No idea. It just seemed like it was as good a time to postpone as any, considering they had no nhl caliber players left. So they played these games completely undermanned and then get their games postponed anyway
- picklerick

Yeah, I suppose that’s correct. But, there has to be more to this particular spike. Anyway, I hear the NHL going to change the protocol, I’m not sure that will help.

Im not talking about the virus itself, Im talking about the media people watch that manipulate them one way or the other.

I had COVID end of Sept/first week of Oct, Im vaxxed, it sucked for a week and I was fine after. Hardest part was the sitting at home. However, for my own personal knowledge I did a survey at work of my coworkers that got sick early on/prior to the vaccine and those that got sick after getting the vaccine. It was pretty unanimous, with a couple outliers, that anyone that had the vaccine and got it recovered a lot faster than those that didnt. Furthermore the ones that were vaxxed did have much lingering after effects.
- aecliptic

You seem to know a lot about this so curious, do you feel that by calling the COVID shot a vaccine they are creating the unrealistic expectations of the shot to fully immunize people? They had to change the definition of vaccine to accommodate the shot (which I don’t think many people know). Personally think it was a huge mistake. Call it the COVID shot and explain the benefits and I think you get more buy-in and less backlash.

You seem to know a lot about this so curious, do you feel that by calling the COVID shot a vaccine they are creating the unrealistic expectations of the shot to fully immunize people? They had to change the definition of vaccine to accommodate the shot (which I don’t think many people know). Personally think it was a huge mistake. Call it the COVID shot and explain the benefits and I think you get more buy-in and less backlash.
- TC88

I think you need to lower your expectations for people

You seem to know a lot about this so curious, do you feel that by calling the COVID shot a vaccine they are creating the unrealistic expectations of the shot to fully immunize people? They had to change the definition of vaccine to accommodate the shot (which I don’t think many people know). Personally think it was a huge mistake. Call it the COVID shot and explain the benefits and I think you get more buy-in and less backlash.
- TC88

I said it right from the get go that people were not properly educated on the goals of the vaccine. Yes, the technology behind it is new, however (from what I remember) its been in research and development for over a decade, if not longer. As long as variants exist, full immunity will be impossible to guarantee.

The flu (shot) vaccine has the same function but a lot more variables behind it. Heres the difference, when the COVID shot/vaccine was being developed, there was really only 1 main strain of the virus. There was a lot less guessing about what they were trying to fight. Where as the flu, which has been around for 100 years, has changed 1000 times over which means the scientists in the lab developing the flu shot are making a guess (using the data theyve collected) about how the virus will change, if at all, from the previous years. Some times its on point, some times its not.

I think where they made a mistake was with vaccination mandates. Forcing people to do things, and then giving them ultimatums is where things get sour. What they should have done is vaccine or mask in public places/enclosed spaces, you make the choice. Enforce it with fines like a parking ticket. Places of business should have a sign in the window, like they do with the Dept of Health letter grades, as to whether or not they require vaccination or not. Theres a lot of things that could have been done to make it a bit more palatable.

But but but... every player on every team is FULLY vaccinated. How can players keep getting the Rona if everyone is FULLY vaccinated?!? Oh yeah... the vaccine doesn't work!!
- TheMessiah94

My wife is a nurse and I work for the company that devised the software for the clinical trials so listen up numb nuts. Yes the vaccine does work. Yes there can be break through infections, not out of the realm of possibility. What the vaccine does is lowers the rate of spread in you so that you don't get affected, but and this is an important BUT you can still test positive for it AND still spread it, it's just less likely. Athletes are in close proximity to each other in locker rooms on flights etc... if you have any questions regarding the virus, or vaccines I'd be happy to run them by my wife. I swear some people were just beaten with the stupid stick.

My wife is a nurse and I work for the company that devised the software for the clinical trials so listen up numb nuts. Yes the vaccine does work. Yes there can be break through infections, not out of the realm of possibility. What the vaccine does is lowers the rate of spread in you so that you don't get affected, but and this is an important BUT you can still test positive for it AND still spread it, it's just less likely. Athletes are in close proximity to each other in locker rooms on flights etc... if you have any questions regarding the virus, or vaccines I'd be happy to run them by my wife. I swear some people were just beaten with the stupid stick.
- blueshirts_fan

I hate the term break through when vaccinated people get COVID. What are we breaking through? You got sick, it is what it is. The vaccine isnt impervious, it can be spread, it can be caught. I feel break through is some bs term made up by the media/pharma companies to make people believe that the vaccine is full proof and getting sick is some how an anomoly.

I said it right from the get go that people were not properly educated on the goals of the vaccine. Yes, the technology behind it is new, however (from what I remember) its been in research and development for over a decade, if not longer. As long as variants exist, full immunity will be impossible to guarantee.

The flu (shot) vaccine has the same function but a lot more variables behind it. Heres the difference, when the COVID shot/vaccine was being developed, there was really only 1 main strain of the virus. There was a lot less guessing about what they were trying to fight. Where as the flu, which has been around for 100 years, has changed 1000 times over which means the scientists in the lab developing the flu shot are making a guess (using the data theyve collected) about how the virus will change, if at all, from the previous years. Some times its on point, some times its not.

I think where they made a mistake was with vaccination mandates. Forcing people to do things, and then giving them ultimatums is where things get sour. What they should have done is vaccine or mask in public places/enclosed spaces, you make the choice. Enforce it with fines like a parking ticket. Places of business should have a sign in the window, like they do with the Dept of Health letter grades, as to whether or not they require vaccination or not. Theres a lot of things that could have been done to make it a bit more palatable.
- aecliptic

Thanks for the explanation. Guess my thought is around whether it’s really a vaccine. Vaccines we receive as kids never had asterisks about breakout cases (maybe there are, but we just never hear about them?). But then again, those likely never mutated to your point. Agree with you 100% about the mandates, it brought politics into it and created the divide.

I think you need to lower your expectations for people
- picklerick

Story of my life

Thanks for the explanation. Guess my thought is around whether it’s really a vaccine. Vaccines we receive as kids never had asterisks about breakout cases (maybe there are, but we just never hear about them?). But then again, those likely never mutated to your point. Agree with you 100% about the mandates, it brought politics into it and created the divide.
- TC88

Well, fairly recently, there was an outbreak of measles in certain neighborhoods due to people refusing MMR vaccines for their children.

Well, fairly recently, there was an outbreak of measles in certain neighborhoods due to people refusing MMR vaccines for their children.
- aecliptic

I asked my kids pediatrician if more people are refusing the regular old vaccines for their kids these days (DTAP, measles, hep b, etc) and I saw the soul leave his body. He just nodded and said “I don’t wanna talk about it”

I asked my kids pediatrician if more people are refusing the regular old vaccines for their kids these days (DTAP, measles, hep b, etc) and I saw the soul leave his body. He just nodded and said “I don’t wanna talk about it”
- picklerick

That’s pretty scary. But in a way supports what I was saying about naming the COVID shot (and other mRNA shots) something different.

But all-in-all, I think to aecliptics point, the mandates likely created this hesitancy way more than naming it a vaccine did.

That’s pretty scary. But in a way supports what I was saying about naming the COVID shot (and other mRNA shots) something different.

But all-in-all, I think to aecliptics point, the mandates likely created this hesitancy way more than naming it a vaccine did.
- TC88

AFAIK Mandates only increased the amount of vaccinated people as a lot of holdouts were persuaded to get it done instead of losing their jobs. I think it’s more likely hesitancy increased amongst people who get their information from certain people/sources

That’s pretty scary. But in a way supports what I was saying about naming the COVID shot (and other mRNA shots) something different.

But all-in-all, I think to aecliptics point, the mandates likely created this hesitancy way more than naming it a vaccine did.
- TC88

Crap I hit the flag instead of the quotes...

I think the mandate was the tipping point because you werent just messing with peoples right to choose, but you were now messing with peoples livelihood. Lots of people lost jobs.

Crap I hit the flag instead of the quotes...

I think the mandate was the tipping point because you werent just messing with peoples right to choose, but you were now messing with peoples livelihood. Lots of people lost jobs.
- aecliptic

I disagree, see above.

Also, it’s a really dumb take (by those people, not you) because we were all “mandated” to be vaccinated against tons of things to attend public school.

I disagree, see above.

Also, it’s a really dumb take (by those people, not you) because we were all “mandated” to be vaccinated against tons of things to attend public school.
- picklerick

Think about adding 2-3% unemployment to the existing unemployment rate. These people are completely 'unhireable' because theyre unvaccinated. You have no idea how painful it is at the hospitals right now with the staffing shortages.

Think about adding 2-3% unemployment to the existing unemployment rate. These people are completely 'unhireable' because theyre unvaccinated. You have no idea how painful it is at the hospitals right now with the staffing shortages.
- aecliptic

I’m sure we could get into a long, but respectful, conversation about this but I’m bowing out here. Rather get back to hockey cuz this topic makes me want to sit on a cactus after nearly 2 years of it

Covid bad, people dumb, rangers good

I’m sure we could get into a long, but respectful, conversation about this but I’m bowing out here. Rather get back to hockey cuz this topic makes me want to sit on a cactus after nearly 2 years of it

Covid bad, people dumb, rangers good
- picklerick

This would have been my first ever NYR/NYI game at the Garden. So bummed Ill have to wait.

This would have been my first ever NYR/NYI game at the Garden. So bummed Ill have to wait.
- aecliptic

I saw a preseason matchup once, wasn’t the same. That’s a bummer

I saw a preseason matchup once, wasn’t the same. That’s a bummer
- picklerick

Now the important question? Did the rangers and penguins send a fruit basket to the NHL, as a thank you for the free 2 points in the standings by playing an AHL team, when these games should have been postponed wednesday.

Now the important question? Did the rangers and penguins send a fruit basket to the NHL, as a thank you for the free 2 points in the standings by playing an AHL team, when these games should have been postponed wednesday.
- devfan30

Not sure why you quoted me for that but I thought our game should’ve been postponed

Not sure why you quoted me for that but I thought our game should’ve been postponed
- picklerick

Agreed, I said two days before the game that the NHL should have postponed it. Now, they had an undermanned Isles team raft with COVID absences play and lose to the Rangers, who traveled post game, and the Penguins. What then was the tipping point to now cancel the game?

Not sure why you quoted me for that but I thought our game should’ve been postponed
- picklerick

If I’m being honest I would much rather we play your AHL squad next game. I have no pride.

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
More later tonight, but hearing Montreal has permission to talk to former NYR Jeff Gorton. Do not believe this is for the GM position, but another role. We will see how it develops.

::puts on tin foil hat::

what if the NHL wanted the rangers/isles game to go on so that way the rangers can start losing guys and therefore potentially losing games. we all know the league hates the rangers and figured this was the best way to do it without coming out and saying so.

::puts on tin foil hat::

what if the NHL wanted the rangers/isles game to go on so that way the rangers can start losing guys and therefore potentially losing games. we all know the league hates the rangers and figured this was the best way to do it without coming out and saying so.
- MeltingPlastic