Flyers management has the team in the worst possible spot a team can be in. They made a major mistake in losing patience.

Last night was a measuring stick game. Flyers were held in it by goaltending. It's not just that Florida has some better skaters. It's the way they play. The Flyers not only have to add some speed and skill but they need to play a more modern game and style of play.
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Nov 25 @ 1:09 PM ET
You are wrong and are wasting my time and everyone else's. You have a personal issue and I don't care what you think.
- MJL

You just made the list...
konalover711
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PHX, AZ
Joined: 10.20.2015

Nov 25 @ 1:12 PM ET
I can remember watching when the Rangers won the Cup when the guy held up the sign.. "Now I can die happy".....and felt good for him... I doubt I will be alive or if alive, cognizant of my surroundings when this frigging organization finally gets it right again...
- RajaAmpat

I too share the pain...
Dirt nap seems way closer then a cup....
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Nov 25 @ 3:19 PM ET
To swallow haha come on
- ClaudeFather


PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Nov 25 @ 3:27 PM ET
I wish there was a stat that tracks how often a team deliberately gives up possession. The Flyers continue to use simple wheel strong side breakouts that really are so basic that other teams are sitting waiting on it. I posted about it last night. Sanheim has the puck and wheels behind the net. He has a free skating lane but doesn't use it. Instead he sends the puck up the wall to a covered forward, putting the puck in a 50/50 battle. This is not just Sanheim. It's coaching.
Other teams defenseman skate the puck up or have a forward come deep and then use counters and one touch passes to move the puck with speed through the neutral zone to generate attacks.
There are other coaching issues such as the Flyers having difficulty executing AV's overload/man to man D zone coverage scheme. The PP obviously. Issues on the PK. The Flyers have a personnel issue and the coaches are not making adjustments.

- MJL


Yes, you did, and you were right, but more can be said.

The guy taking the puck up ice (usually a forward for us, since Provorov doesn't do that well) through the neutral zone needs to not be so close to the boards as our guys end up, and definitely needs more speed. And I believe the reason why so often our players end up trying a stretch pass, or get hemmed near the boards, or dump the puck in is because we don't have a single guy who has that strength. Not Couturier, not Provorov, Not current Giroux, Not Hayes (when he is heathy), and so on. None of our wingers count playmaking as a strength, esp. with Voracek gone (and I am ok with that departure. I think that trade was a good trade for both teams).

I don't see this as a coaching issue. I see this as a personnel issue.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Nov 25 @ 3:31 PM ET
It cracks me up that I've been saying that they are a slow team for 5 years now and yet many folks still tend to disagree. I simply don't understand what they are looking at. Structure....smucture....this team is slow at the forward position. I'm not going to list every forward one by one cause I simply don't have the time, but how many gifted skaters does this forward group have? I'll wait. No I won't....I'll say none!
- Phillywhiteout


5? When were the Flyers ever a fast team?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Nov 25 @ 3:32 PM ET
Agree, hard to get a really good pick if not picking in the top 5. Maybe we can get some luck with a mid round pick.
- bradster


Ayup. It becomes much, much more random after that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 26 @ 7:55 AM ET
Yes, you did, and you were right, but more can be said.

The guy taking the puck up ice (usually a forward for us, since Provorov doesn't do that well) through the neutral zone needs to not be so close to the boards as our guys end up, and definitely needs more speed. And I believe the reason why so often our players end up trying a stretch pass, or get hemmed near the boards, or dump the puck in is because we don't have a single guy who has that strength. Not Couturier, not Provorov, Not current Giroux, Not Hayes (when he is heathy), and so on. None of our wingers count playmaking as a strength, esp. with Voracek gone (and I am ok with that departure. I think that trade was a good trade for both teams).

I don't see this as a coaching issue. I see this as a personnel issue.

- PT21


Any center or forward on the team is capable of coming back deep for example on a center breakout. Executing a team breakout, is not playmaking. It's system and execution. Provorov in recent games against quality opponents has skated the puck through the neutral zone. It's certainly true that the better skating and more skilled players are more adept but it's not just a personnel issue. Players on Florida such as Brandon Montour and Frank Vatrano were executing these plays.The perfect example is the one I used with Sanheim. He has the ability for sure. He made the play he did because he's trying to play within the system. Whether it's the strong side overload/man to man D coverage or a diamond force PK, to breakouts and the PP. I'd like to see it all tweaked. This team definitely has some holes in the lineup and in my opinion in some cases the wrong mix. More can be achieved with this team with some system tweaks.
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