Here’s the problem with hextall approach… we will never know because he was fired way to soon by a corporate fool. Hexy said it wasn’t go time. Who knows what moves he would’ve made when he was fired. Scott wanted hart up and hexy wouldn’t do it. I think it’s safe to safe hexy was right. At least in that case. I think hexy big mistake was not tearing it down from day 1. Could’ve gotten a lot for players at time like g coots summer etc… be that as it may fletch needs to go and so does Scott. Full rebuild. Coots should’ve never been signed long term and who knows if they can even trade him. The longer they wait and the longer these players play bad the harder to find a sucker to take them
- Stayin alive

YA, once he decided to trade Schenn, he needed to go all in. Totally didn't make sense to try and be competitive to draft in the teens. What a waste of years.

Didn’t expect much from yandle but surprised he is not doing better on the p p. And imo he was not ghosts replacement. Ellis was. Imo.
- Peter Richards

Ellis was supposed to be play on the top pairing and maybe get some PP2 time. That's not Ghost's role.

They weren't added to move the needle. Did you even read the post or what the context was? Obviously not.


I wish we had Gudas over Ristolainen. Gudas is the better player.
- MJL

I wish Niskaken hadn't retired. The best of the three.

this isnt unique to the flyers by any stretch, but its absolutely ridiculous what it would cost say an average family of four to go catch a game. imagine plunking down 600 and change and going and sitting through last nights game.
- stayinthefnnet

Yep... Brutal!

Farabee to IR. Cates recalled. I guess they finally realized Willman and Bunnaman are slugs.

Farabee to IR. Cates recalled. I guess they finally realized Willman and Bunnaman are slugs.
- PLindbergh31

is cates really going to be the savior?

Provorov has never been a good point producer on the PP and really in my opinion, shouldn't be on the top PP unit. Provorov has actually led the NHL in goals for defenseman one season. Ristolainen isn't close to Provorov. Provorov is a decent #1 or a strong #2 NHL defenseman. Ristolainen is a mediocre 2nd pair defenseman.
- MJL

Provorov has 29 points on the PP since AV was hired. Only Giroux and TK have more. And his PPP/60 rate of 4.31 is reasonably good - right around Voracek and Couturier.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...Points&page=0&pageSize=50

I think we should all write letters to gritty

Fire Dave Scott.
- AngryJoe

Kind of a dumb question, but who would be the person or persons responsible for that? I'm assuming their is someone higher up at Comcast.

is cates really going to be the savior?
- 2Real

Of course not. But how many times are they going to call up the same bums before they realize they can't play.

Friedman said:

"The Flyers are expected to quickly hire someone to coach the defence. We’ve spent a lot of time talking Elias Pettersson’s struggles, but Ivan Provorov is another really talented youngster who does not look anything like himself. One rumoured possibility: Adam Foote, who certainly maximized his own ability.”
- arichardson22

Lappy’s buddy? I guess that means Lappy is staying put.

You take one puck to the face and you’re on the payroll for life lol

Voracek has 1 goal this year
Atkinson has 9.

Voracek has 20 pts
Atkinson has 14.

Atkinson's cap hit is cheaper than Voracek.

No. The Flyers are not missing Voracek...who picked up another meaningless assist vs Toronto on a meaningless goal with 1 second left in the game....a loss to the leafs.

They missed the playoffs with Voracek. Now, they will miss the playoffs without him. Wow! He sure was a difference maker.

As for Ghost, the Coyotes are worse than the Flyers.

If he had value, somebody would have picked him up for free on waivers last year. Somebody would have traded for him this off-season without the Flyers having to give up a pick to move him out.

Stop over-valuing players just because they played for the Flyers. 10 years is long enough. These players are not that good!
- Captain_Ahab

We’ll said.

Success has many fathers; failure is an orphan.
- Gogol

Wasn’t he quoting Napoleon?

Ek: Korpisalo

Hart and Jones are not the issue here. Why would the Flyers be in on him when there are other much more pressing concerns?
- Scoob

Why would the Flyers be in in anyone? Sell, sell, sell!

Farabee to IR. Cates recalled. I guess they finally realized Willman and Bunnaman are slugs.
- PLindbergh31

Isn’t W already up?

The point is those were the Flyers' two top transition and entry players. And now we're left with a team that can't get the puck thru the NZ and over the blueline to save their lives. It was predictable as hell.
- Tomahawk

Welcome to a cap world. You should see my shocked face right now.

Who is hockey’s Sam Hinkie? That’s who they need

Forget building. They need a tear down expert
- Just5

I think the flyers need hockey’s Ray Finkle

is cates really going to be the savior?
- 2Real

Not all superheroes wear cates

You keep harping on Panarin and Fox like they are the two bet players on the planet and the Rangers have nothing else!!! First of all, there is nothing lucky about signing a free agent! If the Flyers had the cap space and wanted Panarin, they could have outbid the Rangers and Panarin would be playing here, so WTF are you talking about?? The Flyers did not have the cap space BECAUSE they decided to try a hybrid approach, and this is one of the reasons it DOESN'T WORK! The Rangers had the cap space because they were willing to reset and get rid of several high priced veterans, exactly what the Flyers must do now!
- jd250

I'm harping on Panaring and Fox because without them, the Rangers are just another team. Both players have substantially upgraded that team. For the reasons previously discussed, I don't see the Rangers as a good model to emulate. There is absolutely something lucky when that free agent wants to play for your team over all others and will take less money to do so. You saying that the Flyers could've outbid the Rangers doesn't consider that other teams reportedly did outbid the Rangers. So I would ask WTF are you talking about? Not well thought out.
Again, if you think the Flyers can do what the Rangers did, you are misguided. As misguided as you've been all along with the culture change etc. Do yourself a favor and look at the UFA list for the next few years.

This mess is 100% on the players and their performance...or lack of
They dont even show a desire to win. I dont think its the type of players either. Just a lack of effort and doing what it takes to win.
We have talent on this team, but if they dont show up and compete hard, they wont win .

How many coaches does it take to get fired before the players get the blame ?
Shouldve traded tk last year, mailing it in for another year. See Ya
- bradster

There are only 3 players here from Hak times. Let’s blame them for the team not having system, chemistry, speed.
The blame should be on the people who brought that slop together.

they made some major strokes of smart thinking/foresight and i do give them credit for being blunt about taking the plunge, but there is no way there wasnt some good fortune involved. two major pieces virtually picking them as the belle of the ball will go a long way towards expediting however someone wants to label a process.

for all of these teams that make it, its always some combination of genius, luck, resources and health.
- stayinthefnnet

Yup

When things are going good he’s a good player, thanks for telling us everything we’ve already known. 2 years of bad play, 400 games in, he needs to be better regardless of partner.
- ClaudeFather

Says who? Is this why fourth line players play with first line players?

How many bad partners did Kimmo Timonen have when Kimmo played here? Coburn was a very healthy and reliable partner. The same for Matt Carle. We even upgraded over Kimmo Timonen by bringing in Chris Pronger. So a great example here is, sure there are better defenseman out there than Ivan Provorov but on a defense like is, I don’t know what you expect from one player with not much around him. It should be no shock to anyone that Provorov looks good next to Niskanen and Ellis and bad next to Braun and Seeler.

Who is hockey’s Sam Hinkie? That’s who they need

Forget building. They need a tear down expert
- Just5

Let's not get too crazy. That was a straight up tank

Again, Hextall had 5 drafts and what do we have to show for it?? Mediocre at best talent, no top end players ... NONE!

I am calling on the team to do a major reset, trade their veteran players and build through the draft! I am not calling for more of the same, not even close. You are obviously THICK! But to be clear, you have to be all in on a reset and most importantly, you CAN"T MISS on top picks like Hextall did time and again!
- jd250

While it's true that Hextall didn't land any elite skaters. He did draft some solid players. Players that can be part of a quality team. Also players that have trade value if they want to use them as assets. Hart also has the ability to be a top goaltender in this league. Hextall didn't miss time and again.
Today your calling for a major reset. The other day it was a reset that can be done in a year. Best case scenario. Last off season, the Flyers changed the culture and Fletcher made all the right moves. And on and on.

Provorov has 29 points on the PP since AV was hired. Only Giroux and TK have more. And his PPP/60 rate of 4.31 is reasonably good - right around Voracek and Couturier.

http://www.nhl.com/stats/...Points&page=0&pageSize=50
- Feanor

Finally!!! Yes!! Provorov isn’t nearly as bad on the PP as he’s made out to be.