During Shane Doan’s captaincy (14 years) for an inept franchise in the coyotes he only had 4 head coaches. He made sure his teams always competed hard despite a lack of talent.

Captain Claude captaincy (8 years) - teams plagued with issues (slow starts, playing down to competition, 10 game loosing streaks, lack of compete etc) already through 4 coaching changes possible a fifth? The issue isn’t coaching
- Fopa21

culture?

probably not and it will be grounds hog day all day every day.

Should have acquired Eichel.
- hello it's me 2050

I would have been fine with that.

Did the team that "lost" get a point, just like they always did before OT and SOs were implemented? Doesn't that then mean its a tie? If you want make a true loss, why award a point to the "losing" team?
- jd250

Did the winner get two points?....its simple logic and yours is deeply flawed or nonexistent

Ill piss on your head from a second story window and tell you its raining and youll believe it because its liquid falling from the sky

It's 100% a press conference to back the coach and lament the injuries.
- MJL

That would be a huge waste of time and more aggravating than saying nothing.

Last Summer. "I'm tired of waiting for this team. Hextall's plan took too long. Tired of doing nothing. At some point you have to try and win. Draft picks take 3 years to develop. The GM made all the right moves. The GM changed the culture."

20 games into the season. "It's time for a rebuild here"

Can't make it up.
- MJL

Hey unlike you my bias is towards action. Its funny in all those quotes you left out one important, and that is we should patient and see if this team can get healthy and play their way out of this like they did in 2019.

Yes I'm tired of waiting, the Rangers are contending within 4 years of their rebuild. So are you finally willing to admit that Hextall did not do a good job as GM? Clearly Gorton showed what a real GM can do with the Rangers, and now he is being rewarded with a new role in Montreal. Do you have any doubt Montreal will turn things around very quickly there also? I don't! Admit it, finally and once and for all, Hextall failed miserably here as Flyers GM and is responsible for where this team is right now!

I don't think they will have a choice. And look at the bright side, for all you Risto haters, he will generate a haul at a deadline! This is a deep draft from everything I read, if you are going to do it, now is a good time!
- jd250

Today’s press conference is to announce his 5 year extension.

That would be a huge waste of time and more aggravating than saying nothing.
- Scoob

Yet that’s what’s going to happen.

Did the winner get two points?....its simple logic and yours is deeply flawed or nonexistent

Ill piss on your head from a second story window and tell you its raining and youll believe it because its liquid falling from the sky
- THE BLACK HAND

Why do I even bother conversing with the Office clown, because it will always degenerate into a pissing contest!

Yet that’s what’s going to happen.
- landros 2

Next 3 games:

At MSG (House of horrors)
vs. TB
vs. Colorado (Mackinnon back)

If this goes the way everyone thinks, it will make Fletchy the PL look like a buffoon for calling a press conference today to say nothing.

He tried, look at all the 1st round picks he used. He just failed
- bradster

that was the draft and develop strategy that failed. Picks sometimes take years to make an impact as we all know.

He ruined the primes of 3 very good players. All because he had no clue on what he wanted to do. Oh my bad he had a plan.

culture?
- bradster

So Shane Doan is a great captain? All those Stanley Cups and deep playoff runs definitely prove that out.

at least we hope its rock bottom ...
- jd250

it isnt yet. Need attendance to suffer. As well as more losses.

Ok, but his has nothing to do with the discussion. The reality is the Flyers are .500, 8-8-4, they are not 8-12!
- jd250

Yes, the NHL goes by it's dumb point system. That makes people feel good.

Reality: 8 wins in 20 games

Agreed

I do believe however that if this continues for a 2nd straight year that CF needs to act boldly at the deadline to continue to change the mix of players, and in the off season find a new coach. But right now, CF needs to remain patient and see if the team can get healthy and play their way out of this. They did it in 2019, they can do it in 2021.
- jd250

I agree with the cooler heads out there that might say to put the brakes on firing everyone. However, this regime was brought in to propel them higher than during Hextall's tenure. Not only has that not happened, but things are worse. CF put his chips all in on a player with an injury history. Perhaps it might have made more sense to hitch the wagon to a younger, albeit more expensive d man, but you see the risk and the results. 2nd time in 3 years we see break downs all over the ice due to the absence of the d man opposite Provy. They also put their hopes of the 3rd d pairing on an older player who was bought out for the reasons we're seeing. I think Yandle is a good guy to have even at this point in his career, if rotating him with a 7th d man, to avoid wearing down an older player faster. Right now, everyone is stretched. Why not rotate in either Zamula or York to reduce the load on the existing d men ? Older players who have to play more minutes will eventually wear down, which will have an impact in the 2nd half of the season - right about the time when a push might occur when injured players return. The results of playing the younger players can't be worse then what we're seeing now. It can only be positive to reduce minutes now for the d men, while giving a young d man some NHL experience. Who knows, maybe one of them exceeds expectations? We'll never know if they don't get a chance. But it seems they're going to continue rolling with the same line-up and expect different results. In my view, this could jeopardize the entire 21-22 campaign. I also think the same approach could be taken with Forster (when he returns from injury) - add him to the bottom 6, rotate someone from the top 6 to give him a playmaker and see if we can shake a couple goals loose. Other than Laughton and MacEwin, the bottom 6 hasn't been able to generate much. This idea may seem radical, but are these prospects growing under Lappy ? We have a need on the big club. Why not give them a chance to grow with the Flyers and let them benefit from a better coaching staff (while it is still around)

I agree with the cooler heads out there that might say to put the brakes on firing everyone. However, this regime was brought in to propel them higher than during Hextall's tenure. Not only has that not happened, but things are worse. CF put his chips all in on a player with an injury history. Perhaps it might have made more sense to hitch the wagon to a younger, albeit more expensive d man, but you see the risk and the results. 2nd time in 3 years we see break downs all over the ice due to the absence of the d man opposite Provy. They also put their hopes of the 3rd d pairing on an older player who was bought out for the reasons we're seeing. I think Yandle is a good guy to have even at this point in his career, if rotating him with a 7th d man, to avoid wearing down an older player faster. Right now, everyone is stretched. Why not rotate in either Zamula or York to reduce the load on the existing d men ? Older players who have to play more minutes will eventually wear down, which will have an impact in the 2nd half of the season - right about the time when a push might occur when injured players return. The results of playing the younger players can't be worse then what we're seeing now. It can only be positive to reduce minutes now for the d men, while giving a young d man some NHL experience. Who knows, maybe one of them exceeds expectations? We'll never know if they don't get a chance. But it seems they're going to continue rolling with the same line-up and expect different results. In my view, this could jeopardize the entire 21-22 campaign. I also think the same approach could be taken with Forster (when he returns from injury) - add him to the bottom 6, rotate someone from the top 6 to give him a playmaker and see if we can shake a couple goals loose. Other than Laughton and MacEwin, the bottom 6 hasn't been able to generate much. This idea may seem radical, but are these prospects growing under Lappy ? We have a need on the big club. Why not give them a chance to grow with the Flyers and let them benefit from a better coaching staff (while it is still around)
- BluehorseShoe64

100% correct

Yes, the NHL goes by it's dumb point system. That makes people feel good.

Reality: 8 wins in 20 games
- Scoob

Its no use. They play point percentages and not games. One team gets a point so its a tie, regardless that the other team gets an extra point because they scored more goals, method withstanding

that was the draft and develop strategy that failed. Picks sometimes take years to make an impact as we all know.

He ruined the primes of 3 very good players. All because he had no clue on what he wanted to do. Oh my bad he had a plan.
- hello it's me 2050

he should've let G, Jake and Couts know that it was a 15 yr plan. Chances are Jake never would've want to extend here if that was the case.

So Shane Doan is a great captain? All those Stanley Cups and deep playoff runs definitely prove that out.
- mickel25

huh?

huh?
- bradster

Wasn't the post you were responding too about how Doan was a great captain and how giroux is not?

Maybe I misread. If so, my apologies.

Hey unlike you my bias is towards action. Its funny in all those quotes you left out one important, and that is we should patient and see if this team can get healthy and play their way out of this like they did in 2019.

Yes I'm tired of waiting, the Rangers are contending within 4 years of their rebuild. So are you finally willing to admit that Hextall did not do a good job as GM? Clearly Gorton showed what a real GM can do with the Rangers, and now he is being rewarded with a new role in Montreal. Do you have any doubt Montreal will turn things around very quickly there also? I don't! Admit it, finally and once and for all, Hextall failed miserably here as Flyers GM and is responsible for where this team is right now!
- jd250

You have to wonder if hextall would have rather gone scorched earth or if there was a mandate to remain competitive for the playoffs (or make it appear so) during his rebuild/retool.

Its no use. They play point percentages and not games. One team gets a point so its a tie, regardless that the other team gets an extra point because they scored more goals, method withstanding
- THE BLACK HAND

yep - I get it

I understand (and hate) the point system. When I look at the standings I immediately condense the record from X-Y-Z to X-Y because that's a more accurate representation of the team's success and when playoffs roll around that's all that matters.

BuT ThE poInTs aRe WHaT gEt yOu tO tHe pLayOfFs!!!!!1

Yes, I know.

Damage control press conference for management front-man Fletcher. Anyone have a bingo card drawn up yet?

"Everyone has to be better"
"The buck stops with me"
"I believe in the coaching staff"
"I believe in the players"
"It's not an excuse, BUT (insert COVID, injuries here)"

etc etc.

Damage control press conference for management front-man Fletcher. Anyone have a bingo card drawn up yet?

"Everyone has to be better"
"The buck stops with me"
"I believe in the coaching staff"
"I believe in the players"
"It's not an excuse, BUT (insert COVID, injuries here)"

etc etc.
- StepfordSam

Love the last one

You have to wonder if hextall would have rather gone scorched earth or if there was a mandate to remain competitive for the playoffs (or make it appear so) during his rebuild/retool.
- Just5

I am on the record as saying the only mistake Hextall made was not going scorched earth when he was initially hired. The same mistakes we see today were prevalent over multiple coaches when Hextall was first brought on board. I know that is hard to do considering the type of season Voracek had.

I asked Bill the question earlier this season if Hextall had the option, and he responded that Hextall truly believed he could make it work with the players already here and rebuild on the fly. I do think it would've worked eventually, but it takes a long time. Feckless management lost patience.

So Shane Doan is a great captain? All those Stanley Cups and deep playoff runs definitely prove that out.
- mickel25

It’s about compete. Especially when you compare Coyotes always near bottom of payroll Flyers top yet Doan was able to lead guys to compete where G has proved incapable because it’s always the coach lol