You seem touchy about this topic but I’ve seen you act like this to other people here so I guess I should consider the source.
I hope you don’t act like this in your off line life!
I will say a prayer for your mental health.
- Hosher12

Here is my first post on this thread at 8:08PM ET. Before I made any comments about Sanheim. You should be embarrassed and retract your accusation.


- dubc55[i]What a mess. These guys are a joke. From the top down to the bottom. Another Fletcher "State of the Team Address" should do the trick. Yep.

In my opinion you were fine with that until you singled out Sanheim.

This is an indication of the effectiveness of my argument.

- MJL

MJL= effective argument

That should be a poll on this site. I don’t think you would like to see the results.

And about that coaching argument…

Hearing from someone I trust with a source that AV doesn't have support of players. Starting to tune him out. It seems to him that change will happen sooner rather than later.
- cdearth23

You needed to hear that from a trusted resource?

In my opinion you were fine with that until you singled out Sanheim.

- MJL

Wow, this is what you've resorted to? You said it was absurd that I singled out Sanheim when he's not the only problem. I just showed you evidence that I called out the entire organization first, before writing anything about Sanheim.

You're flat out wrong. Your accusation is baseless. Then you try some crap that I should have just stopped after calling out the entire team? Pretty low, even for you.

My original comment about Sanheim was reactionary while I was watching the game.

look out, Tocchet wants to coach again, it seems inevitable

If they fire AV just to bring in Tocchet, I’m totally checking out on this team.

They need to sell and sell hard, if they can (probably can’t), and suck drastically for several years and hope for extremely high picks. Maybe, just maybe they can get some star power then.
- Flyers1218

Why would they fire a coach who took TWO different teams to the finals? Why would they fire aJack Adam's winner?

Bill has laid out AV's coaching chops, and you need to fall inline

Hearing from someone I trust with a source that AV doesn't have support of players. Starting to tune him out. It seems to him that change will happen sooner rather than later.
- cdearth23

giroux sure does go through coaches fast

That’s also what they get for continuously wearing those heinous black uniforms

Why would they fire a coach who took TWO different teams to the finals? Why would they fire aJack Adam's winner?

Bill has laid out AV's coaching chops, and you need to fall inline
- corduroy

I'm not going to be happy unless Scott, Fletcher, AV, Therrien and Yeo are all gone. And bringing in Tocchet to coach wouldn't make me happy either.

look out, Tocchet wants to coach again, it seems inevitable
- jd250

My god. Just checking in now. Holy f. What a disaster this is turning into. I think the entire staff is getting canned in the next few days. I love this team but this is unacceptable.

I'm not going to be happy unless Scott, Fletcher, AV, Therrien and Yeo are all gone. And bringing in Tocchet to coach wouldn't make me happy either.
- rayc16

It’ll be a coaching change because that’s all you can do right now. It seems the team has given up on av. This is how many coaches though?

giroux sure does go through coaches fast
- 2Real

I think that’s what’s happened here. Maybe they are buddies with robin lehner.

I'm not going to be happy unless Scott, Fletcher, AV, Therrien and Yeo are all gone. And bringing in Tocchet to coach wouldn't make me happy either.
- rayc16

you will never be happy

Giroux doesn't seem to like any coaches that say you have to work hard every night. It's becoming rather obvious that the coach is a goner, but I really hope they flush the room out too including #28!! While he put up lots of pretty individual numbers he hasn't done squat in the leadership department during his tenure as captain. Results don't lie!! How many coaches is this since Giroux has been here?

It’ll be a coaching change because that’s all you can do right now. It seems the team has given up on av. This is how many coaches though?
- Hextall271

If any players give up on a coach is that a sign of lack of integrity/character on the players side? I bet we all worked for a couple of bad bosses but we still had to do our jobs.

F the players that don’t perform because they don’t like the boss! If I’m the GM I trade them first if I want a championship team.

Giroux doesn't seem to like any coaches that say you have to work hard every night. It's becoming rather obvious that the coach is a goner, but I really hope they flush the room out too including #28!! While he put up lots of pretty individual numbers he hasn't done squat in the leadership department during his tenure as captain. Results don't lie!! How many coaches is this since Giroux has been here?
- Phillywhiteout

5 if you count Gordon.
Peter L.
Craig B.
Scott G. (Interim)
Dave H.
Allan V.

I liked Claude in the early years, he has not aged well in the leadership and hustle category’s.

If any players give up on a coach is that a sign of lack of integrity/character on the players side? I bet we all worked for a couple of bad bosses but we still had to do our jobs.

F the players that don’t perform because they don’t like the boss! If I’m the GM I trade them first if I want a championship team.
- Hosher12

All good points and questions. I personally think they change coaches but that’s not the real issue.

I’ll tel you this. It’s starting to look like to goalies are losing confidence too from not being supported. If that’s the case, it’s gone off the (frank)ing rails. Even with injuries this is unacceptable.

5 if you count Gordon.
Peter L.
Craig B.
Scott G. (Interim)
Dave H.
Allan V.
- Hosher12

It’s not a good track record. I’d say it’ll be a coaching change soon to try to get the season back and then major player changes. What I feel is that especially if we’re eliminated by Jan and poke comes to the games then ownership will get mad.

Boy that captain is a pathetic POS

But we all know no one can say what he does or doesn’t say in the locker room so he probably was yelling at everyone & leading the right way hahahha all you defenders of him should be ashamed of yourselves letting him have his perform this way & run another coach out of town. You all are the problem. He picked up an assist tonight tho so he must be carrying the team. Biggest bum there is a disgraceful captain

All good points and questions. I personally think they change coaches but that’s not the real issue.

I’ll tel you this. It’s starting to look like to goalies are losing confidence too from not being supported. If that’s the case, it’s gone off the (frank)ing rails. Even with injuries this is unacceptable.
- Hextall271

Agreed! When this group goes bad it goes really bad! When the team is not performing that is when the leadership in the locker room is needed most and it doesn’t seem like there is much leadership there. It hasn’t for several years!

Agreed! When this group goes bad it goes really bad! When the team is not performing that is when the leadership in the locker room is needed most and it doesn’t seem like there is much leadership there. It hasn’t for several years!
- Hosher12

I don’t even know what the answer is at this point. Say you do trade g at the deadline, coots becomes the captain next year but he’s part of the leadership group. Love him but is he the guy to fix this with on ice leadership?

I don’t even know what the answer is at this point. Say you do trade g at the deadline, coots becomes the captain next year but he’s part of the leadership group. Love him but is he the guy to fix this with on ice leadership?
- Hextall271

It’s never up to 1 players but if the top players are not buying into the system, playing hard, putting in the work at practice/ meetings the rest of the team feeds off of that. You could tell Keith Jones talking about 4 line guy ( I forget his name Mcquin?) hustling and playing hard and that the Flyers need more of that. That effort should be coming from the captain and the other leaders in the team. It obviously is not there with this group! The rest of the players are following the leadership/ captains example, coast and get points at the end. Then hope people forget you coasted and point to your personal stats to deflect your lack of team results.

Oh well I think I / we are putting more time on this then they are!
Maybe a new goal song will keep the fans coming to the home games! Oh wait they already did that!

It’s never up to 1 players but if the top players are not buying into the system, playing hard, putting in the work at practice/ meetings the rest of the team feeds off of that. You could tell Keith Jones talking about 4 line guy ( I forget his name Mcquin?) hustling and playing hard and that the Flyers need more of that. That effort should be coming from the captain and the other leaders in the team. It obviously is not there with this group! The rest of the players are following the leadership/ captains example, coast and get points at the end. Then hope people forget you coasted and point to your personal stats to deflect your lack of team results.

Oh well I think I / we are putting more time on this then they are!
Maybe a new goal song will keep the fans coming to the home games! Oh wait they already did that!
- Hosher12

Not 1 team in the league would trade for G. He is the complete opposite of what any team wants