I agree. I'm not saying a rebuild can't or won't happen. But I'll believe it when I see it.
- Pelle31Forever

I disagree with your agreement, and agree with your skepticism.

The disagreement is that fans are ready for a total rebuild. Rebuilds are long, and what happened the last few weeks needs to be tolerated for months, and indeed years, without any guarantee that the pain will pay off. A year or two at most down the rebuild, fans will get impatient. Look already at the teeth-gnashing, even though, honestly, this is the best that could happen to us in the long run.

And I do agree with your skepticism but not for the reasons that Comcast is inept. Indeed, I believe they have done a masterful job of running the franchise. They bought the club to obtain a somewhat anachronistically feudal franchise and fanbase. Franchise value has soared, they have obtained downstream programming for their channels, Xfinity Live! is very profitable, and the stadium attendance has been close to the best in the league.

I think they can get by for a few more years with the same strategy. They can get another coach, they can fire Fletcher, they can claim injuries to older players and inexperience of younger ones. They can shuffle some pieces when the fans get a little restless.

And its not like they have much choice, really, even if they wanted to go against their economic interests (and I really don't see why they should). Ellis is signed for 5 years after this. Hayes and Couturier have NTCs. Provorvov and TK have fairly long, fairly expensive deals, and all of them are far closer to mediocre than elite in the positions they play/are projected (as 1st liners).

Ok.ok.ok. But if you LOSE in ot you WIN 1 point.

- Minnyhock

or do you lose one point?

or do you lose one point?
- corduroy

See what you started. I’ve had enough.

Sure, why not? Philly is as good a place to play as anywhere else. There are Adam Foxes out there, and there are players as good as Panarin out there. The key is finding them and developing them.
- jd250

It is a great place to play. Unless you want to win a cup. Or play with players who have offensive skills.

I disagree with your agreement, and agree with your skepticism.

The disagreement is that fans are ready for a total rebuild. Rebuilds are long, and what happened the last few weeks needs to be tolerated for months, and indeed years, without any guarantee that the pain will pay off. A year or two at most down the rebuild, fans will get impatient. Look already at the teeth-gnashing, even though, honestly, this is the best that could happen to us in the long run.

And I do agree with your skepticism but not for the reasons that Comcast is inept. Indeed, I believe they have done a masterful job of running the franchise. They bought the club to obtain a somewhat anachronistically feudal franchise and fanbase. Franchise value has soared, they have obtained downstream programming for their channels, Xfinity Live! is very profitable, and the stadium attendance has been close to the best in the league.

I think they can get by for a few more years with the same strategy. They can get another coach, they can fire Fletcher, they can claim injuries to older players and inexperience of younger ones. They can shuffle some pieces when the fans get a little restless.

And its not like they have much choice, really, even if they wanted to go against their economic interests (and I really don't see why they should). Ellis is signed for 5 years after this. Hayes and Couturier have NTCs. Provorvov and TK have fairly long, fairly expensive deals, and all of them are far closer to mediocre than elite in the positions they play/are projected (as 1st liners).
- PT21

Until the 19/20 season, the Flyers average attendance didn't waiver much. Really nothing to do with what Comcast has done. Are there any NHL franchises that have not risen in value over the years? I do agree that the fans will never stomach it. It will only be the best thing that can happen if the team wises up. I don't believe they will.

I disagree with your agreement, and agree with your skepticism.

The disagreement is that fans are ready for a total rebuild. Rebuilds are long, and what happened the last few weeks needs to be tolerated for months, and indeed years, without any guarantee that the pain will pay off. A year or two at most down the rebuild, fans will get impatient. Look already at the teeth-gnashing, even though, honestly, this is the best that could happen to us in the long run.

And I do agree with your skepticism but not for the reasons that Comcast is inept. Indeed, I believe they have done a masterful job of running the franchise. They bought the club to obtain a somewhat anachronistically feudal franchise and fanbase. Franchise value has soared, they have obtained downstream programming for their channels, Xfinity Live! is very profitable, and the stadium attendance has been close to the best in the league.

I think they can get by for a few more years with the same strategy. They can get another coach, they can fire Fletcher, they can claim injuries to older players and inexperience of younger ones. They can shuffle some pieces when the fans get a little restless.

And its not like they have much choice, really, even if they wanted to go against their economic interests (and I really don't see why they should). Ellis is signed for 5 years after this. Hayes and Couturier have NTCs. Provorvov and TK have fairly long, fairly expensive deals, and all of them are far closer to mediocre than elite in the positions they play/are projected (as 1st liners).
- PT21

Fans will be impatient no matter what. We're tired of failing all these years and that we have no management that can figure out a formula that works. We've tried everything but tanking.

Flyers picked up a defender today from the Panthers off of waivers. Probably already their 4th best defender ahead of Yandle and Seeler.

Bad drafting or bad player development? Which ever it is the Flyers need to fix it.
- landros 2

I really wonder about our development. How do the Pens play so many young guys and we don’t?

See what you started. I’ve had enough.



- Minnyhock

It is pretty simple - if you do not win or tie a game, you have lost that game. This is not rocket math or brain English; simpletons should understand it!

Flyers picked up a defender today from the Panthers off of waivers. Probably already their 4th best defender ahead of Yandle and Seeler.
- Phillywhiteout

He also has at least one goal against the Flyers, if not more -- will never score in Orange and Black

Flyers claimed defensemen Kevin Connauton off waivers. He's better than Seeler at least.
- PLindbergh31

Why not Zamula or Honigberg? Guy seems like another retread. Not impressed with Brown, Seeler or Yandle. If we suck, let’s see what the young guys can do. Bring up Maxim and Sandin too.

Why not Zamula or Honigberg? Guy seems like another retread. Not impressed with Brown, Seeler or Yandle. If we suck, let’s see what the young guys can do. Bring up Maxim and Sandin too.
- iamscore2day

Flyers have a bunch of road games coming up. They need to have a 7th defenseman. Aren't going to call up a kid for that.

Until the 19/20 season, the Flyers average attendance didn't waiver much. Really nothing to do with what Comcast has done. Are there any NHL franchises that have not risen in value over the years? I do agree that the fans will never stomach it. It will only be the best thing that can happen if the team wises up. I don't believe they will.
- MJL

I was really referring to the fact that they managed to fill that stadium while icing a bubble team and selling it as more than that. Maybe masterful was too strong... competent might be more accurate 😂

Why not Zamula or Honigberg? Guy seems like another retread. Not impressed with Brown, Seeler or Yandle. If we suck, let’s see what the young guys can do. Bring up Maxim and Sandin too.
- iamscore2day

do we really want to expose them to this dysfunction and ruin their confidence? also the phantoms have a ton of injuries

Fans will be impatient no matter what. We're tired of failing all these years and that we have no management that can figure out a formula that works. We've tried everything but tanking.
- 2Real

Well, they can't tank now even if they wanted to. Those contracts are not going anywhere.

Only 1 thing can change the pretty predictable dynamic of the club next 5-7 years. If there are key injuries like Ellis and we get locked into long skids like the current one for several years and we end up drafting high repeatedly. The "inadvertent tank"

That seems pretty unlikely to me.

Well, they can't tank now even if they wanted to. Those contracts are not going anywhere.

Only 1 thing can change the pretty predictable dynamic of the club next 5-7 years. If there are key injuries like Ellis and we get locked into long skids like the current one for several years and we end up drafting high repeatedly. The "inadvertent tank"

That seems pretty unlikely to me.
- PT21

I get a kick out of fans that say they're tired of waiting and then advocate for a plan of action that is only to likely cause them to wait longer.

Well, they can't tank now even if they wanted to. Those contracts are not going anywhere.

Only 1 thing can change the pretty predictable dynamic of the club next 5-7 years. If there are key injuries like Ellis and we get locked into long skids like the current one for several years and we end up drafting high repeatedly. The "inadvertent tank"

That seems pretty unlikely to me.
- PT21

I have always wanted to be the smartest person in the room, but then I read your posts

Well, the Sens goalie apparently is saving Trotz's job with the Isles.. ughh

do we really want to expose them to this dysfunction and ruin their confidence? also the phantoms have a ton of injuries
- 2Real

We need to see what we have in them. There is no perfect opportunity. These guys have been traveling and playing for many years. Neither is even from North America. I think they will appreciate the chance.

Flyers have a bunch of road games coming up. They need to have a 7th defenseman. Aren't going to call up a kid for that.
- MJL

Right. Because a guy from Russia and another one from Sweden can’t handle travel within North America. They’re dying to play and will appreciate the opportunity.

I get a kick out of fans that say they're tired of waiting and then advocate for a plan of action that is only to likely cause them to wait longer.
- MJL

Well, they were fatigued by a waiting process already that was both long and abstract.

I am praying for Ellis' ill health, or at least, his absence from the line up. That is the glue that has come off.

Right. Because a guy from Russia and another one from Sweden can’t handle travel within North America. They’re dying to play and will appreciate the opportunity.
- iamscore2day

You think it's about travel?

I have always wanted to be the smartest person in the room, but then I read your posts
- corduroy

Please don't feel bad. You will always be the smartest guy in your bathroom.

Well, they were fatigued by a waiting process already that was both long and abstract.

I am praying for Ellis' ill health, or at least, his absence from the line up. That is the glue that has come off.
- PT21

I would disagree with that description. I also would never root for a player to remain injured and not be able to play. To each his own though.

RIP BoB Dole rip 🙏 he was good old GOP

- Phillywhiteout

Amen