Insert any name picked 12 before and 12 after in that draft and you can say the same thing
- THE BLACK HAND

theres a bunch of guys drafted after rubstov id rather have, they might not be impact players but they are nhl players......german, not so much

You're not doing yourself any favors here. If Hextall had made a pick in the same draft as Provorov was taken that didn't work out, would you have criticized him for it? Of course you would so it's fair to give credit for the quality pick. You also don't do yourself any favors when in a previous post, you single out the Rubtsov pick, but don't look at the quality of the draft as a factor. Can't pick what's not there. There were a couple of players taken later that turned out any good.

In Hextall's time, he drafted a potential franchise goalie. A top pairing defenseman. A 2nd pairing defenseman. 2 top 6 caliber NHL forwards. 4 other NHL players with the potential for 3 more. Also signed an undrafted UFA that they developed into an NHL player that they used to trade for Ellis. That's 10 NHL players added with the potential for 3 more still in 4 1/2 years as GM.
- MJL

The draft after him went Provy werenski Meier rantananen, Flyers were in a major need for a Dman it was an easy pick. And you can say that werenski and rantanan are better picks, 100% rantanen. I’m not slapping his back for that pick man. He was average , that’s it.

No team hits on every 1st round pick. Go ahead and do some research. Look at that 2016 draft and how crappy it was. What else you got?
- MJL

So because it was a "crappy" draft that gets saint Ronnie off the hook in your eyes. Well Saint Ronnie was always the smartest guy in the room; why didn't he trade it if such a "crappy" draft?

If Saint Ronnie asked would you oh nevermind.

The draft after him went Provy werenski Meier rantananen, Flyers were in a major need for a Dman it was an easy pick. And you can say that werenski and rantanan are better picks, 100% rantanen. I’m not slapping his back for that pick man. He was average , that’s it.
- ClaudeFather

Well then you're simply not being objective. A good pick is a good pick. Simple as that. Hextall drafted a top pairing defenseman who is the teams best defenseman. That's the undeniable facts.

The draft after him went Provy werenski Meier rantananen, Flyers were in a major need for a Dman it was an easy pick. And you can say that werenski and rantanan are better picks, 100% rantanen. I’m not slapping his back for that pick man. He was average , that’s it.
- ClaudeFather

8 first round picks and we have some mediocre players out of it. and a couple good ones and a few awful ones, sounds like stellar drafting.

You're not doing yourself any favors here. If Hextall had made a pick in the same draft as Provorov was taken that didn't work out, would you have criticized him for it? Of course you would so it's fair to give credit for the quality pick. You also don't do yourself any favors when in a previous post, you single out the Rubtsov pick, but don't look at the quality of the draft as a factor. Can't pick what's not there. There were a couple of players taken later that turned out any good.

In Hextall's time, he drafted a potential franchise goalie. A top pairing defenseman. A 2nd pairing defenseman. 2 top 6 caliber NHL forwards. 4 other NHL players with the potential for 3 more. Also signed an undrafted UFA that they developed into an NHL player that they used to trade for Ellis. That's 10 NHL players added with the potential for 3 more still in 4 1/2 years as GM.
- MJL

Get off hs jock already Cliff.

All your opinion as well Cliff. Not a fact.

I think the current roster is just as hard to watch, at least with those rosters you knew what you were getting; with this current team, the box of chocolates that hits the ice maybe Godiva or dog food; and sometimes both in the same game
- corduroy

Well at least there is some chocolate on this team. Dog food is still dog food.

theres a bunch of guys drafted after rubstov id rather have, they might not be impact players but they are nhl players......german, not so much
- bradster

Im sure that any other potential picks would have suffered the same slate of injuries GR did...

Well then you're simply not being objective. A good pick is a good pick. Simple as that. Hextall drafted a top pairing defenseman who is the teams best defenseman. That's the undeniable facts.
- MJL

I am being objective, he didn’t do anything to get this team out of mediocrity. Granted they put themselves right back into cap hell, we don’t have anything close to replacing Giroux after all these years. What was the plan, keep drafting at 15? I’ll tell you one thing, no committee of Joel Farabee Provorov Morgan Frost and Travis Sanheim is winning you jack sh!t in this league and that’s a fact

Well at least there is some chocolate on this team. Dog food is still dog food.
- SuperSchennBros

love the chocolate

8 first round picks and we have some mediocre players out of it. and a couple good ones and a few awful ones, sounds like stellar drafting.
- bradster

i will never understand the praise for ronnie, didnt do great, awful management style, and no clue of how a team should be constructed, and his love for the vandevelds umbergers made zero sense to me. Trading schenn for draft picks while not going full rebuild, it seemed like he had no end goal, and no i dont consider a 15 yr rebuild a goal.

I am being objective, he didn’t do anything to get this team out of mediocrity. Granted they put themselves right back into cap hell, we don’t have anything close to replacing Giroux after all these years. What was the plan, keep drafting at 15? I’ll tell you one thing, no committee of Joel Farabee Provorov Morgan Frost and Travis Sanheim is winning you jack sh!t in this league and that’s a fact
- ClaudeFather

Should have went after Eichel to compliment ex selke. Gonna be fun watching him waste away in this wasteland.

i will never understand the praise for ronnie, didnt do great, awful management style, and no clue of how a team should be constructed, and his love for the vandevelds umbergers made zero sense to me. Trading schenn for draft picks while not going full rebuild, it seemed like he had no end goal, and no i dont consider a 15 yr rebuild a goal.
- bradster

Well in all fairness Saint Ronnie did invent the draft an develop strategy.....he had no plan. His plan was based on hope.

Get off hs jock already Cliff.

All your opinion as well Cliff. Not a fact.
- hello it's me 2050

If you remember the discussion when Jefferson and Reagor were both available, there were some concerns that Jefferson would be more of a slot receiver in the NFL, and they needed an outside threat. They rolled the die on a unpolished, raw talent with speed. It was a gamble. I am not familiar enough with College ball to offer an educated opinion on whether it was justifiable.

Based on what I see now though, they really didn't do their due diligence, or did it really badly. Reagor has honestly only one thing going for him now: the position he was drafted in.

Which is a pity, because this kid Watkins is fast and competitive and has good hands. He is a bad route runner but he is way better than Reagor. If those throws go to him, he makes one of them for sure.
- PT21

I do remember those comparisons…but like yourself I don’t follow the college ball as closely. I remember hoping they would draft a WR…. But that was it.

I am being objective, he didn’t do anything to get this team out of mediocrity. Granted they put themselves right back into cap hell, we don’t have anything close to replacing Giroux after all these years. What was the plan, keep drafting at 15? I’ll tell you one thing, no committee of Joel Farabee Provorov Morgan Frost and Travis Sanheim is winning you jack sh!t in this league and that’s a fact
- ClaudeFather

Hextall was fired before the process was allowed to be seen through. That was a huge mistake in my opinion. With the situation that Hextall was left with, to expect Hextall to completely turn it around in 4 1/2 years was unreasonable. You see where we still are. It's speculation but I believe that if Hextall was not fired, the team would be in a better spot right now. I bet if you put any of the players you named on a good team, they would be integral parts of that team. They're good players for where they were drafted. We'll find out about Frost. How would you suggest that they get a higher pick? Would you support a tank? I wouldn't. I also don't support the current level of mis-management. Hextall set the team up with a good foundation to build with.

I made my post about him weeks back, he was extremely mediocre. Hart is great obviously, Provy was a loaded top 10, TK and Sanheim are nice picks but it’s a ton of nothing, the center depth essentially went extinct which is horrible and killing this team. He didn’t do a good job, he was average, at best.
- ClaudeFather

This is spot on.

8 first round picks and we have some mediocre players out of it. and a couple good ones and a few awful ones, sounds like stellar drafting.
- bradster

Hey a good pick is a good pick…that’s it…what is Nolan Patrick?

Hextall was fired before the process was allowed to be seen through. That was a huge mistake in my opinion. With the situation that Hextall was left with, to expect Hextall to completely turn it around in 4 1/2 years was unreasonable. You see where we still are. It's speculation but I believe that if Hextall was not fired, the team would be in a better spot right now. I bet if you put any of the players you named on a good team, they would be integral parts of that team. They're good players for where they were drafted. We'll find out about Frost. How would you suggest that they get a higher pick? Would you support a tank? I wouldn't. I also don't support the current level of mis-management. Hextall set the team up with a good foundation to build with.
- MJL

I would fully support a tank. The drafting at 15 thing wasn’t going anywhere. Whatever this is now is even worse , I’ll give you that. Wasn’t allowed to be seen through, what was he going to be given, 7 years to get some quality players? Where is the guy, the Giroux , coming from? You can’t win with a bunch of TKs and Sanheims. Would we have gotten a marquee free agent, idk.

Who would thunk it.

Pretty simple, the Devils are up and coming but the Flyers should be better. After playing the heavyweights in a string of game this game is the game you win, no BS, no injury excuses, you play well and you win.

Who would of thought this game va the Devils would be this important

If not, the sky is falling

I would fully support a tank. The drafting at 15 thing wasn’t going anywhere. Whatever this is now is even worse , I’ll give you that. Wasn’t allowed to be seen through, what was he going to be given, 7 years to get some quality players? Where is the guy, the Giroux , coming from? You can’t win with a bunch of TKs and Sanheims. Would we have gotten a marquee free agent, idk.
- ClaudeFather

I would never support a tank. Hextall was left with a barren prospect base and the team in a bad cap situation from Holmgren. It took 3+ years just to get that headed in the right direction. Here we are, 7 years or so after Hextall was hired. Guess where they're headed and what they're going to have to do? Good luck with the cap anchors.

I would never support a tank. Hextall was left with a barren prospect base and the team in a bad cap situation from Holmgren. It took 3+ years just to get that headed in the right direction. Here we are, 7 years or so after Hextall was hired.
- MJL

I agree with most of what you say here but Hextalls grade to me is still incomplete. While he drafted nhl players, to date, he missed on building quality depth and while Provy is top pair, he is still not a clear #1, Hart might be a top 5 goalie but is not at this point. His NHL players still need time and so do some of his lower picks. Other mistake, when he sent Schenn out, one of jake or Simmer had to go also, easy for me to say now

I would fully support a tank. The drafting at 15 thing wasn’t going anywhere. Whatever this is now is even worse , I’ll give you that. Wasn’t allowed to be seen through, what was he going to be given, 7 years to get some quality players? Where is the guy, the Giroux , coming from? You can’t win with a bunch of TKs and Sanheims. Would we have gotten a marquee free agent, idk.
- ClaudeFather

the problem is, ronnie had 5 years of drafting and developing, and probably top management saw ronnie picked no difference makers in that time and realized HExtall just wasted that time without getting much out of it. Maybe homer knew before anyone that Sandheim was just ok, and provy not a legit #1 that ronnie thought they would be so time to cut the cord. And with his culture of backstabbing and spying, that crap shouldnt be tolerated in any sort of business.

I would never support a tank. Hextall was left with a barren prospect base and the team in a bad cap situation from Holmgren. It took 3+ years just to get that headed in the right direction. Here we are, 7 years or so after Hextall was hired. Guess where they're headed and what they're going to have to do? Good luck with the cap anchors.
- MJL

It’s over, the organization has become a pathetic mess.

I agree with most of what you say here but Hextalls grade to me is still incomplete. While he drafted nhl players, to date, he missed on building quality depth and while Provy is top pair, he is still not a clear #1, Hart might be a top 5 goalie but is not at this point. His NHL players still need time and so do some of his lower picks. Other mistake, when he sent Schenn out, one of jake or Simmer had to go also, easy for me to say now
- wcorvette

He could've traded Simmons earlier. I'll give you that. He wasn't perfect.