I mean, Brady left NE and immediately won a SB without the GOAT, so...
- Wetbandit1

Another fantastic supporting cast too.

You think Aaron would have won last year with that defence and getting to throw the ball to Evans, Brown, Godwin, Gronk ?

poop Aaron almost beat Tom regardless of it, but his coach had small hands and kicked the FG

I mean, Brady left NE and immediately won a SB without the GOAT, so...
- Wetbandit1

there is a reason why gronk and brown came out of retirement to play with brady, instead of rodgers, or any other qb

Another fantastic supporting cast too.

You think Aaron would have won last year with that defence and getting to throw the ball to Evans, Brown, Godwin, Gronk ?

poop Aaron almost beat Tom regardless of it, but his coach had small hands and kicked the FG
- Pegullaville

Do you think any other QB could have gone down there and taken them to the Super Bowl and won it, first season?

If you do, then this argument is over.

Do you think any other QB could have gone down there and taken them to the Super Bowl and won it, first season?

If you do, then this argument is over.
- BeadyEyedDouche

teddy would have done it

How am I wrong for saying that Tom Brady is only better than Rodgers because he was handed top 10 if not top 5 defences year after year, when Rodgers has been handed a top 10 defence like once or twice ?

How many of those Tom Brady playoff games does he lose if it weren’t for Bill B’s defences or even having the best kicker of all time in Adam Vinateri ?

How many times did Rodgers get bailed out in the playoffs ? I can tell you how many times he posted 120+ better QBR and still lost cause his team stunk.

Peyton Manning goes 13-3, gets hurt and then Jim Caldwell gets fired after going 2-14.

How many times did Peyton carry John Fox’s jockstrap year after year.

Yet Tom Brady goes from Bill B to Bruce Arians and one elite defence to another.
- Pegullaville

Again this is ignoring how great Brady has been for how long.

Defenses are part of the reason he’s won championships

It’s not the reason he’s the all time leader in multiple passing categories

teddy would have done it
- homiedclown

How could I have forgotten about 30-0 Teddy B in Jerryland my bad fam

Again this is ignoring how great Brady has been for how long.

Defenses are part of the reason he’s won championships

It’s not the reason he’s the all time leader in multiple passing categories
- sbroads24

Yeah but he probably played bottom-10 defenses not just in every one of those Super Bowls but in every game he ever played so

Yup Brady is by far the best. It’s not even close
- Sabretooth9

The best in his era. He would have been retired by age 34 if he played in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s.

there is a reason why gronk and brown came out of retirement to play with brady, instead of rodgers, or any other qb
- homiedclown

Do you think climate also played a factor?

teddy would have done it
- homiedclown

About to be 6-5 and one game out of the AFC West lead.

Smoked Prescott and Herbert.

Good thing Dallas and LA have elite QB’s though to score a combined 7 points in 8 quarters during meaningful football

Do you think climate also played a factor?
- c1067

cherry on top

no brady, probably they stayed retired

Another fantastic supporting cast too.

You think Aaron would have won last year with that defence and getting to throw the ball to Evans, Brown, Godwin, Gronk ?

poop Aaron almost beat Tom regardless of it, but his coach had small hands and kicked the FG
- Pegullaville

Dude more excuses. 25 out of the last 29 superbowls have been HOF QB’s.

The key to winning a superbowl is having a Elite QB under center.

Im out of this argument. We just got to live with pegville being different. All people matter!

Smoked Prescott l
- Pegullaville

not sayin much

The best in his era. He would have been retired by age 34 if he played in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s.
- c1067

This is such a load of crap lol

It's like saying Gretzky wouldn't have even scored 20 goals in today's NHL. Okay, pump the brakes, he might not have scored 92, but he would have been a 50-goal, 100-point guy every single year.

Likewise, might as well say Ovechkin wouldn't have scored 50-goals in the 70's-era NHL but we all know he would have been putting up 100 a year playing against those goalies and would absolutely be dominating physically even then.

I just never understand this "If player X played in Era X he wouldn't be X" argument. It's literally impossible to know.

About to be 6-5 and one game out of the AFC West lead.

Smoked Prescott and Herbert.

Good thing Dallas and LA have elite QB’s though to score a combined 7 points in 8 quarters during meaningful football
- Pegullaville

According to you, the only meaningful football happens after you've won the Super Bowl, which the Broncos will never do as along as Teddy (frank)ing Bridgewater is their QB.

Um....

One guy around here kinda stated that tom Brady wasn't elite......

Not elite = maybe not the goat either.

Brady would be a running back on a 110 yard field if someone had their way.....
- Boss34

that's not true...it started with the philly/giants game and a failure to look at the eagles offense in it's totality (3 int's by hurts, with two of them in the red zone) and devolved from there...

he never said that brady was not an elite quarterback, what he did point out was that in some of his wins his play wasn't elite...he mentioned peyton's win with denver recognizing he was an elite qb but did not have an elite game in that sb win...

way too much getting twisted

not sayin much
- homiedclown

How many QB’s are playing better than Prescott this year ?

About to be 6-5 and one game out of the AFC West lead.

Smoked Prescott and Herbert.

Good thing Dallas and LA have elite QB’s though to score a combined 7 points in 8 quarters during meaningful football
- Pegullaville

Yeah, it is a good thing for them.

Are you honestly saying you wouldn’t prefer to have them?

How many QB’s are playing better than Prescott this year ?
- Pegullaville

more then a few

Barry Sanders, but in any event they both played in an era where it WAS run and stop the run.

Who's the best of the pass happy era? Peterson probably, and he doesn't have one either because they didn't have a QB. He had Christian Ponder, Tarvaris Jackson, Gus Ferotte, a washed up Donovan McNabb, Matt Cassel, and a 97 year old Brett Favre who almost took them to a SB in a resurgence year; Peterson had a 2000 yard season and they got beat by, wait for it, Aaron Rodgers in the Wild Card with Ponder at the helm.
- Wetbandit1

point taken...but without looking can you name any of the qb's that sanders played with and after naming any, can you honestly say that they were anything more than below average?

point taken...but without looking can you name any of the qb's that sanders played with and after naming any, can you honestly say that they were anything more than below average?
- Michael Pachla

peete, mitchell and batch

stink
stank
stunk

Montana, Staubach, Unitas and Bradshaw probably disagree


Marino was the best passer in a passing era but those guys were just as good of qb's as Marino
- homiedclown

no way...marino tops them...can't say anything about johnny u, but staubach and bradshaw were great, but not as good as marino, imo...

i put brady in the joe montana category (and above him) for the way he precisely ran the offense of a hall of fame coach (in his case, the g.o.a.t)...rogers goes in the marino/fouts category of incredibly gifted passers who did things very few others could do...

peyton is a hybrid and needs to be considered one of the greatest ever

point taken...but without looking can you name any of the qb's that sanders played with and after naming any, can you honestly say that they were anything more than below average?
- Michael Pachla

I actually can, but I won't, because it might summon the 4 horsemen.

However, they were all terrible. Barry Sanders is the only reason those teams ever finished with a winning record.

However, once again, the issue of QB gets raised. If Barry Sanders had a competent QB even one season in Detroit, he might have actually seen some kind of success in the post-season.

QB was the difference between the careers of Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders. And being an elite RB got neither of them anywhere.

Marino definitely thru a nice pretty ball.
He was a great qb.

How can you be the best without winning at least 1 superbowl?

The object is to win championships. Pretty simple
- Boss34

like dilfer, b. johnson, jeff hostetler, joe flacco, mark rypien?

no way...marino tops them...can't say anything about johnny u, but staubach and bradshaw were great, but not as good as marino, imo...

i put brady in the joe montana category (and above him) for the way he precisely ran the offense of a hall of fame coach (in his case, the g.o.a.t)...rogers goes in the marino/fouts category of incredibly gifted passers who did things very few others could do...

peyton is a hybrid and needs to be considered one of the greatest ever
- Michael Pachla

Swann and Stallworth made Bradshaw look better than he was