Can you provide an example of a GM who’s won more than one Championship, was able to stock and develop prospects, continue to add depth to the roster to win or try to win another cup and all the while keeping the salary cap in good standing?
- paulr

How many yrs after winning a cup do you find it acceptable for a team not to win a playoff game and simultaneously not accrue any prospects of note?

Can you provide an example of a GM who’s won more than one Championship, was able to stock and develop prospects, continue to add depth to the roster to win or try to win another cup and all the while keeping the salary cap in good standing?
- paulr

People who pay a lot more attention to prospect pools on other teams can help me out, but...

Seems like the aforementioned Pittsburgh team did OK at that. They're dropping off now within their own Core, so we'll see how they have done with prospects, but they seemed to stay more consistently competitive (at least making the playoffs) during the same era in which the Hawks were dominating.

Tampa also seemed to get a couple of bites at the apple at different points in the same era. We'll see how they do in the next few years after winning the last couple.

Kings, Anaheim, San Jose, NYR, seemed to suffer the same fate as Hawks.

And I could see them moving Kubalik by the deadline, especially if it's true that he wants out.
- 333inthe3rd

Sorry if I missed this in my daily readings and news scouring but did Kubalik really ask to be traded?

Debrusk requests trade


Ryan Rishaug
@TSNRyanRishaug
Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request
- ikeane

I don’t have anything to substantiate this but perhaps the Blackhawks scout at yesterday’s Bruins game was observing DeBrusk.

Maybe a Strome for DeBrusk swap? Both are on expiring contracts. DeBrusk makes $675K more. Not sure if this would be an upgrade for either team though.

Sorry if I missed this in my daily readings and news scouring but did Kubalik really ask to be traded?
- Theo Fox

Not a thing on Twitter that would indicate that...wild, if so

Wonder what the rationale is? Wants to be on a line where someone is just constantly feeding him for the one-timer?

As a former Arthur Andersen employee and the daughter and sister of accountants (and with no offense to any on this board), they are not really well known for strategic thinking and forward planning as they tend to be risk averse and specialize in analyzing past actions.

And, while Stan may have been the perfect maintainer during 2010-2015, maybe we want someone who learned under a GM who made a plan, executed on it, and completed a successful rebuild in the salary cap era.

Just like with coaches and business executives, there are those who are great at front-running and those who are better at rebuilds.
- pdx2ord

Alas, your original post said Kyle, in your mind, is under suspicion because he worked for Stan.

Anyway, what Stan did after the 2010 sell-off was far more than "maintaining".

One more thing.....Stan is a risk averse accountant who decided on his own to suddenly flush the rebuild? Okay.....

I'm not complaining. Your boyfriend challenged my thoughts around Stan and Co not being so great at some things.
- pdx2ord

Cute, honey.

How many yrs after winning a cup do you find it acceptable for a team not to win a playoff game and simultaneously not accrue any prospects of note?
- Mr Ricochet

And we’re sure that was Bowman and not upper management? I don’t say this as a Bowman apologist because there was plenty I disagreed with but we have no idea if this is on Bowman, McDonough or the Wirtz’s?

Back in 2016 I thought the best thing, even though it would have been ballsy as hell would have to move the core out and begin rebuilding. The Hawks continued to try to piece together depth moving out prospects and draft choices while the core aged and the salary cap remained high. To top it off there were questionable draft picks. I agree about the lack of draft success and a big part was rushing guys into the NHL before they were ready. Look at Detroit, they had similar success and look how long it’s taken them to get back on their feet.

Can you provide an example of a GM who’s won more than one Championship, was able to stock and develop prospects, continue to add depth to the roster to win or try to win another cup and all the while keeping the salary cap in good standing?
- paulr

Yea, LA, but of course they were smart enough to replace Lombardi with Blake in 2017. ..... LA wins their 2nd cup in 3 yrs in 2014, made the playoffs in 2016 and 2018 and by any measure they have a top 2/3 prospect pool in the sport.

In your opinion who's closer to winning a cup today, LA or Chicago?

He wasn’t so great at some things. But he was great at things that mattered like ensuring the team won more than one cup.
- paulr

Of course, pdx has misrepresented the discussion just a wee bit.

Her quote earlier... "Not sure I'm confident in someone who learned at the foot of StanBo and his crew being the person to set the future direction for the franchise..."

Now it is that he wasn't good at "some things".

Deft little shift, boyfriend.

Yea, LA, but of course they were smart enough to replace Lombardi with Blake in 2017. ..... LA wins their 2nd cup in 3 yrs in 2014, made the playoffs in 2016 and 2018 and by any measure they have a top 2/3 prospect pool in the sport.

In your opinion who's closer to winning a cup today, LA or Chicago?
- Mr Ricochet

LA is, and their next cup will be number 3.

Can you provide an example of a GM who’s won more than one Championship, was able to stock and develop prospects, continue to add depth to the roster to win or try to win another cup and all the while keeping the salary cap in good standing?
- paulr

Rutherford? Pittsburgh has had more of their draft choices make the NHL than any other team.

Rutherford?
- LAHawk

I actually thought of him after I hit enter.

And we’re sure that was Bowman and not upper management? I don’t say this as a Bowman apologist because there was plenty I disagreed with but we have no idea if this is on Bowman, McDonough or the Wirtz’s?

Back in 2016 I thought the best thing, even though it would have been ballsy as hell would have to move the core out and begin rebuilding. The Hawks continued to try to piece together depth moving out prospects and draft choices while the core aged and the salary cap remained high. To top it off there were questionable draft picks. I agree about the lack of draft success and a big part was rushing guys into the NHL before they were ready. Look at Detroit, they had similar success and look how long it’s taken them to get back on their feet.
- paulr

Not what I asked, Paul. Simple question was "how many yrs after winning a cup do you find it acceptable for a team not to win a playoff game and simultaneously not accrue any prospects of note?"

Not sure but I think you're a corporate structure business world type a guy. The person charged with, and given the title to, win and or build the system failed spectacularly since 2015, no small sample size...... His reward? An extension and promotion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good businessing in your world??

These people will choose the next in line to run the on ice Hawks!!

LA is, and their next cup will be number 3.
- paulr

Well there you go, Paul. You win the debate. Well done.

People who pay a lot more attention to prospect pools on other teams can help me out, but...

Seems like the aforementioned Pittsburgh team did OK at that. They're dropping off now within their own Core, so we'll see how they have done with prospects, but they seemed to stay more consistently competitive (at least making the playoffs) during the same era in which the Hawks were dominating.

Tampa also seemed to get a couple of bites at the apple at different points in the same era. We'll see how they do in the next few years after winning the last couple.

Kings, Anaheim, San Jose, NYR, seemed to suffer the same fate as Hawks.
- pdx2ord

So, can't hire anyone from there....

Pittsburgh's core is at the end. They rebuilt around the same core, just as the Hawks did, but took quite a bit longer to do so.

This GM candidate who avoided a downturn after a long period of sustained excellence must be out there somewhere......

Cute, honey.
- mohel

FOH with the "honey"

Yea, LA, but of course they were smart enough to replace Lombardi with Blake in 2017. ..... LA wins their 2nd cup in 3 yrs in 2014, made the playoffs in 2016 and 2018 and by any measure they have a top 2/3 prospect pool in the sport.

In your opinion who's closer to winning a cup today, LA or Chicago?
- Mr Ricochet

Thank you, guess I was wrong about saying LA suffered the same fate as Hawks.

Of course, pdx has misrepresented the discussion just a wee bit.

Her quote earlier... "Not sure I'm confident in someone who learned at the foot of StanBo and his crew being the person to set the future direction for the franchise..."

Now it is that he wasn't good at "some things".

Deft little shift, boyfriend.
- mohel

Yes, I'm not confident in someone who learned at his feet, especially in the past 5-6 years which is when I think Davidson was promoted to the GM's staff, BECAUSE of those "some things" StanBo isn't as good at as he was maintaining and rebuilding around an enviable core.

Thank you, guess I was wrong about saying LA suffered the same fate as Hawks.
- pdx2ord

Actually I agree with most every word you've posted. Just as those who say the facts are StanBo has been a colossal failure since 2016 he was just as successful 2010 to 2015 maintaining a cup winning roster. Indeed some are better at building and some better at maintaining.

And yes I don't want Davidson, or anyone inside the organIzation while StanBo was here, to run anything hockey side. Get experienced fresh eyes on 5 yr old problems to do that.

Not what I asked, Paul. Simple question was "how many yrs after winning a cup do you find it acceptable for a team not to win a playoff game and simultaneously not accrue any prospects of note?"

Not sure but I think you're a corporate structure business world type a guy. The person charged with, and given the title to, win and or build the system failed spectacularly since 2015, no small sample size...... His reward? An extension and promotion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good businessing in your world??

These people will choose the next in line to run the on ice Hawks!!
- Mr Ricochet

I agreed with your assessment about poor drafting and prospect development. I can’t answer what is an acceptable amount of time it takes to win a playoff round after the success the team had and how they tried to continue to win while their core aged and they continually traded away draft picks and prospects. Had they stopped trying to win by moving out futures they’d be in much better shape today.

I didn’t feel Bowman deserved an extension based on what was happening but that was never my point. And who gave Bowman that extension? The corporate entity called the Chicago Blackhawks. And why did they give it to him? It obviously wasn’t about him rebuilding the team, was it?

Not what I asked, Paul. Simple question was "how many yrs after winning a cup do you find it acceptable for a team not to win a playoff game and simultaneously not accrue any prospects of note?"

Not sure but I think you're a corporate structure business world type a guy. The person charged with, and given the title to, win and or build the system failed spectacularly since 2015, no small sample size...... His reward? An extension and promotion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good businessing in your world??

These people will choose the next in line to run the on ice Hawks!!
- Mr Ricochet

Your question was unrelated to the statement by pdx, which was that someone working for Stan is presumed unqualified. Not a debate about which GM is the best of the past 20 years.

So, do you think working for Stan and the Hawks is a disqualifier?

How many yrs after winning a cup do you find it acceptable for a team not to win a playoff game and simultaneously not accrue any prospects of note?
- Mr Ricochet

I guess it depends on your definition. I would say about five years, as it takes quite a bit of time (in most cases) for a prospect to prove he is "of note".

ADB
Dach
Reichel
Joki
Boqvist
Kurashev

I think all would be recognized as "of note".

Well there you go, Paul. You win the debate. Well done.
- Mr Ricochet

The aim of a debate isn’t victory but progress. I listen and agree or disagree with people’s points. But more importantly I can be swayed. Your point about the USHL intrigued me and informed me of something I didn’t know and yet you continued to argue the point repeatedly even though I fully conceded it. Maybe both of us need to slow down and understand what the other means. Sure I can make smart ass replies, as you can. I didn’t win the debate I merely pointed out that the Hawks hung on longer to win an additional championship. I’m sure you can agree to that.

Not what I asked, Paul. Simple question was "how many yrs after winning a cup do you find it acceptable for a team not to win a playoff game and simultaneously not accrue any prospects of note?"

Not sure but I think you're a corporate structure business world type a guy. The person charged with, and given the title to, win and or build the system failed spectacularly since 2015, no small sample size...... His reward? An extension and promotion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good businessing in your world??

These people will choose the next in line to run the on ice Hawks!!
- Mr Ricochet

Maybe Danny had 2nd thoughts on Stan's promotion and used the Aldrich scandal to get rid of him.