I'm not sure if G would waive his NMC but he would be excellent on a cup-contending team. Face-offs, his passing, could play PK and PP. I think any contender would want him, especially if we were picking up part of his salary.

I've always maintained that we would not be a contender with having to rely so much on G. He should be in a supporting role not our main offensive threat. We need guys to step up with the goals. G is more of a Backstrom, just never got his Ovie.

Imagine if a team like Colorado added G for a cup run. He wouldn't have to be the guy. 2nd or 3rd line role. JFC, imagine if he was on a line with NAK...

Or Tampa. Or St. Louis...
- cdearth23

Giroux would be a tremendous add to any playoff level team.

I think part of the reason Fletcher was hired was name recognition and Fletchers relationship with Clarke. I think he’s trying to do what he was brought here to do. Which is make this team competitive. Hextall left him some pretty highly valued prospects and I’m sure he figured he would get a bump from some of those guys as well. That hasn’t really happened. Fletcher put together maybe the most experienced coaching staff in the clubs history by hiring 3 ex head coaches. Like you said there are some really good pieces, but there still doesn’t appear to be an identity. The young guys continue to be extremely inconsistent as do many of the vets and in today’s parity NHL that’s simply not good enough. I think Fletcher is safe as long as the stands remain full….. but I think that may start to change as fans simply give up on what has become a mediocre franchise.
- landros 2

Flyers need to figure out what they are doing for their long term picture and quick. As much as the board is going to flame me for this, if you decide you need to start from scrath, Provy has to be on the block tomorrow. His trade value will never be higher and it would jump start your rebuild quick (which is my argument why Hextall should have traded Giroux or Voracek when he took over). Provy has no limitations on to where you move him, and would also solve your cap issues pretty quick. As much as this leaves a huge hole on defense, this is exactly the hole you hope York and Zumula would fill, plus I'm sure you could net another solid d prospect in a trade return.

Flyers need to figure out what they are doing for their long term picture and quick. As much as the board is going to flame me for this, if you decide you need to start from scrath, Provy has to be on the block tomorrow. His trade value will never be higher and it would jump start your rebuild quick (which is my argument why Hextall should have traded Giroux or Voracek when he took over). Provy has no limitations on to where you move him, and would also solve your cap issues pretty quick. As much as this leaves a huge hole on defense, this is exactly the hole you hope York and Zumula would fill, plus I'm sure you could net another solid d prospect in a trade return.
- 2sticks1puck

No one is untouchable. Including coots and hart

Flyers need to figure out what they are doing for their long term picture and quick. As much as the board is going to flame me for this, if you decide you need to start from scrath, Provy has to be on the block tomorrow. His trade value will never be higher and it would jump start your rebuild quick (which is my argument why Hextall should have traded Giroux or Voracek when he took over). Provy has no limitations on to where you move him, and would also solve your cap issues pretty quick. As much as this leaves a huge hole on defense, this is exactly the hole you hope York and Zumula would fill, plus I'm sure you could net another solid d prospect in a trade return.
- 2sticks1puck

I don't have an issue moving anyone. If the effort was there then i might be hesitant, but seeing how these guys are playing, i don't care if they all go. Wouldnt mind keeping farabee, and Mcewen, and Couts but thats about it

Being a worse team than the Devils and Blue Jackets is about as low as it gets

Flyers need to figure out what they are doing for their long term picture and quick. As much as the board is going to flame me for this, if you decide you need to start from scrath, Provy has to be on the block tomorrow. His trade value will never be higher and it would jump start your rebuild quick (which is my argument why Hextall should have traded Giroux or Voracek when he took over). Provy has no limitations on to where you move him, and would also solve your cap issues pretty quick. As much as this leaves a huge hole on defense, this is exactly the hole you hope York and Zumula would fill, plus I'm sure you could net another solid d prospect in a trade return.
- 2sticks1puck

Two flies in your ointment here. One, Voracek was 25 years old, had just finished 2nd in the league in assists and 5th in scoring and looked to be on the verge of stardom when Hextall re-signed him. Expecting York and Zamula to fill a top pairing lead defenseman role is a sure fire young player killer. That's what they did to Provorv only he was younger at 19. He would be a better player today if he was broken in properly in my opinion. You can't trade Provorov.

It's 100% a press conference to back the coach and lament the injuries.
- MJL

Yup. Tell everyone relax we are at the quarter pole. Injuries will turn around, AV has had clubs start slow before etc. what he says isn’t important but the fact that’s he probably getting pushed to hold this conference is.

Yup. Tell everyone relax we are at the quarter pole. Injuries will turn around, AV has had clubs start slow before etc. what he says isn’t important but the fact that’s he probably getting pushed to hold this conference is.
- Just5

Spew this garbage and then get pooppumped by the Rags tomorrow night.

State of the Union press conference

word is Tocchet is openly campaigning behind the scenes for the coaching job
- THE BLACK HAND

Why? So he can run numbers here between games? I guess the practice rink in NJ is close enough to South Philly for a bag drop.

The links worked in search about his guilty pleas in 2007 but not embedded, just look up Rick Tocchet conviction

Yup. Tell everyone relax we are at the quarter pole. Injuries will turn around, AV has had clubs start slow before etc. what he says isn’t important but the fact that’s he probably getting pushed to hold this conference is.
- Just5

Its probably the , we are sticking with AV and the players need to play through this .
Last year it was covid, this year its injuries, blah blah blah . Enough excuses

Great article y San Charcidi today, I think he nails it perfectly!

https://www.inquirer.com/...ux-fletcher-20211129.html

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Flyers GM Chuck Fletcher is holding a 12:15 p.m press conference.
- PLindbergh31

Interesting. I expect Dave Scott to be the new HC by this afternoon.

Two flies in your ointment here. One, Voracek was 25 years old, had just finished 2nd in the league in assists and 5th in scoring and looked to be on the verge of stardom when Hextall re-signed him. Expecting York and Zamula to fill a top pairing lead defenseman role is a sure fire young player killer. That's what they did to Provorv only he was younger at 19. He would be a better player today if he was broken in properly in my opinion. You can't trade Provorov.
- MJL

I know we've disagreed on this before, your argument to Voracek is exactly why you trade him. You could have gotten a king's ransom in a trade for him. Granted, you need to get the right players for him (which using the Rangers for example, did for Nash and Hayes and did not for McD and Miller). The hope is ou get players whose ages align better for when you expect to be good.

Provy was a very good defender from the moment he stepped on NHL ice, I'm not sure that's a great argument. A better argument pmay be what Buffalo has currently done with Dahlin and someone currently on the Flyers RR when he was younger. I'd agree inserting a ton of responsibility right away on York is not a great plan, but I'd say you could sign a veteran on a 1-2 year deal to pair with Ellis to eat those 1st pairing minutes. If you truly are rebuilding, you don't care how great they are, just that they can eat the minutes until York and whoever are ready.

Flyers need to figure out what they are doing for their long term picture and quick. As much as the board is going to flame me for this, if you decide you need to start from scrath, Provy has to be on the block tomorrow. His trade value will never be higher and it would jump start your rebuild quick (which is my argument why Hextall should have traded Giroux or Voracek when he took over). Provy has no limitations on to where you move him, and would also solve your cap issues pretty quick. As much as this leaves a huge hole on defense, this is exactly the hole you hope York and Zumula would fill, plus I'm sure you could net another solid d prospect in a trade return.
- 2sticks1puck

When you still suck after a 5 year retool and a quick dip into high priced UFA’s along with a summer of foundation type trades anything becomes possible. I’m not sure I would want want Fletcher as the guy to do this. (In fact I wouldn’t) I hope they keep Hart. I think Farabee is a keeper, but after that I think another failed year leads to the major overhaul your suggesting.

It's 100% a press conference to back the coach and lament the injuries.
- MJL

agree

The Ratcliffes, rubstov and leberges are killing our AHL team. Its one thing for players to not make the NHL, but high picks being below average ahl players are totally killing our farm team. Even guys like bunnaman who we call up occasionally only has 2 points in 16 games. Poor drafting will do this. Hopefully in a couple years we have some better players on there.
- bradster

Since the Rangers kicked off their rebuild in 2017 they have 4 1st round picks and 4 2nd round picks playing for them and contributing. The Rangers are young and fast, and showing they are for real this year. The Flyers are currently old and slow, they're a dinosaur on skates trying to compete in a faster modern game. Its time for a true rebuild here, and I believe if things don't turn around soon it will start at the deadline. CF who is typically available to the media has turned down meeting requests over the past 2 weeks, maybe that is an indication that he knows more changes need to be made?

Why? So he can run numbers here between games? I guess the practice rink in NJ is close enough to South Philly for a bag drop.


- RajaAmpat[https://www.nj.gov/oag/ne...eases07/pr20070817b.html]

He gave a GREAT speech during his HOF induction. Had Homers ear all weekend

Curious what can we get for G. What if we retain almost all of his salary. So he can go to anyone, provided he waives his NTC. We could retain on a lot of players, anyone in the last year of their contract would be attractive. Especially when some injuries start to happen to a contending team. G, RR, Braun, Brassard all have value. Man we even unloaded Yandle....we did unload Gustaffson before.
- bradster

Braun gets a 3rd
Yandle maybe a 7th
Brassard a 5th or 6th

RR a 5 year contraxct ext .....4 years for CC

Great article y San Charcidi today, I think he nails it perfectly!

https://www.inquirer.com/...ux-fletcher-20211129.html
- jd250

He nails it perfectly. So it took all of 20 games for you to completely reverse course off of everything you were posting all summer leading up to the season? How the GM changed the culture and made all the right moves. Got rid of the problem players and on and on.

Do you know how you get younger? By keeping young players and draft picks.

Braun gets a 3rd
Yandle maybe a 7th
Brassard a 5th or 6th

RR a 5 year contraxct ext .....4 years for CC
- hello it's me 2050

What would the return for Nate Thompson look like?

He gave a GREAT speech during his HOF induction. Had Homers ear all weekend
- THE BLACK HAND

Maybe he can fix a Cup for us.

Great article y San Charcidi today, I think he nails it perfectly!

https://www.inquirer.com/...ux-fletcher-20211129.html
- jd250

I expect the team to wait until the injured players are back before making a full assessment/taking action. problem is, we'll be buried by that time and we'll have to go on a 10 game run just to sneak in.

When you still suck after a 5 year retool and a quick dip into high priced UFA’s along with a summer of foundation type trades anything becomes possible. I’m not sure I would want want Fletcher as the guy to do this. (In fact I wouldn’t) I hope they keep Hart. I think Farabee is a keeper, but after that I think another failed year leads to the major overhaul your suggesting.
- landros 2

You wouldn't want the guy who ran the Wild into the ground for a decade rebuilding the Flyers? How come?

Braun gets a 3rd
Yandle maybe a 7th
Brassard a 5th or 6th

RR a 5 year contraxct ext .....4 years for CC
- hello it's me 2050

I think braun maybe a 2nd, and a little higher for brassard. 3rd or 4th. RR could get you a first i think. He can eat a ton of minutes, and need the size come playoff time.

I know we've disagreed on this before, your argument to Voracek is exactly why you trade him. You could have gotten a king's ransom in a trade for him. Granted, you need to get the right players for him (which using the Rangers for example, did for Nash and Hayes and did not for McD and Miller). The hope is ou get players whose ages align better for when you expect to be good.


- 2sticks1puck

You're completely using hindsight here. The Ranger should trade Adam Fox right now. They could get a king's ransom for him.

Provy was a very good defender from the moment he stepped on NHL ice, I'm not sure that's a great argument. A better argument pmay be what Buffalo has currently done with Dahlin and someone currently on the Flyers RR when he was younger. I'd agree inserting a ton of responsibility right away on York is not a great plan, but I'd say you could sign a veteran on a 1-2 year deal to pair with Ellis to eat those 1st pairing minutes. If you truly are rebuilding, you don't care how great they are, just that they can eat the minutes until York and whoever are ready.
- 2sticks1puck

Nobody should be banking on Ellis being a regular player at this point.