MJLs not wrong. If they were going to "rebuild" you don't trade young players and assets for older players. If you don't like the young players you trade them for picks or other young players. The management isn't entertaining a rebuild.
- rayc16

If someone needs to have it explained to them about the possibility of what can happen with aging players on multi year deals and relatively high cap hits in a cap environment in the NHL. They're either not paying attention or it's something else.

What were the other options? He also wanted to move on. But doesn’t matter. We had to clear cap. Saved 2.3 mil and got a player back that can play in the top 9. Supply goals and better defensively.

So what is you solution? Who would’ve been your cap casualty.

So we can move on and the same nonsense won’t be posted daily. But not surprised. Same people still talking about Ron.
- Peter Richards

Saved 2.3 M per in Cap but added one extra year so pretty much a wash

Watching the Blues on the CI package, I keep wondering what might have been had they not got the booby prize second overall lottery pick and kept Schenn...all the alternate realities that might have occurred..Ughhh
- RajaAmpat

Schenn would not have made a difference over the last few years

Schenn would not have made a difference over the last few years
- THE BLACK HAND

Sure could use him right now

Sure could use him right now
- Dkos

to do what

If someone needs to have it explained to them about the possibility of what can happen with aging players on multi year deals and relatively high cap hits in a cap environment in the NHL. They're either not paying attention or it's something else.
- MJL

Like jvr?

If someone needs to have it explained to them about the possibility of what can happen with aging players on multi year deals and relatively high cap hits in a cap environment in the NHL. They're either not paying attention or it's something else.
- MJL

see ex selke. Just wasting away.

Saved 2.3 M per in Cap but added one extra year so pretty much a wash
- hfc355

We needed to clear additional space.

Who’s talks to people this way.. spent a ton of time around people in the game and no one is disrespectful like this. Not on the ice anyway…
- Joe Nardone

Ha ha. Well, in your circle of buds/colleagues is there a guy who:

1. Will, in response to a list of wagers 2 out of 3 of which are 50:50, accuse the lister of not offering 50:50 wagers?

2. Complain that odds were too favorable for the lister and that lister should "Man up and bring it closer to 50/50" when, in the case of the 1 wager in the list that is not already even money, that would result in making that wager even more favorable to lister?

3. In response to a picture of a former correct prediction by lister, say it was absolutely obvious to all at that time, when said picture shows same guy at that time himself declaring prediction was "virtually impossible?"

4. Then try to wiggle out of this absurd situation by repeatedly arguing, constantly editing and re-editing his posts, not just with me but across a decade and a half, with virtually every poster who has been here?

It is not 1-3 that makes him a legendary wacko. Anyone can misunderstand odds, or be slow on the uptake, or make a mistake. People admit it, or drop the issue, and move on. What makes him a wacko is his belief that by constant arguing, he can change the underlying logic. What makes him a legendary wacko is his persistence of that belief.

Yeah you do not. If there was a guy like that in your circle, I can guarantee he would have heard the truth be told about him on the ice: that he is, on merit, a legendary wack job. He would have heard much worse.

They couldn’t. If they wanted to improve. ANY team can AFFORD any player if the player is a difference maker for that team….JVR although a decent producer was not that player.
- landros 2

Exactly. He fit in perfectly with us.

Schenn would not have made a difference over the last few years
- THE BLACK HAND

clode ex selke Jake Schenn Simmonds all in their prime. A young dynamic player in Ghost. Seems like a pretty good core to build around. Or trade them all. Yet Saint Ronnie whiffed on both.

Jake was obviously the problem. Everything's fine now. Cam is awesome defensively. Stanley Cup here we come!
- Tomahawk

I am sympathetic to what you say, but come on man: there is no major hockey market in North America where they could have had the resuls they did last year and have mgmt sit on their butts and stay the course.

It would be like fiscal hara kiri. Mgmt does not commit fiscal hara kiri. Thats why they are mgmt.

Cliff Cliff Cliff when are you going to comprehend and accept that changing the culture doesn't have to equate to winning.
- hello it's me 2050

He was being sarcastic...

Ha ha. Well, in your circle of buds/colleagues is there a guy who:

1. Will, in response to a list of wagers 2 out of 3 of which are 50:50, accuse the lister of not offering 50:50 wagers?

2. Complain that odds were too favorable for the lister and that lister should "Man up and bring it closer to 50/50" when, in the case of the 1 wager in the list that is not already even money, that would result in making that wager even more favorable to lister?

3. In response to a picture of a former correct prediction by lister, say it was absolutely obvious to all at that time, when said picture shows same guy at that time himself declaring prediction was "virtually impossible?"

4. Then try to wiggle out of this absurd situation by repeatedly arguing, constantly editing and re-editing his posts, not just with me but across a decade and a half, with virtually every poster who has been here?

It is not 1-3 that makes him a legendary wacko. Anyone can misunderstand odds, or be slow on the uptake, or make a mistake. People admit it, or drop the issue, and move on. What makes him a wacko is his belief that by constant arguing, he can change the underlying logic. What makes him a legendary wacko is his persistence of that belief.

Yeah you do not. If there was a guy like that in your circle, I can guarantee he would have heard the truth be told about him on the ice: that he is, on merit, a legendary wack job. He would have heard much worse.
- PT21

You just cant help yourself and have to get personal whenever you're confronted. Despite your self anointed superiority and claims of superior intelligence, even after having it explained to you multiple times. You still can't understand that the comment on odds was not in reference to 50/50 money bet but in regards to the odds of the Flyers winning the Cup in the next 9 years or what ever it was. That's what the bet actually was.

Why would anyone constantly argue with someone they consider a legendary wacko? That's really what is truly reflective of someone.

Schenn would not have made a difference over the last few years
- THE BLACK HAND

Agree. Nor would have keeping Ghost or Jake this year.

to do what
- THE BLACK HAND

To play hockey at the center position.

I am sympathetic to what you say, but come on man: there is no major hockey market in North America where they could have had the resuls they did last year and have mgmt sit on their butts and stay the course.

It would be like fiscal hara kiri. Mgmt does not commit fiscal hara kiri. Thats why they are mgmt.
- PT21

You're being suckered in and naively listening to bad sources. There isn't anyone, Tomahawk included who advocated for zero changes.

He was being sarcastic...
- PT21

wrong as he believes their is no such thing a culture change. It is a myth.

You're being suckered in and naively listening to bad sources. There isn't anyone, Tomahawk included who advocated for zero changes.
- MJL

He should listen to Cliff. Cliff is a good source.

See you going strong at 1:51 in the morning You need to leave your parents basement and get some fresh air.

You just cant help yourself and have to get personal whenever you're confronted. Despite your self anointed superiority and claims of superior intelligence, even after having it explained to you multiple times. You still can't understand that the comment on odds was not in reference to 50/50 money bet but in regards to the odds of the Flyers winning the Cup in the next 9 years or what ever it was. That's what the bet actually was.

Why would anyone constantly argue with someone they consider a legendary wacko? That's really what is truly reflective of someone.
- MJL

Those odds were already 50:50. So, your comment of "Man up and bring it closer to 50/50" makes the same amount of sense that you do in such interactions.

For the vast majority of times in the past year, I routinely ignored you. Why don't I this time around? Simple: politeness, and a hope you would change and not go down the rabbit holes of moronic wack-jobbism.

I am sympathetic to what you say, but come on man: there is no major hockey market in North America where they could have had the resuls they did last year and have mgmt sit on their butts and stay the course.

It would be like fiscal hara kiri. Mgmt does not commit fiscal hara kiri. Thats why they are mgmt.
- PT21

I think it was overly obvious that changes were needed…it does become a challenge to make the ‘right’ changes. Did they move all the ‘right’ guys out and bring in the proper pieces? Did they do enough? Should they have aimed to bring in a difference maker talent? (Easier said then done). I can’t think of one of the guys they moved that would have helped with today’s issues….how do I know this? Because I watched all of them play last year with the same results and they weren’t the answer then….just like they wouldn’t have made us any better today.

Those odds were already 50:50. So, your comment of "Man up and bring it closer to 50/50" makes the same amount of sense that you do in such interactions.


- PT21

It makes perfect sense. You just don't get it. The odds of the Flyers winning the Cup in the next 9 years is not 50/50.

For the vast majority of times in the past year, I routinely ignored you. Why don't I this time around? Simple: politeness, and a hope you would change and not go down the rabbit holes of moronic wack-jobbism.
- PT21

You've never ignored me.

You just cant help yourself and have to get personal whenever you're confronted. Despite your self anointed superiority and claims of superior intelligence, even after having it explained to you multiple times. You still can't understand that the comment on odds was not in reference to 50/50 money bet but in regards to the odds of the Flyers winning the Cup in the next 9 years or what ever it was. That's what the bet actually was.

Why would anyone constantly argue with someone they consider a legendary wacko? That's really what is truly reflective of someone.
- MJL

Didn't he make your list?

Put him on it.

Frost looks to be our savior with his nice passes and skating around on the ice.

It makes perfect sense. You just don't get it. The odds of the Flyers winning the Cup in the next 9 years is not 50/50.



You've never ignored me.

- MJL

So, it is not 50:50. Thats why I should man up and bring it closer to 50:50. Makes perfect sense.

And of course I haven't.

Didn't he make your list?

Put him on it.

Frost looks to be our savior with his nice passes and skating around on the ice.
- konalover711

I am on a different (frank)ing list.

Ok enough of this. Yeah, Frost has looked decent to me, and made some nice, responsible plays in our zone.