Folks, this is just not our Flyers franchise anymore. It's just not. Even you wide eyed optimists, taking a second and play devil's advocate and try to tell me that the "Flyers feel" is there. I'm not talking about a Flyers team that plays some pugilistic style, this isn't a low hanging fruit kind of sentiment. This franchise, once a crown jewel of the NHL is now resembling some golden age actress who in her day was gorgeous and a leading lady and is painfully past her prime, acting in horrible roles and the laughingstock of the industry.

Seriously, when is the last Flyers team that had some pizzaz, had some kind of near feral identity that gave other teams pause and was seen as an attractive landing spot for a free agent.

The invisible suit Dave Scott.

The clueless Valerie Camillio.

The tone deaf marketing and social media staff members who could somehow find a rosy outlook about the Titanic (it didn't sink that fast!).

The wooden, passion-less Chuck Fletcher who couldn't be a worse fit for the starved fan base.

The worst 7 million player in the NHL in James van Reimsdyk, truly the "Tin Man" of this team, playing a game night in and night out devoid of any heart.

And the coup de grace is the propaganda farce that is the home broadcast with Jim Jackson glossing over every mistake with expert precision and somehow never failing to find a boatload of mitigation for every player. JJ's never met an excuse he didn't like to employ. Thinking he was a criminal defense attorney before this gig or something.

Rant over. Another season of Flyers futility.

Folks, this is just not our Flyers franchise anymore. It's just not. Even you wide eyed optimists, taking a second and play devil's advocate and try to tell me that the "Flyers feel" is there. I'm not talking about a Flyers team that plays some pugilistic style, this isn't a low hanging fruit kind of sentiment. This franchise, once a crown jewel of the NHL is now resembling some golden age actress who in her day was gorgeous and a leading lady and is painfully past her prime, acting in horrible roles and the laughingstock of the industry.

Seriously, when is the last Flyers team that had some pizzaz, had some kind of near feral identity that gave other teams pause and was seen as an attractive landing spot for a free agent.

The invisible suit Dave Scott.

The clueless Valerie Camillio.

The tone deaf marketing and social media staff members who could somehow find a rosy outlook about the Titanic (it didn't sink that fast!).

The wooden, passion-less Chuck Fletcher who couldn't be a worse fit for the starved fan base.

The worst 7 million player in the NHL in James van Reimsdyk, truly the "Tin Man" of this team, playing a game night in and night out devoid of any heart.

And the coup de grace is the propaganda farce that is the home broadcast with Jim Jackson glossing over every mistake with expert precision and somehow never failing to find a boatload of mitigation for every player. JJ's never met an excuse he didn't like to employ. Thinking he was a criminal defense attorney before this gig or something.

Rant over. Another season of Flyers futility.
- Brad Marsh Fan

👏👏

Plenty of people thought it was crazy of Minnesota to buyout parise and suter. They don’t look much worse for the wear now.

Hayes feels like a buyout
- Just5

Do you actually know how buyouts work? The Wild save substantially this season. They have dead cap space totals the next 3 seasons of $12,743,588, $14,743,588 and $14,743,588

This is what a buyout of Hayes looks like. They'd have dead cap space for Hayes until 29/30

https://www.capfriendly.c...ut-calculator/kevin-hayes

Having a #1c versus not having one doesn't change expected draft position?
- PT21

Tons of variables to make a determination. You have no idea what the Flyers are going to do, who they'll trade for or who they will draft. It's complete speculation.

Did you see Andersen's SV% this season. How about over his career?
- MJL

Precisely. You have a young team that fought a 2 time champ hard in playoffs.

What do you do?

1.Let your all star Dman walk with no obvious in-house candidate as replacement.
2. Sign a very young center with mediocre stats for lotsa money, largely to stiff it to a competitor.
3. Let your 2 goalies who together came up with almost a .930 sv % walk, and replace them with a guy barely cracking .900 last couple of years. And not for money btw.

Anytime a team takes 2 huge risks like that, and one moderate one (kk), they are risking the whole thing collapsing.

The difference between their team of last year and thus one is larger than what just the Nisky retirement did for us, and we were a lottery team for much of last year.

Precisely. You have a young team that fought a 2 time champ hard in playoffs.

What do you do?

1.Let your all star Dman walk with no obvious in-house candidate as replacement.
2. Sign a very young center with mediocre stats for lotsa money, largely to stiff it to a competitor.
3. Let your 2 goalies who together came up with almost a .930 sv % walk, and replace them with a guy barely cracking .900 last couple of years. And not for money btw.

Anytime a team takes 2 huge risks like that, and one moderate one (kk), they are risking the whole thing collapsing.

The difference between their team of last year and thus one is larger than what just the Nisky retirement did for us, and we were a lottery team for much of last year.
- PT21

There is much that you're not aware of and obviously haven't done your due diligence because you're far too focused on trying to be right than looking at the facts. You fail to realize that the Canes just didn't let Hamilton walk without a plan.
The Koskinen OS was more than just about getting back at the Habs. They used cap space to identify a player they think they can grow and develop into a top center. The risk there is the QO scenario.
I also found the goaltending move puzzling but it appears that they knew what they were doing. I don't see the overall risk there that you do. They have too much to be a lottery team even if those moves went south.

The team needs to travel down a completely different path. They are managed incompetently from the top down, and have been for more than a decade. The old Flyer network just needs to move on. None of this is personal...Dave Scott and Paul Holmgren have guided this team into oblivion. It takes time in the NHL to build a winner, but they need to have a model and execute to it. The model they have today is one of slow, plodding and basically non inventive play. I'll say it again, the lack of real caring ownership is a big reason. Replacing Yeo with Tortarella would be a mistake, like putting makeup on a pig (the Flyers being the pig)..

There is much that you're not aware of and obviously haven't done your due diligence because you're far too focused on trying to be right than looking at the facts. You fail to realize that the Canes just didn't let Hamilton walk without a plan.
The Koskinen OS was more than just about getting back at the Habs. They used cap space to identify a player they think they can grow and develop into a top center. The risk there is the QO scenario.
I also found the goaltending move puzzling but it appears that they new what they were doing. I don't see the overall risk there that you do. They have too much to be a lottery team even if those moves went south.
- MJL

Yes MJL. They had a plan. And ofc, that plan both internalized and accepted the risk of going belly up.

Having a plan that doesn't incorporate the risk of failure with moves like that would not be much of a plan, would it? Having a plan is not the same as being sure things will work out.

Folks, this is just not our Flyers franchise anymore. It's just not. Even you wide eyed optimists, taking a second and play devil's advocate and try to tell me that the "Flyers feel" is there. I'm not talking about a Flyers team that plays some pugilistic style, this isn't a low hanging fruit kind of sentiment. This franchise, once a crown jewel of the NHL is now resembling some golden age actress who in her day was gorgeous and a leading lady and is painfully past her prime, acting in horrible roles and the laughingstock of the industry.

Seriously, when is the last Flyers team that had some pizzaz, had some kind of near feral identity that gave other teams pause and was seen as an attractive landing spot for a free agent.

The invisible suit Dave Scott.

The clueless Valerie Camillio.

The tone deaf marketing and social media staff members who could somehow find a rosy outlook about the Titanic (it didn't sink that fast!).

The wooden, passion-less Chuck Fletcher who couldn't be a worse fit for the starved fan base.

The worst 7 million player in the NHL in James van Reimsdyk, truly the "Tin Man" of this team, playing a game night in and night out devoid of any heart.

And the coup de grace is the propaganda farce that is the home broadcast with Jim Jackson glossing over every mistake with expert precision and somehow never failing to find a boatload of mitigation for every player. JJ's never met an excuse he didn't like to employ. Thinking he was a criminal defense attorney before this gig or something.

Rant over. Another season of Flyers futility.
- Brad Marsh Fan

So the FLyers are Joan Crawford?

Apparently, he does.
- PT21

Flyers better make their move before Waddell retires then.

Couturier's current point production is not the norm. Creating that style takes better players.
- MJL

Giroux seems to be overcoming. Couturier has been playing with the same group of players for years. If this belief is truly the case, Provorov deserves the benefit of the doubt too.

Yes MJL. They had a plan. And ofc, that plan both internalized and accepted the risk of going belly up.

Having a plan that doesn't incorporate the risk of failure with moves like that would not be much of a plan, would it? Having a plan is not the same as being sure things will work out.
- PT21

Let me explain it to you PT21 since you don't get it. As far your first point.

1)Let your all star Dman walk with no obvious in-house candidate as replacement.

You made this statement from the perspective of not understanding that they did have a replacement. The wheels were in motion. Certainly having a plan is not the same thing as being sure things will work out. That's not reality in the NHL. However certainly having a plan theoretically lessens the risk versus doing nothing which is what your point suggests they did. You were wrong. They aren't a team like the Flyers who just seem to make random moves hoping they work out. They seem to be a team who does their homework and makes good decisions. Then there is the issue of the level of failure. They still had enough of a strong roster that even if some of the moves didn't work out, they would still be a good team and certainly not a lottery team.

Flyers better make their move before Waddell retires then.
- Tomahawk

Why would a guy like that come here? You really need a receptive culture for his sort of talent to bloom.

He is in the research triangle, where there is an abundance of such types. This area doesn't have that.

If they gave him 5 years a free rein, maybe. But they will not.

Let me explain it to you PT21 since you don't get it. As far your first point.

1)Let your all star Dman walk with no obvious in-house candidate as replacement.

You made this statement from the perspective of not understanding that they did have a replacement. The wheels were in motion. Certainly having a plan is not the same thing as being sure things will work out. That's not reality in the NHL. However certainly having a plan theoretically lessens the risk versus doing nothing which is what your point suggests they did. You were wrong. They aren't a team like the Flyers who just seem to make random moves hoping they work out. They seem to be a team who does their homework and makes good decisions. Then there is the issue of the level of failure. They still had enough of a strong roster that even if some of the moves didn't work out, they would still be a good team and certainly not a lottery team.
- MJL

But what made you think I believe they were shooting darts? Their moves reek of analytics driven decisions, because in terms of conventional hockey, those were pie in the sky moves.

Analytics = planning. But planning doesn't mean they were not willing to accept risk of going belly up, which was my point.

But what made you think I believe they were shooting darts? Their moves reek of analytics driven decisions, because in terms of conventional hockey, those were pie in the sky moves.

Analytics = planning. But planning doesn't mean they were not willing to accept risk of going belly up, which was my point.
- PT21

"Let your all star Dman walk with no obvious in-house candidate as replacement."

You were shooting darts. Again, you're off base in thinking that they would go belly up if some of the moves didn't work out.

If the analytics or any other method of evaluation supports going belly up, you don't take the risk.

Do you actually know how buyouts work? The Wild save substantially this season. They have dead cap space totals the next 3 seasons of $12,743,588, $14,743,588 and $14,743,588

This is what a buyout of Hayes looks like. They'd have dead cap space for Hayes until 29/30

https://www.capfriendly.c...ut-calculator/kevin-hayes
- MJL

I am aware

So the FLyers are Joan Crawford?
- corduroy

Sure

I am aware
- Just5

Based on previous comments, I doubt it.

"Let your all star Dman walk with no obvious in-house candidate as replacement."

You were shooting darts. Again, you're off base in thinking that they would go belly up if some of the moves didn't work out.

If the analytics support going belly up, you don't take the risk.
- MJL

But thats an observational fact, is it not?. Its not an opinion.

The 3 guys on the right side who have played on 1st pair all came from outside. (Pesce has played very briefly). They are not from "in house"

But thats an observational fact, is it not?. Its not an opinion.

The 3 guys on the right side who have played on 1st pair all came from outside. (Pesce has played very briefly). They are not from "in house"
- PT21

Semantics. You know what you were saying. In terms of the Hamilton move, you were completely unaware and likely still are about what they did and how they went about it. Even in a previous post stating that they didn't have Bear when they let Hamilton walk. Pesce has played 15 games.

Folks, this is just not our Flyers franchise anymore. It's just not. Even you wide eyed optimists, taking a second and play devil's advocate and try to tell me that the "Flyers feel" is there. I'm not talking about a Flyers team that plays some pugilistic style, this isn't a low hanging fruit kind of sentiment. This franchise, once a crown jewel of the NHL is now resembling some golden age actress who in her day was gorgeous and a leading lady and is painfully past her prime, acting in horrible roles and the laughingstock of the industry.

Seriously, when is the last Flyers team that had some pizzaz, had some kind of near feral identity that gave other teams pause and was seen as an attractive landing spot for a free agent.

The invisible suit Dave Scott.

The clueless Valerie Camillio.

The tone deaf marketing and social media staff members who could somehow find a rosy outlook about the Titanic (it didn't sink that fast!).

The wooden, passion-less Chuck Fletcher who couldn't be a worse fit for the starved fan base.

The worst 7 million player in the NHL in James van Reimsdyk, truly the "Tin Man" of this team, playing a game night in and night out devoid of any heart.

And the coup de grace is the propaganda farce that is the home broadcast with Jim Jackson glossing over every mistake with expert precision and somehow never failing to find a boatload of mitigation for every player. JJ's never met an excuse he didn't like to employ. Thinking he was a criminal defense attorney before this gig or something.

Rant over. Another season of Flyers futility.
- Brad Marsh Fan

Well stated a total embarassment. Ed Snider must be rolling over in his grave

Nooooo Wiiiirrreeee HANGARRRRSSS
- DrMidnite

Dude...that movie terrified me as a child. Kind of like the Flyers terrifying me right now.

Dude...that movie terrified me as a child. Kind of like the Flyers terrifying me right now.
- Brad Marsh Fan

I deleted it not thinking anyone would get the reference! Lmaoooo

Yes she's scary as hell

Semantics. You know what you were saying. In terms of the Hamilton move, you were completely unaware and likely still are about what they did and how they went about it. Even in a previous post stating that they didn't have Bear when they let Hamilton walk. Pesce has played 15 games.
- MJL

They didn't. The two signings happened the same day.

More to the point, they did not have the luxury of knowing how Bear would fit in their system from first hand knowledge. They had to project.

Ok then...

They didn't. The two signings happened the same day.

More to the point, they did not have the luxury of knowing how Bear would fit in their system from first hand knowledge. They had to project.

Ok then...
- PT21

Bear was traded for the same day that DeAngelo was signed by the Canes and Hamilton with NJ. Do you think the Canes just picked up the phone with Edmonton that morning? With the ability to talk to UFA players a week before signing day, they likely already had a deal in place with DeAngelo.

Every move is a projection. You attempted to assign risk to the moves and use that they didn't have a replacement for Hamilton. They did. As was explained to you before, they have used a combination of players to take up the minutes.

Do you know what your claim is that they risked being a lottery team is? A projection!