I'll never understand why some completely dismiss the production Giroux has put up in his career as leadership.
- MJL

I could go on and on, but it is rather apparent that this team lacks leadership on the ice and has for a long long time!! Yes, Giroux has put up impressive stats and that can't be denied, but the performance of the team has been downright awful at times. His tenure as captain has been by far the most disappointing decade of this franchises existence. Like it or not Giroux has been the face of this franchise during a very dark period, so it is natural that he is going to catch some shyte.

Ha ha, so I heard the theme of last night's game was beach night!! You can't make this shyte up, but I get it now. The Flyers were expecting a day at the beach, so they were just going along with the theme. Congrats to them!! I'm surprised JVR didn't come out with a pair of swim fins on!! Wouldn't have been any less effective than he was with skates on.

I could go on and on, but it is rather apparent that this team lacks leadership on the ice and has for a long long time!! Yes, Giroux has put up impressive stats and that can't be denied, but the performance of the team has been downright awful at times. His tenure as captain has been by far the most disappointing decade of this franchises existence. Like it or not Giroux has been the face of this franchise during a very dark period, so it is natural that he is going to catch some shyte.
- Phillywhiteout

Worst decade of my lifetime no doubt. I just think people go way overboard with blaming Giroux. He has basically dragged an under talented team to the playoffs multiple times. He just can't do that anymore. He needs to be a support player now not the ringleader in terms of production. I am fine with moving him. But I do not think that will solve a whole lot for this franchise in the near future.

So instead the Flyers should fire AV and his staff and bring in a another old and recycled coach like Bruce Boudreau, which is what Vancouver just did? This is going to help Hart's career? This team does not have the talent to compete in this league, plain and simple. No coach is going to change this fundamental fact IMO. I would rather hire a real coach versus hiring a rethread that you will be firing 2 years from now.
- jd250

I didn't say anything about bringing in an old and recycled coach. What makes you think they won't or can't do that in the off season? Stating that this team doesn't have the talent to compete in this league is simply wrong. They have the talent to be a playoff team. I guess it depends on what your definition of compete is. This team has a player mix issue, some talent issues and a major coaching issue. Dave Hakstol got far more out of a far less talented team that Vigneault has out of the Flyers.

Its comments like this that make G such a good leader.



The Flyers are aware of how bad they played and how bad their losing streak is. Giroux called the game “embarrassing” — but he also said hope is not gone.

“Personally, I’ve been on a team here, we lost 10 in a row and made the playoffs,” Giroux said. “So I know it’s maybe weird to say, but we do have confidence in each other. We know we can be a dangerous team. We know we can win some hockey games. It’s just right now, we need to find our swagger.”


Basicly saying..... relax boys we got'em right where we want'em
- Dr. Pepper

No, he's saying he is not going to quit on the season and wants to make the playoffs.

I could go on and on, but it is rather apparent that this team lacks leadership on the ice and has for a long long time!! Yes, Giroux has put up impressive stats and that can't be denied, but the performance of the team has been downright awful at times. His tenure as captain has been by far the most disappointing decade of this franchises existence. Like it or not Giroux has been the face of this franchise during a very dark period, so it is natural that he is going to catch some shyte.
- Phillywhiteout

The issue has not been leadership or Giroux. It has been the team surrounding Giroux. At best they've been a playoff bubble team for how long now? Look at the progression. Giroux as a young guy, is in the finals in 2010. The Pronger injury and the trade of Carter and Richards. Holmgren realizes he is a dinosaur and doesn't know how to build in a cap environment. The reset and subsequent firing of Hextall. Now to this. Give him a team that can compete for the Cup.

No, he's saying he is not going to quit on the season and wants to make the playoffs.
- MJL

Do you have any theory as to what is going on with Coots? Is he hurt or just in a complete funk?

Worst decade of my lifetime no doubt. I just think people go way overboard with blaming Giroux. He has basically dragged an under talented team to the playoffs multiple times. He just can't do that anymore. He needs to be a support player now not the ringleader in terms of production. I am fine with moving him. But I do not think that will solve a whole lot for this franchise in the near future.
- mickel25

Do you have any theory as to what is going on with Coots? Is he hurt or just in a complete funk?
- Hextall271

Good question. I just think he's not playing well like the rest of the team. They need a new coach. They can't play the way he wants them to play. I saw a rush last night in the game. I think it was in the 2nd period. It was basically a 4 on 2 for the Flyers. With a really good look at the net. Nobody wanted to shoot the puck. Giroux may believe that they have confidence in each other but they certainly don't have individual confidence. This is a mirror image of last season.

I could go on and on, but it is rather apparent that this team lacks leadership on the ice and has for a long long time!! Yes, Giroux has put up impressive stats and that can't be denied, but the performance of the team has been downright awful at times. His tenure as captain has been by far the most disappointing decade of this franchises existence. Like it or not Giroux has been the face of this franchise during a very dark period, so it is natural that he is going to catch some shyte.
- Phillywhiteout

points don't equal leadership. Seems pretty simple. Not sure how the two are even related.

As an aside. What In the world is up with the isles?
- Just5

They will blame Covid, and the 13 games on the road to start the season. They are toast. Not coming back from an 11 game losing streak.

The issue has not been leadership or Giroux. It has been the team surrounding Giroux. At best they've been a playoff bubble team for how long now? Look at the progression. Giroux as a young guy, is in the finals in 2010. The Pronger injury and the trade of Carter and Richards. Holmgren realizes he is a dinosaur and doesn't know how to build in a cap environment. The reset and subsequent firing of Hextall. Now to this. Give him a team that can compete for the Cup.
- MJL

You said in the offseason that you thought last season was a one off and not a reflection of the team, and thought the team was the team that had a really hot 30 game stretch the year before. Do you still think that?

They will blame Covid, and the 13 games on the road to start the season. They are toast. Not coming back from an 11 game losing streak.
- PLindbergh31

I would not sell on the Isles just yet.

I would not sell on the Isles just yet.
- mickel25

Just a lack of leadership on that Isles team.

The issue has not been leadership or Giroux. It has been the team surrounding Giroux. At best they've been a playoff bubble team for how long now? Look at the progression. Giroux as a young guy, is in the finals in 2010. The Pronger injury and the trade of Carter and Richards. Holmgren realizes he is a dinosaur and doesn't know how to build in a cap environment. The reset and subsequent firing of Hextall. Now to this. Give him a team that can compete for the Cup.
- MJL

We can put as much blame on Giroux as we want or put no blame on Giroux, but to say this team doesn't have a leadership issue make my eyes go back in their sockets. Who are the veteran leaders on this team? Laughts? Hayes? JVR? This team oozes bad on ice leadership qualities. Last night was a perfect example of what I'm talking about. They actually come out with some energy and play half decent, and then Tampa scores a goal and the whole complexion of the game changes from that point on. This has been going on for years. Any little bit of adversity kills these sad sacks and to me that is a team lacking on ice veteran leadership.

They will blame Covid, and the 13 games on the road to start the season. They are toast. Not coming back from an 11 game losing streak.
- PLindbergh31

I hate to say this, but if I had to put money on it I would bet on the Isles coming back from the hole that they're in versus the Flyers recovering from their valley of hell. On a positive note, at least the Flyers didn't hire Brucy Boy!! How does that clown keep getting jobs?

So who do the Canucks have that the Flyers should trade for?

I'm sure this will end well.
- DrMidnite

It did, they scored a PP goal

I hate to say this, but if I had to put money on it I would bet on the Isles coming back from the hole that they're in versus the Flyers recovering from their valley of hell. On a positive note, at least the Flyers didn't hire Brucy Boy!! How does that clown keep getting jobs?
- Phillywhiteout

Of course, but just too large a hole to dig out of. Fishsticks aren't making the playoffs.

We can put as much blame on Giroux as we want or put no blame on Giroux, but to say this team doesn't have a leadership issue make my eyes go back in their sockets. Who are the veteran leaders on this team? Laughts? Hayes? JVR? This team oozes bad on ice leadership qualities. Last night was a perfect example of what I'm talking about. They actually come out with some energy and play half decent, and then Tampa scores a goal and the whole complexion of the game changes from that point on. This has been going on for years. Any little bit of adversity kills these sad sacks and to me that is a team lacking on ice veteran leadership.
- Phillywhiteout

If you look at the numbers from the game, it shows that the Flyers skated hard and played with effort. They just can't score for a variety of reasons. They don't play as a team with puck support. They play as individuals. Passing up clear shot opportunities and playing with poor structure. You can play as hard as you can under those circumstances and it's not going to matter. The also have a major confidence issue as individuals. Blame Giroux all you want for not being able to single handedly overcome all of that. This is the same argument that was made last season. Need to change the culture and all that nonsense.

I hate to say this, but if I had to put money on it I would bet on the Isles coming back from the hole that they're in versus the Flyers recovering from their valley of hell. On a positive note, at least the Flyers didn't hire Brucy Boy!! How does that clown keep getting jobs?
- Phillywhiteout

His looks creep me out. You can't trust a guy without eye brows. I mean, why can't he just pencil them in like uncle Leo from Seinfeld..

Of course, but just too large a hole to dig out of. Fishsticks aren't making the playoffs.
- PLindbergh31

Can someone who really cares, please bookmark this for future reference.

I don't even know the answer right now. Friedman had said that while AV is on the hot seat, that the team may be reluctant to can him and have to keep paying him 5 mil a year for nothing. But how long can you let this go? If the ship doesn't get righted right away and they end up losing like 14 of 15 games, they are toast for a playoff spot even with a 10 game winning streak. There's no coming back if and when Ellis, Bee etc return. It's amazing to me that we're right back into the same mess we were last year essentially.
- Hextall271

Actually it's a bit worse than that. The Fletcher traded just about every asset the Flyers had (long term cap space, draft picks, young players) to go all in this year and it's worked out pretty much how I expected.

The only good thing is that Ellis has missed his obligatory 20+ games a season already and will hopefully be healthy for the rest of the year when he returns.

Will things improve if AV get's fired, hopefully but it seems to often the Flyers brass rearranges the deck chairs on the titanic without any real plan.

If you look at the numbers from the game, it shows that the Flyers skated hard and played with effort. They just can't score for a variety of reasons. They don't play as a team with puck support. They play as individuals. Passing up clear shot opportunities and playing with poor structure. You can play as hard as you can under those circumstances and it's not going to matter. The also have a major confidence issue as individuals. Blame Giroux all you want for not being able to single handedly overcome all of that. This is the same argument that was made last season. Need to change the culture and all that nonsense.
- MJL

It's like the other team has been together for years and the Flyers are just meeting each other for the first time. Disjointed.

It's like the other team has been together for years and the Flyers are just meeting each other for the first time. Disjointed.
- mickel25

Scrambled up a bunch of players in a pick up game. It's been that way since last year. They won some games early in the season which is always the easiest hockey due to some hot shooting and outstanding goaltending. You could see this coming since the start of the season.