Honestly no. Dump and chase works fine if your forwards can beat the defenders to the pucks but right now the Flyers forwards are too slow to do that. When the same forwards try to carry it in, they lack cohesion as unit and thus turn the puck over rather easily. Its on the players IMO, not the coaches. Depending on the opponent, some game you might carry it in more because maybe the defenseman tend to back off the blue line or maybe the gaps between the D and forwards on that team are poor and you can take advantage of it. Other games you might dump and chase more because the opponent's Dmen stand you up at the blue line and make it hard it hard for you to carry the puck in, or maybe the Dmen are not that strong on the puck and so you feel you an win those battles below the goal line and gain possession.

So there is no such system as dump and chase, or carry it over the line. It all depends on how your opponent defends and thus how best you can take advantage of their weaknesses. For example, against the Flyers teams still believe the best way to attack them is dump and chase because without Ellis teams feel the Flyers' D are slow and not good at puck battles below the line. This was the Bruin's strategy against them last Saturday in fact, and I know because their analyst were talking about it on their broadcast.
- jd250

I don't think they are too slow, i would say right now, they seem to lazy to do it.

G for Peyton Krebs and a pick.
Vegas could use a center right now.
Get it done Chuck
- bradster

You DO know G has ALL the power right? Chuck really has no say in it.

G for Peyton Krebs and a pick.
Vegas could use a center right now.
Get it done Chuck
- bradster

Edit :Did krebs already get traded lol.... forgot

If Provy doesn't lunge, imo that puck rebounds off the boards and sits their nice and juicy in the middle of the ice. He clearly wasn't expecting it, so perhaps his initial reaction was a tad slow.

Enough of this already for me. Funny how all of you are seeing things that tilt towards your dog in this perpetual Risto fight.
- PT21

Well, not from me anyway. Anyone on here last night knows I blasted Risto for some pretty bad plays, as I did in the last game against the Canes. I just can't stand this constant blaming of one player when the entire team sucks right now.

You don't change the coaching staff mid season unless you think you have the horses and all that is needed is a different voice. In your opinion, do the Flyers have the players to be a legitimate contender right now? I hope your answer is no! So its fruitless to change coaches now. You wait until the off season when you can see who is available and you have more time to conduct interviews and such. IMO, it doesn't matter who is coaching this team or system they install, these players won't do it consistently enough to legitimately contend.
- jd250

This is not correct. You change coaches mid season because the team is a mess in all facets of the game. They can't effectively execute simple plays. They can't sort coverages out. They can't execute a breakout. They have issues with line change. Watch the replay of the Johnsson goal and what happens even before the turnover leading to the goal. It's a complete circus. So no, it's not fruitless to change coaches now. That is a ridiculous statement by you.

You DO know G has ALL the power right? Chuck really has no say in it.
- MBFlyerfan

I know, but start putting the pressure on him now, and the media can do their part too. If the fans hear he wont waive his NTC, he will be booed every time he touches the puck

I don't think they are too slow, i would say right now, they seem to lazy to do it.
- bradster

You know what else is starting to creep back into the Flyers play? The overthinking an over passing. They need to get back to shooting for the iron and fighting for space to get rebounds!

(Thanks for the retrweet, Bill)

He totally gets a pass because all anyone wants to complain about is RR. Everyone is making mistakes, but you would think would be a site dedicated to RR. Sanheim makes a ton of mistakes but gets like 20% of the press as RR.

Everyone on this team is crap right now.
- bradster

There is no focus on him......


How did I know this was going to start one page back?

I know, but start putting the pressure on him now, and the media can do their part too. If the fans hear he wont waive his NTC, he will be booed every time he touches the puck
- bradster

I seriously doubt that. Most fans, like me, would see that as a classless act by the organization.

He overskated the puck while lunging forward for it?

You can see both puck and lunge here.



Puck ends up behind him because it hits stick, board and ricochets back. There was minimal pressure on Risto then.

Just a horrid pass imo.
- PT21

Bad pass yes. But privies reaction was even worse.

Honestly no. Dump and chase works fine if your forwards can beat the defenders to the pucks but right now the Flyers forwards are too slow to do that. When the same forwards try to carry it in, they lack cohesion as unit and thus turn the puck over rather easily. Its on the players IMO, not the coaches. Depending on the opponent, some games you might carry the puck in more because maybe the defenseman tend to back off their blue line or maybe the gaps between the Dmen and forwards on that team are poor and you can take advantage of it. Other games you might dump and chase more because the opponent's Dmen stand you up at the blue line and make it harder for you to carry the puck in, or maybe their Dmen are not that strong on the puck and so you feel you can win those puck battles below the goal line and gain possession.

So there is no such system as dump and chase, or carry it over the line. It all depends on how your opponent defends and thus how best you can take advantage of their weaknesses. For example, against the Flyers teams still believe the best way to attack them is dump and chase because without Ellis teams feel the Flyers' D are slow and not good at puck battles below the line. This was the Bruin's strategy against them last Saturday in fact, and I know because their analyst were talking about it on their broadcast.
- jd250

There is so much wrong here that I don't even know where to start. We just saw multiple games where teams rushed the puck down the Flyers throats on rushes and speed through he neutral zone. Florida racked up 45 scoring chances in the game. Hamilton spent the entire game deep in the Flyers zone camped at the net wth not threat of a counter attack. Yet you think teams believe the way to beat the Flyers is to dump and chase. You can't make it up. Tomahawk was right when he said you have no idea what's going on out there.
Dump and chase. LOL. There is oodles of open ice, no back pressure and no forecheck from the Flyers. It's a straight skate right into the Flyers zone. A team dumping against the Flyers would be the equivalent of the Hansen Bros in slap shot. My goodness just when I think it can't get any worse

So you know for a fact that the puck would've come off perfectly off the boards and to Provorov. It wouldn't have jumped over his stick or gone airborne or anything like that. Just more absurdity from you. Many people are telling me? Not the informed.
- MJL

Even at the beer league level that’s not all that difficult a play. It’s just not. You just chip it out.

You call it a bad pass I would say Risto was leading him on purpose and the two d were not on the same sheet of music.

Either way dude was a mess on that play, it was his responsibility and he is very overrated while making a ton of money. You gotta see he is killing us right now.

Please waste time ripping guys like Thompson, Seeler and Brassard.. the problem is our best players not the 4th line and 3rd d pair.

There is so much wrong here that I don't even know where to start. We just saw multiple games where teams rushed the puck down the Flyers throats on rushes and speed through he neutral zone. Florida racked up 45 scoring chances in the game. Hamilton spent the entire game deep in the Flyers zone camped at the net wth not threat of a counter attack. Yet you think teams believe the way to beat the Flyers is to dump and chase. You can't make it up. Tomahawk was right when he said you have no idea what's going on out there.
- MJL

Did they fire the guy yet? Let’s go already.

Well, not from me anyway. Anyone on here last night knows I blasted Risto for some pretty bad plays, as I did in the last game against the Canes. I just can't stand this constant blaming of one player when the entire team sucks right now.
- jd250

You bring up Ristolainen and then other respond and then you say you can't stand it. What you really can't stand is that you know how wrong you've been about the player.

Even at the beer league level that’s not all that difficult a play. It’s just not. You just chip it out.

You call it a bad pass I would say Risto was leading him on purpose and the two d were not on the same sheet of music.

Either way dude was a mess on that play, it was his responsibility and he is very overrated while making a ton of money. You gotta see he is killing us right now.

Please waste time ripping guys like Thompson, Seeler and Brassard.. the problem is our best players not the 4th line and 3rd d pair.
- Joe Nardone

Ristolainen was leading him on purpose. He led him too far obviously. He had to reach out and lunge with his stick on one hand just to get a piece of it. It's crystal clear on the replay.

I seriously doubt that. Most fans, like me, would see that as a classless act by the organization.
- MBFlyerfan

to ask to waive his NTC?

Even at the beer league level that’s not all that difficult a play. It’s just not. You just chip it out.

You call it a bad pass I would say Risto was leading him on purpose and the two d were not on the same sheet of music.

Either way dude was a mess on that play, it was his responsibility and he is very overrated while making a ton of money. You gotta see he is killing us right now.

Please waste time ripping guys like Thompson, Seeler and Brassard.. the problem is our best players not the 4th line and 3rd d pair.
- Joe Nardone

100%

to ask to waive his NTC?
- bradster

No to leak that kind of stuff to the media in an attempt to turn the fans against him.

Ristolainen was leading him on purpose. He led him too far obviously. He had to reach out and lunge with his stick on one hand just to get a piece of it. It's crystal clear on the replay.
- MJL

He had to reach..... with his stick......., OMG, how can he do that. That's an impossible play. Pretty sure they don't teach you that until your 9th season of Pro.

No to leak that kind of stuff to the media in an attempt to turn the fans against him.
- MBFlyerfan

the team doesn't have to do anything, the fans will do it. I remember crystal clear how leaf fans turned on one of their top 5 players of all time, because he wouldn't waive. It wasn't pretty

He had to reach..... with his stick......., OMG, how can he do that. That's an impossible play. Pretty sure they don't teach you that until your 9th season of Pro.
- bradster

I guess in your world physics don't exist. One can only reach so far and only go so fast. Unless you get irradiated in space with your three team members and get some sort of "fantastic" mutations.

the team doesn't have to do anything, the fans will do it. I remember crystal clear how leaf fans turned on one of their top 5 players of all time, because he wouldn't waive. It wasn't pretty
- bradster

And how would they find out he didn't waive?

And how would they find out he didn't waive?
- MBFlyerfan

chuck answers like a politician....doubt if he did mention it, that it would be with ill intent. but would be a politically correct answer like.....'we looked into all scenarios." or "the possibility was discussed."

At this point I would question why Giroux wouldn't want to waive. Loyalty is one thing but he deserves better.