Chief turned around a struggling team with a rookie goalie & won a cup. Also, has his team playing pretty well so far this year
- Fopa21

That rookie goalie is why they won that Cup. Yes, other players were underperforming and they all picked up their games under the leadership of team captain Ryan O'Reilly, but when Binnington was called up that's when their season turned around. I don't think chief is anything special.

The culture can’t change if the captain stayed.
- Fopa21

Ive finally been swayed to the point of view that not only is Giroux going to be traded at or before the deadline, but I also believe he will welcome the trade.

The only issue is really to who? And what kind of return will it be? A bottom feeder would give us the best return in terms of higher draft picks, but that really isn't realistic. Most likely it will have to be a top team one piece from making a run, but then we are talking cap considerations and a first round pick in the 20's or higher....in other words same old same old. What kind of cap hit would be coming back, and why would a team on the brink be sending us a good piece with a similar cap hit?

I think Giroux would help a lot of teams get over the top, but finding that team who can fit all the hurdles will not be as easy as it sounds in my opinion.

Giroux will NOT waive to go to a crappy team IMO. (well, as crappy as we are)

Ive finally been swayed to the point of view that not only is Giroux going to be traded at or before the deadline, but I also believe he will welcome the trade.

The only issue is really to who? And what kind of return will it be? A bottom feeder would give us the best return in terms of higher draft picks, but that really isn't realistic. Most likely it will have to be a top team one piece from making a run, but then we are talking cap considerations and a first round pick in the 20's or higher....in other words same old same old. What kind of cap hit would be coming back, and why would a team on the brink be sending us a good piece with a similar cap hit?

I think Giroux would help a lot of teams get over the top, but finding that team who can fit all the hurdles will not be as easy as it sounds in my opinion.

Giroux will NOT waive to go to a crappy team IMO. (well, as crappy as we are)
- MBFlyerfan

Yup
G isn’t going to waive unless he’s going to a contender. The Flyers will retain half and the return will likely be a late 1st in 22 and maybe a 2nd in 23.

more concerned with developing players before we worry about developing coaches.
- Peter Richards

Cooper, Keefe and Sullivan all played a part in developing some pretty good players as they themselves were being "developed".

That rookie goalie is why they won that Cup. Yes, other players were underperforming and they all picked up their games under the leadership of team captain Ryan O'Reilly, but when Binnington was called up that's when their season turned around. I don't think chief is anything special.
- Phillywhiteout

Yes.

Also sure looks like Chief applied a lot of lessons he learned from his first gig to his current one.

Ian Laperriere's Lehigh Valley Phantoms are beyond laughable.

Morning everyone.

LOUD NOISES!

All I've got. Injuries- YES. But guys in the line-up aren't playing NHL hockey. Streaky scoring- YES, but the entire team? Defensive miscues- YES, but game after game?

I'm open to a fire sale at TDL but what's the plan? Draft picks, young prospects? Send them to Lappy to develop??

Eric Lindros is not walking through that door...

Bobby Clarke is not walking through that door...

I've got nothing.

Even without a coaching change, what I don't like is that they don't do a good job grooming coaching talent. I'm sorry but I just don't see Lapariere as a future NHL coach. Yeo and Therrien are retreads.
- MJL

How many teams really develop coaches? I mean, look around the league. Look how many retreads keep getting jobs. It seems very few teams actually develop coaches.

How many teams really develop coaches? I mean, look around the league. Look how many retreads keep getting jobs. It seems very few teams actually develop coaches.
- Phillywhiteout

I'm just doing a drive by because my board is slow. Teams should develop coaches more, the two-time defending cup champs, he coached their AHL affiliate for years before being promoted

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- bmeltzer

I guess the answer is the coach. The coach is the issue with the Flyers. The coach is the issue with the Phantoms. I’m not ruling this out, as much as the underwhelming in place on both sides. You can argue Lappy’s success but Vigneault is a different conversation entirely. As might as I may question coaching decisions, he’s gotta work with what he’s got and a new system isn’t going to suddenly make the players better. This isn’t late 2009 with the likes of Danny Briere and Chris Pronger.

Ive finally been swayed to the point of view that not only is Giroux going to be traded at or before the deadline, but I also believe he will welcome the trade.

The only issue is really to who? And what kind of return will it be? A bottom feeder would give us the best return in terms of higher draft picks, but that really isn't realistic. Most likely it will have to be a top team one piece from making a run, but then we are talking cap considerations and a first round pick in the 20's or higher....in other words same old same old. What kind of cap hit would be coming back, and why would a team on the brink be sending us a good piece with a similar cap hit?

I think Giroux would help a lot of teams get over the top, but finding that team who can fit all the hurdles will not be as easy as it sounds in my opinion.

Giroux will NOT waive to go to a crappy team IMO. (well, as crappy as we are)
- MBFlyerfan

Thats why we should try to land a prospect and a pick for G. Grab someone drafted a couple of years ago that is doing well.

I guess the answer is the coach. The coach is the issue with the Flyers. The coach is the issue with the Phantoms. I’m not ruling this out, as much as the underwhelming in place on both sides. You can argue Lappy’s success but Vigneault is a different conversation entirely. As might as I may question coaching decisions, he’s gotta work with what he’s got and a new system isn’t going to suddenly make the players better. This isn’t late 2009 with the likes of Danny Briere and Chris Pronger.
- SuperSchennBros

I guess I'll do a couple drive bys. I watch a fair amount of Flyers games. When I watch this team play, it reminds me so much of the Ranger teams of our own dark ages: a miss mash of talent with a bunch of parts that are talented on paper, but have zero fit together.

I have no reason why the org hired Fletcher. He had a ten year record of making a bubble team that could be plucky in the early rounds of the playoffs, but poor cap management that made sure the Wild were never contenders. The Flyers have gotten exactly what they have paid for. I know they wanted a more agressive GM, but there are more and better options out there that can do the same thing.

As a fan of a rival team, I should be happy that your team looks hopeless, but hockey is better when you guys are good and can be the villans.

Ive finally been swayed to the point of view that not only is Giroux going to be traded at or before the deadline, but I also believe he will welcome the trade.

The only issue is really to who? And what kind of return will it be? A bottom feeder would give us the best return in terms of higher draft picks, but that really isn't realistic. Most likely it will have to be a top team one piece from making a run, but then we are talking cap considerations and a first round pick in the 20's or higher....in other words same old same old. What kind of cap hit would be coming back, and why would a team on the brink be sending us a good piece with a similar cap hit?

I think Giroux would help a lot of teams get over the top, but finding that team who can fit all the hurdles will not be as easy as it sounds in my opinion.

Giroux will NOT waive to go to a crappy team IMO. (well, as crappy as we are)
- MBFlyerfan

G isn’t helping anyone. What makes you think that? 2 goals -12 over last 28 playoff games. Soft perimeter players don’t get it done playoff time

I'm just doing a drive by because my board is slow. Teams should develop coaches more, the two-time defending cup champs, he coached their AHL affiliate for years before being promoted
- 2sticks1puck

Can you ask Zibanejab and Kreider to take it easy on us tomorrow?

Cooper, Keefe and Sullivan all played a part in developing some pretty good players as they themselves were being "developed".
- Tomahawk

Coaches don't have anything to do with developing players. Nah!

How many teams really develop coaches? I mean, look around the league. Look how many retreads keep getting jobs. It seems very few teams actually develop coaches.
- Phillywhiteout

Okay, so the Flyers don't have to do it then.

what's embarrassing about the phantoms.......with the years of draft and develop you would think they would at least be in contention........they're not even pushing for a wild card position.
- Peter Richards

All these hot shot prospects they have allegedly drafted. A highly ranked prospect pool.

Then you turn around and put a guy who has no business being in charge, in charge. This organization has earned the right be to this bad.

Yes.

Also sure looks like Chief applied a lot of lessons he learned from his first gig to his current one.
- Tomahawk

you give the coach the credit for having elite talent? Not saying they aren't good coaches.....just the amount of talent.

Can you ask Zibanejab and Kreider to take it easy on us tomorrow?
- corduroy

Sure, if Laf can keep his recent improved play going. With how crazy the Metro is, we need this game.

Its a lot words to say that "i have no critical thinking skills"
- THE BLACK HAND

anything good for breakfast king kenso?

If they decide to fire AV I am fine with that. I just do not want Yeo or Therrein as the lead dog for more than a day or two. Firing AV and turning it over to one of those stooges is a lateral move at best.

Who should they hire? At this point, I do not know. I think Torts would be fun. Not sure he is the right guy though. Sure seems like he would demand better effort though.

Even without a coaching change, what I don't like is that they don't do a good job grooming coaching talent. I'm sorry but I just don't see Lapariere as a future NHL coach. Yeo and Therrien are retreads.
- MJL

I Have said this several times. Also no GM in waiting as well. You ever hear any flyers employees getting interviews for jobs elsewhere?

I Have said this several times. Also no GM in waiting as well. You ever hear any flyers employees getting interviews for jobs elsewhere?
- hello it's me 2050

Does Danny Briere count?

I Have said this several times. Also no GM in waiting as well. You ever hear any flyers employees getting interviews for jobs elsewhere?
- hello it's me 2050

Giving the head coaching job to someone already in the middle of this disaster is a mistake & stupid. Kind of like shaking up the leadership group because it wasn’t strong enough but keeping the captain…..oh wait

I'm just doing a drive by because my board is slow. Teams should develop coaches more, the two-time defending cup champs, he coached their AHL affiliate for years before being promoted
- 2sticks1puck

That's true, but it's a rarity that it actually plays out that way. The NHL is a win now league and most organizations don't have the patience to groom coaches. They want that instant fix from a coach with a track record unfortunately. Look no further than your team with Gallant.