Boooooo
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Poor hart. Both he and Jones have been great all year. Just watch, the instant that they can’t compensate for the team’s bad play, people will be calling for us to trade hart and not re sign jones because they suck.

Risto is not the problem at all.
- Peter Richards

You are correct. This team as it stands is better than this. But Provorov is not good QBing the power play...Ghost was better...

Not quite though, right? He had a significant contract (late in the season when he went on waivers) that other teams would have to pick up.
- PT21

Why not quite? It stands to reason if the Flyers had to add draft capital to trade him to the Yotes, that any team could of had him for free unless Fletch just felt in the giving mood before completing the Yotes deal…

Risto is not the problem at all.
- Peter Richards

Not the problem, but also not much of a solution.

Then consider the assets spent to bring him in and the looming cap cost of keeping him... like one step forward, three steps back for the organization.

Afternoon flyers fans. How we doign today? Need to relax and show some patience. Just 2 years away.

What an utter failure all across the board. It is very entertaining seeing a once proud franchise be the equivalent of total poop. But hey tickets are 50% off in December. They can barely give the tickets away. Let the freefall continue

What don't you get. You made the post about Ristolainen and said you don't think he was at fault for any of the 3 goals he was out against on.

Do you not recall the post I made in the first period where I said that they played with basically one line?

This is what happens when you ally yourself with certain entities.
- MJL

And I just watched the reply again, Risto had 3 guys to cover, Sanheim basically did nothing on that play as did Thompson, and Lindblom was too slow getting back because one more stride and he could have cut off that cross ice pass. At the end of the day, its just horrible defensive zone discipline which was plagued this team for year(s). Between this and the turnovers, its amazing the Flyers can win any games at this point. In the end, I agree with you, these players cannot play AVs system, its time for a change if the season is to be salvaged.

Not the problem, but also not much of a solution.

Then consider the assets spent to bring him in and the looming cap cost of keeping him... like one step forward, three steps back for the organization.
- Tomahawk

Comical! You and others ... until Rosen actually becomes a player in this league, the Flyers gave up next to nothing and significantly upgraded their defense.

Hey, the Flyers have scored 3 goals in this game. That's progress, right?

Unfortunately they gave up 4 goals in that period.
- MJL

Flyers a tremendous second period team. 👌

All the right moves were made in the off season. The problem players were moved out and the culture was changed. Fletcher for GM of the year.
- MJL

fletch was right that you cant keep bringing the same players back and expecting different results....now he needs to get the coach right

All the right moves were made in the off season. The problem players were moved out and the culture was changed. Fletcher for GM of the year.
- MJL

I was in favor of finding a number 1 veteran defenseman, like Ellis. A physical second pair defenseman seemed like a good addition. I liked adding a shooter like Atkinson too. Unfortunately it has all turned to poop. This team if awful and I have zero confidence the GM can fix it

You are correct. This team as it stands is better than this. But Provorov is not good QBing the power play...Ghost was better...
- DANCER

I feel like the plan was for Ellis to an the pp and for him to help provy 5 on 5. Were relight back to where we were last year once nisky retired. Zero pp zero transition game

Risto is not the problem at all.
- Peter Richards

No he’s not. He’s a solid top 4…which is why he cost them a 1rst rnd pick plus.

I was in favor of finding a number 1 veteran defenseman, like Ellis. A physical second pair defenseman seemed like a good addition. I liked adding a shooter like Atkinson too. Unfortunately it has all turned to poop. This team if awful and I have zero confidence the GM can fix it
- Dkos

I agree. Some changes had to be made and the moves were logical. Haven’t worked. I don’t expect the gm to wear it though. Likely the coaching staff.

Why not quite? It stands to reason if the Flyers had to add draft capital to trade him to the Yotes, that any team could of had him for free unless Fletch just felt in the giving mood before completing the Yotes deal…
- landros 2

Fine. I see your point. I thought you were talking about the clearing of waivers.

Comical! You and others ... until Rosen actually becomes a player in this league, the Flyers gave up next to nothing and significantly upgraded their defense.
- jd250

With such a significant upgrade I'm shocked they still need the goalies to bail them out twenty or so times a night.

I feel like the plan was for Ellis to an the pp and for him to help provy 5 on 5. Were relight back to where we were last year once nisky retired. Zero pp zero transition game
- Hextall271

Yes, the Ellis injury has been a killer for the Flyers, because he is such a good player that solves so many problems on this team, top pairing minutes, solid defenseman, good PP and PK player, good on the transition. Between Ellis out and Seeler in, its killing this team rght now!

And I just watched the reply again, Risto had 3 guys to cover, Sanheim basically did nothing on that play as did Thompson, and Lindblom was too slow getting back because one more stride and he could have cut off that cross ice pass. At the end of the day, its just horrible defensive zone discipline which was plagued this team for year(s). Between this and the turnovers, its amazing the Flyers can win any games at this point. In the end, I agree with you, these players cannot play AVs system, its time for a change if the season is to be salvaged.
- jd250

Can’t blame the d when Thompson made a perfect pass to their d man with a blind back hand pass from his own corner…WTF

Why not quite? It stands to reason if the Flyers had to add draft capital to trade him to the Yotes, that any team could of had him for free unless Fletch just felt in the giving mood before completing the Yotes deal…
- landros 2

It was known Fletch wanted to move Ghost and Arizona had the room and they stuck it to Fletch by requiring the 2nd round pick.
Very much unlike when Edmonton HAD to deal Talbot to get guys off IR and Fletch didn't get any picks in return.
I don't think Fletch is terrible, but I heard this organization say they were ready to "win now" when they fired Hextall. It's been 3 years.... same issues plague this team.

You are correct. This team as it stands is better than this. But Provorov is not good QBing the power play...Ghost was better...
- DANCER

Would’ve thought handle would be better there than he has. Also hurts even more that Ellis is out.

Hasn’t been the same since simmer left.

With such a significant upgrade I'm shocked they still the goalies to bail them out twenty or so times a night.
- Tomahawk

I still think they are better then last year…but they still aren’t good enough.

With such a significant upgrade I'm shocked they still the goalies to bail them out twenty or so times a night.
- Tomahawk

another comical statement ... the problems on this team currently have nothing to do with Risto right now

Can’t blame the d when Thompson made a perfect pass to their d man with a blind back hand pass from his own corner…WTF
- landros 2

That guy is trying a no look backhand shovel pass right up the middle of the ice. Think not just of the pass, but the gall to try it there.

I don't know what to make of this.
Even with the injuries, which every team has to deal with, this team consistently appears to be outworked. Are they universally that slow? Are they lazy? Is the system that disorganized? Or are they incapable of executing?

I doubt the defensive zone break out scheme is predicated on a soft chip up the boards to a winger with his back to the blue line. Or that in the defensive zone when play is reversed up the far boards that the other team's defenseman is there well before our winger.

They just get beaten on too many puck battles and our forwards are too easily ridden off the puck by the other team's defensemen. This team is softer and slower than the Pillsbury Dough Boy.

One of Konecny or Farabee should be traded. Fairly skilled players whose work effort is inconsistent. They're easily taken off the puck and don't win many puck battles. They both have a tendency to be out of position in the defensive zone, causing them to run around aimlessly. They get spent in, get tired and then make poor puck decisions leading to giveaways. They're basically the same player. We don't need both of them.
- GeorgeBailey

That breakout is 100% by design....AV just refuses to change it. There's a reason opposing forwards know they can pressure and cut off the outlet passes being rimmed around the boards. The fwd is always stationary, awaiting a pass.....

AV has never been a coach that is good at making adjustments, be it systems or personnel choices and it's just continuing with the Flyers. It's why he was relieved of his duties in NY and Vancouver. His tenure lasted a little longer with those organizations though, as both those teams had previous coaches that developed solid defensive play prior to AV coming in....and not to mention guys named Luongo and Lundqvist.

another comical statement ... the problems on this team currently have nothing to do with Risto right now
- jd250

Flyers main problem is that they never have the puck. Risto hasn't helped.

Not the problem, but also not much of a solution.

Then consider the assets spent to bring him in and the looming cap cost of keeping him... like one step forward, three steps back for the organization.
- Tomahawk

Have to give to get.