Please don't feel bad. You will always be the smartest guy in your bathroom.
- PT21

True -- I will also always be the smartest guy when my screen name is on the same message board as you, and most definitely when I respond to you.

Please feel free to not respond to my posts, and I will do the same.

Happy Channukah, merry Christmas, happy kwanza, or whatever you and your family celebrate at this time of year

True -- I will also always be the smartest guy when my screen name is on the same message board as you, and most definitely when I respond to you.

Please feel free to not respond to my posts, and I will do the same.

Happy Channukah, merry Christmas, happy kwanza, or whatever you and your family celebrate at this time of year
- corduroy

He's waiting for Chinese new year and his red envelopes

This has been so rough for us fans. Many good points have been made by those on here. The powers that be have to put the team first. I'm all about records, etc, but Yandle should sit. Huge Lindblom fan and so tragic what happened, but he just isn't good and should not be playing on the big club. I was so hopeful with the offseason moves as we needed to make changes to the core. Was always a Jake fan, but it was time to move on. Was never a Ghost fan and who cares what he is doing in Phoenix. Love Atkinson and Risto...if the team was better overall, they would be well worth the trades. As someone said, maybe we can go on a nice run and get back into contention...no matter our differences, we are all fans and can always hope!

Well, they can't tank now even if they wanted to. Those contracts are not going anywhere.

Only 1 thing can change the pretty predictable dynamic of the club next 5-7 years. If there are key injuries like Ellis and we get locked into long skids like the current one for several years and we end up drafting high repeatedly. The "inadvertent tank"

That seems pretty unlikely to me.
- PT21

well if they wanted to sink to a new low they could trade giroux and braun at a minimum at the TDL

True -- I will also always be the smartest guy when my screen name is on the same message board as you, and most definitely when I respond to you.

Please feel free to not respond to my posts, and I will do the same.

Happy Channukah, merry Christmas, happy kwanza, or whatever you and your family celebrate at this time of year
- corduroy

I will take this to mean that you read my posts in your bathroom, which I always suspected.

It's Hanukkah. You really shouldn't be speaking with challah clogging your mouth.

well if they wanted to sink to a new low they could trade giroux and braun at a minimum at the TDL
- 2Real

Won't be enough...

I would disagree with that description. I also would never root for a player to remain injured and not be able to play. To each his own though.
- MJL

Well, an alternative would be a sudden bottoming out of his abilities, like say, Lecavalier.

Let him play, just very ineffectively. That would do it, too.

Was listening to Boomer and Hahn on the NHL Sirius/XM Network this afternoon, and they were discussing trading Giroux. They seem to think he would fetch a first rounder and a prospect if he were to be traded. Do it!! Although I'm guessing this would occur closer to the trade deadline.
- Phillywhiteout

This is pretty much a no brainer at this point. Get the 1st and maybe consider bringing him back in the off-season. I probably wouldn’t. But I’d at least consider it.

They need all the long term assets they can get moving forward. Anyone over 27 should be available for the right price.

I will take this to mean that you read my posts in your bathroom, which I always suspected.

It's Hanukkah. You really shouldn't be speaking with challah clogging your mouth.
- PT21

dude i do my best thinking on the toilet

I will take this to mean that you read my posts in your bathroom, which I always suspected.

It's Hanukkah. You really shouldn't be speaking with challah clogging your mouth.
- PT21

Only place where your comments are worth anything.

From Mike Sielski of the Inquirer:

Put simply, the Flyers don’t have enough good players, and they haven’t for a long, long time, and it will take an even longer stretch of time for them to gather enough to be an elite team again. The notion that the Flyers were “underachieving” this season under Vigneault gets the framing exactly wrong. Given their draft history since 2003, they are achieving. They are exactly the team they ought to be based on the amount and quality of talent they have found, developed, and retained.

I couldn't express this any better myself, to me its completely spot on!

From Mike Sielski of the Inquirer:



I couldn't express this any better myself, to me its completely spot on!
- jd250

So this is another course correction you've made since just yesterday?

Although Sielski doesn't have it completely spot on.

From Mike Sielski of the Inquirer:



I couldn't express this any better myself, to me its completely spot on!
- jd250

How could Ronnie and his 8 first round draft picks and trading up to get very high second round picks not give us good enough talent? Seems like it would actually be hard to do. Hopefully we have better luck with Chucks picks. Time will tell.
Or JOB will come in and save the day, and Frost will be a really good #2 C. But I am not counting on either. But i do like Frost, just not sure his ceiling.

So this is another course correction you've made since just yesterday?

Although Sielski doesn't have it completely spot on.
- MJL

There is no course correction here. I agree with what I quoted and I have been saying this exact thing on this forum since the start of last season! I can see why you might not agree, after all it does not reflect well on Hextall, however the article does back Hextall in the sense that it states rebuilds take time and Hextall was not given the time. I agree that rebuilds can take a lot of time and in fact you may never get there, as long as you keep missing on your picks. Hextall to me deserved to be canned because more than anything else, he missed on too many picks!

There is no course correction here. I agree with what I quoted and I have been saying this exact thing on this forum since the start of last season! I can see why you might not agree, after all it does not reflect well on Hextall, however the article does back Hextall in the sense that it states rebuilds take time and Hextall was not given the time. I agree that rebuilds can take a lot of time and in fact you may never get there, as long as you keep missing on your picks. Hextall to me deserved to be canned because more than anything else, he missed on too many picks!
- jd250

I think the toxic work environment Hextall fostered was a huge part of him being let go. No one wants to work in a place like that, and was against everything Snider and the flyers tried to be. The poor drafting while trying to rebuild sure didn't help.

There is no course correction here. I agree with what I quoted and I have been saying this exact thing on this forum since the start of last season! I can see why you might not agree, after all it does not reflect well on Hextall, however the article does back Hextall in the sense that it states rebuilds take time and Hextall was not given the time. I agree that rebuilds can take a lot of time and in fact you may never get there, as long as you keep missing on your picks. Hextall to me deserved to be canned because more than anything else, he missed on too many picks!
- jd250

You've been saying the same exact thing on this forum since the start of last season? Oh my goodness.


You even go on and further contradict yourself with this post.

Here you go with the Hextall schtick again.

My disagreement has nothing to do with Hextall and has to do with what the guy who wrote that has wrong. If he sticks to the context of not having what it takes to be elite, he's correct. However this team is underachieving and has the talent to be in the playoff hunt. One of the big factors is that they were poorly coached under Vigneault.

How could Ronnie and his 8 first round draft picks and trading up to get very high second round picks not give us good enough talent? Seems like it would actually be hard to do. Hopefully we have better luck with Chucks picks. Time will tell.
Or JOB will come in and save the day, and Frost will be a really good #2 C. But I am not counting on either. But i do like Frost, just not sure his ceiling.
- bradster

But its not just about Ron Hextall here. Holmgren drafted some good players but not enough of them. Fletcher has had 3 drafts now and his1st and 2nd round picks include: York, Brink, Attard, Foerster, Andrea, Wisdom & Tuomaala. So far 3 NHL games from York and that is it. Now I understand players need time to develop but not one player he drafted was ready for the NHL. For the past two decades drafting has just not been good enough.

But its not just about Ron Hextall here. Holmgren drafted some good players but not enough of them. Fletcher has had 3 drafts now and his1st and 2nd round picks include: York, Brink, Attard, Foerster, Andrea, Wisdom & Tuomaala. So far 3 NHL games from York and that is it. Now I understand players need time to develop but not one player he drafted was ready for the NHL. For the past two decades drafting has just not been good enough.
- jd250

Where the Flyers have been drafting, it's not uncommon for drafted players to take some time to get to the NHL. I can't help but think how this reflects on your statement yesterday that the Flyers could get 3 first round picks and add 3 players to the lineup right away for next season. Unicorns and pixie dust.

There is no course correction here. I agree with what I quoted and I have been saying this exact thing on this forum since the start of last season! I can see why you might not agree, after all it does not reflect well on Hextall, however the article does back Hextall in the sense that it states rebuilds take time and Hextall was not given the time. I agree that rebuilds can take a lot of time and in fact you may never get there, as long as you keep missing on your picks. Hextall to me deserved to be canned because more than anything else, he missed on too many picks!
- jd250

https://twitter.com/jroc9.../1468211293677051909?s=20

@AntSanPhilly
I think I remember you tweeting out at one point that the Flyers scouts didn’t want to draft Nolan Patrick but Hextall wanted Patrick. Was this you? And who did the Flyers scouts want to draft?

Yes. That was me. The scouts were recommending either Makar or Heiskanen. Hextall took Patrick.

Where the Flyers have been drafting, it's not uncommon for drafted players to take some time to get to the NHL. I can't help but think how this reflects on your statement yesterday that the Flyers could get 3 first round picks and add 3 players to the lineup right away for next season. Unicorns and pixie dust.
- MJL

I said that yesterday as a best case scenario, you draft high and get 3 good players in a deep draft. Sure its pie in the sky hope, but that what I believe has to happen in order for this team, and franchise, to move in the right direction. We have to make up for all the missed opportunities in the past and start hitting on some freak'n picks!

https://twitter.com/jroc967/status/1468211293677051909?s=20

@AntSanPhilly
I think I remember you tweeting out at one point that the Flyers scouts didn’t want to draft Nolan Patrick but Hextall wanted Patrick. Was this you? And who did the Flyers scouts want to draft?

Yes. That was me. The scouts were recommending either Makar or Heiskanen. Hextall took Patrick.
- Robert's Plant

To be fair, and Meltzer explained this, it was not just Hextall that picked Patrick but also there were scouts that wanted him also. So the scouts were split between the 3 players and Hextall wanted what he thought would be a dominant center. It didn't work out obviously. I wanted Makar because I got to watch him here at UMass, but that was my bias.

You've been saying the same exact thing on this forum since the start of last season? Oh my goodness.


You even go on and further contradict yourself with this post.

Here you go with the Hextall schtick again.

My disagreement has nothing to do with Hextall and has to do with what the guy who wrote that has wrong. If he sticks to the context of not having what it takes to be elite, he's correct. However this team is underachieving and has the talent to be in the playoff hunt. One of the big factors is that they were poorly coached under Vigneault.
- MJL

Well if you're right, in about 10 games we should see this current team winning at a consistent rate. I actually hope, and this is sad for me to admit this, this season blows up and Fletcher is forced to be a seller at the deadline, so we can reset this thing once and for all.

In retrospect would you have offer sheeted Makar?

Well if you're right, in about 10 games we should see this current team winning at a consistent rate. I actually hope, and this is sad for me to admit this, this season blows up and Fletcher is forced to be a seller at the deadline, so we can reset this thing once and for all.
- jd250

Curious how many top teams out there right now, have not had more than 2 top 10 picks to get where they are now.
Florida has had 3 top 2 picks.
Toronto 3 top 5 picks
Tamps 4 top 6 picks
Colorado 4 top 4 picks

I am seeing a trend here.
Flyers have 1 top 5 picks that was a bust. Then provy was #7.
Cant do a rebuild without top 3 picks. So you need to hit rock bottom and make your picks count, don't take a gamble like patrick.

Curious how many top teams out there right now, have not had more than 2 top 10 picks to get where they are now.
Florida has had 3 top 2 picks.
Toronto 3 top 5 picks
Tamps 4 top 6 picks
Colorado 4 top 4 picks

I am seeing a trend here.
Flyers have 1 top 5 picks that was a bust. Then provy was #7.
Cant do a rebuild without top 3 picks. So you need to hit rock bottom and make your picks count, don't take a gamble like patrick.
- bradster

The Flyers were gifted that # 2 pick, weren't slotted to draft around 13th? Get a gift, and what do they do with it? Picking second and the pick literally turning into nothing is a joke. Don't want to hear about consensus of scouts/talking heads in the media etc. Patrick had an injury history pre-draft. Case closed. The fact the 3 players drafted right after him being studs is just an extra kick to the balls.