It gives you a 86% chance of winning the superbowl in the last 29 years. Wanna guess how I did that Math?

Damn thought I was done with this….
- ZiggyBuff

See, I was going to say 80% pulling the number out of thin air and decided on 3/4 Super Bowls. Turns out, that number is much higher.

i love digging into stuff like this...keeps me on my toes
- Michael Pachla

You bring up excellent points. 🤝

Yep, you're right.

Wish the bills had those guys over Kelly right?

There are always examples that buck the system, thanks for pointing in out.
- Boss34

NFL playoffs are a series of one game sample sizes.

If an elite defence can minimize an elite QB, all the other QB has to do is score more points on their defence no ?

Having an Elite QB generally means you have a longer window of opportunity than most teams.

However, without an elite defence, you’re much more likely than not to win a ring.

That’s why Brady has so many rings, and that’s why Flacco has as many rings as many HOF’ers despite the Ravens not being a perennial playoff team while he was there.

can you name any wr's that played with sanders?...or any of their coaches...or how their defenses ranked?...how about tight ends?
- Michael Pachla

Michael, I agreed with you.

Then went on to say Sanders was the only reason those teams were competitive.

Then went on to say the difference between Sanders and Thomas was QB play.

You have honest to god become one of the worst people to have a discussion with on here since you stopped blogging, I don't know what happened to you Pach, but you used to be great to engage with, but your last 6 months especially have been some bitter, arguing for the sake of arguing type of posts where you incessantly ask questions that people actually answer, only for you to go off and ignore almost every single point they've made.

Seriously man, what gives?

Yep, you're right.

Wish the bills had those guys over Kelly right?

There are always examples that buck the system, thanks for pointing in out.
- Boss34

if it meant winning a superbowl, which they all did, as opposed to losing four straight...


absofukinlutely

I disagree with Homie - Dan Marino didn't play in the passer-era, he ushered that era into the NFL over the course of his career.

The longevity, stats, success of Brady place him in the top-3 and that cannot be argued. However, I think last year he solidified himself as the best to ever play the game.

People forget Peyton's early playoff struggles. He was absolutely dreadful. He was 3-6 his first 6 years in the playoffs and even the year he won the Super Bowl he was god awful, throwing 3 TD's and 7 INT's. But that Super Bowl came down to two people: Peyton Manning vs. Rex Grossman. Playing a top-5 defense, and with a bottom-10 defense, the elite QB won, even despite his non-elite play.

Any list has to have Manning and Brady in the top-5, arguably top-3. The 3rd guy on that list is what's hard to argue.

I put Manning, Rodgers, Young and Marino in the same category. All numbers guys who should have had way more playoffs success and won more championships than they did.

Then you have the Brady, Bradshaw, Rothlisbergers and Montanas. Guys who put up solid numbers and managed the gameplan to perfection, with a few all-time great seasons for their time.

Then you have your Eli Mannings, Troy Aikmans, Joe Flaccos and Nick Foles types. Average QB's who can turn it up a notch in the playoffs and had everything go right for them while playing out of their minds.

Finally, the Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfers of the world. Baby, even the losers get lucky sometimes.

However, we've beaten this argument to death. Almost all Super Bowl QB's except for a few have been HoF players, elite at their position. Almost all Super Bowl and regular season MVP's have been QB's. Despite all of the other factors that have led to NFL Championships - Elite defense, run and stop the run, etc... The one thing that holds constant throughout NFL history is the team with the better QB wins 3/4 times, and you need elite QB play to have continual success in the NFL.

Brady
Manning
Montana
Marino
Rodgers


Off the top of my head. Those are the 5 names that came to me.
- BeadyEyedDouche

I think Marino took what Fauts did and raised it to a new level

My top 5 QBs ever according to espn

Mahomes
Mahomes
Mahomes
Mac Jones
Mahomes

Michael, I agreed with you.

Then went on to say Sanders was the only reason those teams were competitive.

Then went on to say the difference between Sanders and Thomas was QB play.

You have honest to god become one of the worst people to have a discussion with on here since you stopped blogging, I don't know what happened to you Pach, but you used to be great to engage with, but your last 6 months especially have been some bitter, arguing for the sake of arguing type of posts where you incessantly ask questions that people actually answer, only for you to go off and ignore almost every single point they've made.

Seriously man, what gives?
- BeadyEyedDouche

i fit right in with everyone else?

Michael, I agreed with you.

Then went on to say Sanders was the only reason those teams were competitive.

Then went on to say the difference between Sanders and Thomas was QB play.

You have honest to god become one of the worst people to have a discussion with on here since you stopped blogging, I don't know what happened to you Pach, but you used to be great to engage with, but your last 6 months especially have been some bitter, arguing for the sake of arguing type of posts where you incessantly ask questions that people actually answer, only for you to go off and ignore almost every single point they've made.

Seriously man, what gives?
- BeadyEyedDouche

You need to seriously look it the mirror bee dee.

You criticize everyone.

My top 5 QBs ever according to espn

Mahomes
Mahomes
Mahomes
Mac Jones
Mahomes
- Sabretooth9

You left out Mahomes

You left out Mahomes
- c1067

NFL playoffs are a series of one game sample sizes.

If an elite defence can minimize an elite QB, all the other QB has to do is score more points on their defence no ?

Having an Elite QB generally means you have a longer window of opportunity than most teams.

However, without an elite defence, you’re much more likely than not to win a ring.

That’s why Brady has so many rings, and that’s why Flacco has as many rings as many HOF’ers despite the Ravens not being a perennial playoff team while he was there.
- Pegullaville

They went to the playoffs 5 out of 6 years dude you seriously just make stuff up constantly, which makes all of this worse. We are all doing research and providing accurate information, but you just keep missing into the wind and claiming that you're smarter than the rest of us because you figured out how to shower AND relieve yourself at the same time and while the rest of us keep telling you that you're covered in piss, you start a one-man parade across town declaring yourself the winner.

NFL playoffs are a series of one game sample sizes.

- Pegullaville

yup

if fouts didn't have to play in 50 below weather vs the bengals in the afc title game, montana may have 1 less super bowl ring

i fit right in with everyone else?
- Michael Pachla

You need to seriously look it the mirror bee dee.

You criticize everyone.
- Boss34

I am the mirror, Boss

if it meant winning a superbowl, which they all did, as opposed to losing four straight...


absofukinlutely
- Michael Pachla

it's ironic that peggy says it means nothing if you don't win the superbowl

yet feels marino is the best qb of all time


I mean which is it?

I think Marino took what Fauts did and raised it to a new level
- homiedclown

For sure. but Fouts was a unicorn, even then. They happen once every few decades. Fouts, Brady, Josh Allen....

if it meant winning a superbowl, which they all did, as opposed to losing four straight...


absofukinlutely
- Michael Pachla

We lost too better coaching also.

Coaches put together game plans that allowed those scrubs to succeed.

I still think Frank Reich (not elite) may have field generaled us into a win....

Kelly had some bad "big games"

I disagree with Homie - Dan Marino didn't play in the passer-era, he ushered that era into the NFL over the course of his career.

The longevity, stats, success of Brady place him in the top-3 and that cannot be argued. However, I think last year he solidified himself as the best to ever play the game.

People forget Peyton's early playoff struggles. He was absolutely dreadful. He was 3-6 his first 6 years in the playoffs and even the year he won the Super Bowl he was god awful, throwing 3 TD's and 7 INT's. But that Super Bowl came down to two people: Peyton Manning vs. Rex Grossman. Playing a top-5 defense, and with a bottom-10 defense, the elite QB won, even despite his non-elite play.

Any list has to have Manning and Brady in the top-5, arguably top-3. The 3rd guy on that list is what's hard to argue.

I put Manning, Rodgers, Young and Marino in the same category. All numbers guys who should have had way more playoffs success and won more championships than they did.

Then you have the Brady, Bradshaw, Rothlisbergers and Montanas. Guys who put up solid numbers and managed the gameplan to perfection, with a few all-time great seasons for their time.

Then you have your Eli Mannings, Troy Aikmans, Joe Flaccos and Nick Foles types. Average QB's who can turn it up a notch in the playoffs and had everything go right for them while playing out of their minds.

Finally, the Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfers of the world. Baby, even the losers get lucky sometimes.

However, we've beaten this argument to death. Almost all Super Bowl QB's except for a few have been HoF players, elite at their position. Almost all Super Bowl and regular season MVP's have been QB's. Despite all of the other factors that have led to NFL Championships - Elite defense, run and stop the run, etc... The one thing that holds constant throughout NFL history is the team with the better QB wins 3/4 times, and you need elite QB play to have continual success in the NFL.

Brady
Manning
Montana
Marino
Rodgers


Off the top of my head. Those are the 5 names that came to me.
- BeadyEyedDouche

For sure. but Fouts was a unicorn, even then. They happen once every few decades. flaco, bridgewater, brad johnson
- BeadyEyedDouche

oh my

it's ironic that peggy says it means nothing if you don't win the superbowl

yet feels marino is the best qb of all time


I mean which is it?
- homiedclown

Marino would have won a Super Bowl if Ray Finkle just would have made that field goal.

They went to the playoffs 5 out of 6 years dude you seriously just make stuff up constantly, which makes all of this worse. We are all doing research and providing accurate information, but you just keep missing into the wind and claiming that you're smarter than the rest of us because you figured out how to shower AND relieve yourself at the same time and while the rest of us keep telling you that you're covered in piss, you start a one-man parade across town declaring yourself the winner.
- BeadyEyedDouche

Not only that-

Flacco was great that postseason

AND that “elite defense” gave up 31 points in the Super Bowl

Flacco throwing for 287 and 3 TD’s is the reason they won

It’s a horrible example of what he’s trying to prove

Marino would have won a Super Bowl if Ray Finkle just would have made that field goal.
- c1067

Sabres sign Jankowski to a NHL contract

Sabres sign Jankowski to a NHL contract
- Leninthebuff

But is he an elite QB that can win a SUPERBOWL ?