Bear was traded for the same day that DeAngelo was signed by the Canes and Hamilton with NJ. Do you think the Canes just picked up the phone with Edmonton that morning? With the ability to talk to UFA players a week before signing day, they likely already had a deal in place with DeAngelo.

Every move is a projection. You attempted to assign risk to the moves and use that they didn't have a replacement for Hamilton. They did. As was explained to you before, they have used a combination of players to take up the minutes.
- MJL

I never said they did not have a plan. I said they assumed a lot of risk.

Having three players, all from outside, each not established, each of whom have lots of question marks about their future careers, replace an all star defenseman playing an important role in an aspirational club is indeed a lot of risk, whether you want to accept the obvious or not.

Now why would a team placed in a position like the canes take such a risk? My suggestion, which is admittedly speculation, is that they're less scared of the prospects of being a so-called lottery team than we are in this franchise, which is so obsessed with keeping up appearances.

And that fear is detrimental to our long-term prospects in cases of many players other than the dressmaker.

Good night. 😃

I just believe Hayes is going to be unplayable in about 2-3 years. He will fall off that bad.
- Just5

In 2 or 3 years? Hayes looks unplayable now. This dude can't even skate. I mean, he literally looks like he is standing still most of the game. If he's still injured put someone else out there and if he isn't then that contract will be a major albatross that many feared. Talk about a waste of 14 million is cap space. JVR and Hayes are both worthless as tits on a bull.

In 2 or 3 years? Hayes looks unplayable now. This dude can't even skate. I mean, he literally looks like he is standing still most of the game. If he's still injured put someone else out there and if he isn't then that contract will be a major albatross that many feared. Talk about a waste of 14 million is cap space. JVR and Hayes are both worthless as tits on a bull.
- Phillywhiteout

How would Couts look in his 8th year. ☠☠☠

The Canes weren’t going to pay Hamilton $9M. Hamilton is elite offensively and not great defensively. Slavin is an elite defender and Pesce is not far behind. DeAngelo covers the offensive output of Hamilton but wasn’t as good defensively. Bear played as a 20 yr old in Edmonton and is gifted offensively but makes a lot of mistakes defensively and he lost confidence in Edmonton and the team and he mutually wanted a divorce. My opinion is that the Canes think they can develop the defensive side of Bear. The 2 biggest risks here were DeAngelo’s head and putting Bear on the 1st pair from day 1. Apparently, the thinking was that Slavin could carry Bear until he found his game and confidence.

Just watched Anaheim CBJ game. It's nice to watch exciting hockey for a change. Now watching BOS EDM game. WOW!!! We're missing the boat this year. Win or lose, these teams compete hard, unlike our Flyers.

Just watched Anaheim CBJ game. It's nice to watch exciting hockey for a change. Now watching BOS EDM game. WOW!!! We're missing the boat this year. Win or lose, these teams compete hard, unlike our Flyers.


- Letterkenney

The 3rd period of the DAL/VGK last night had incredible end to end action.

Just watched Anaheim CBJ game. It's nice to watch exciting hockey for a change. Now watching BOS EDM game. WOW!!! We're missing the boat this year. Win or lose, these teams compete hard, unlike our Flyers.


- Letterkenney

Jake scoring in the shootout made me laugh

My favorite Jim Jackson sugarcoat had to be during the 7-1 TB drubbing when AV benched the top line in the 3rd period.

JJ: "Well, at least they will be well rested given the 2nd game of the back-to-back tomorrow".

Thought they already were with the 3 day layoff before TB.

Folks, this is just not our Flyers franchise anymore. It's just not. Even you wide eyed optimists, taking a second and play devil's advocate and try to tell me that the "Flyers feel" is there. I'm not talking about a Flyers team that plays some pugilistic style, this isn't a low hanging fruit kind of sentiment. This franchise, once a crown jewel of the NHL is now resembling some golden age actress who in her day was gorgeous and a leading lady and is painfully past her prime, acting in horrible roles and the laughingstock of the industry.

Seriously, when is the last Flyers team that had some pizzaz, had some kind of near feral identity that gave other teams pause and was seen as an attractive landing spot for a free agent.

The invisible suit Dave Scott.

The clueless Valerie Camillio.

The tone deaf marketing and social media staff members who could somehow find a rosy outlook about the Titanic (it didn't sink that fast!).

The wooden, passion-less Chuck Fletcher who couldn't be a worse fit for the starved fan base.

The worst 7 million player in the NHL in James van Reimsdyk, truly the "Tin Man" of this team, playing a game night in and night out devoid of any heart.

And the coup de grace is the propaganda farce that is the home broadcast with Jim Jackson glossing over every mistake with expert precision and somehow never failing to find a boatload of mitigation for every player. JJ's never met an excuse he didn't like to employ. Thinking he was a criminal defense attorney before this gig or something.

Rant over. Another season of Flyers futility.
- Brad Marsh Fan

Amen to this! This is coming from a fellow Brad Marsh fan who still has his #8 jersey! I had so much hope that we'd at least be competitive after a decent start. They were playing with guts and sticking up for each other for a few weeks. This is depressing how things went downhill so fast. Never liked JVR and was ticked when we brought him back. Must be terrible being an announcer for this mess and trying to spin positives. Loved it Yeo's first game and we gave up 7 goals on 50 shots and JJ talking about how Yeo has to like the Flyers "energy." Brutal.

The 3rd period of the DAL/VGK last night had incredible end to end action.
- Minnyhock

pavelski had 2 good goals in the game also

pavelski had 2 good goals in the game also
- 2Real

He did. But Vegas got the last 3 in the period. I think Dallas was stunned the way they came back after Lehner got pulled. If Eichel comes back whole, VGK will be scary good.

pavelski had 2 good goals in the game also
- 2Real

Yea, somebody should have used first round picks on him)))

Yea, somebody should have used first round picks on him)))
- THE EVIL WITHIN

yea oof i can't believe we drafted jeff carter and mike richards over him big oof

Why would a guy like that come here? You really need a receptive culture for his sort of talent to bloom.

He is in the research triangle, where there is an abundance of such types. This area doesn't have that.

If they gave him 5 years a free rein, maybe. But they will not.
- PT21

Dream job underoos! Maybe he has the hubris to return home to fix his favorite team.

I never said they did not have a plan. I said they assumed a lot of risk.

Having three players, all from outside, each not established, each of whom have lots of question marks about their future careers, replace an all star defenseman playing an important role in an aspirational club is indeed a lot of risk, whether you want to accept the obvious or not.

Now why would a team placed in a position like the canes take such a risk? My suggestion, which is admittedly speculation, is that they're less scared of the prospects of being a so-called lottery team than we are in this franchise, which is so obsessed with keeping up appearances.

And that fear is detrimental to our long-term prospects in cases of many players other than the dressmaker.

Good night. 😃
- PT21

Or they are just that confident in their player modeling.

For those who are curious about names of non-retread/up-and-coming coaches and GM candidates, ESPN put together a long list back in May:

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...didates-nhl-coach-gm-jobs

(Yeah, Eric T is on the list)

I never said they did not have a plan. I said they assumed a lot of risk.


- PT21

Sure you did when you said they had no internal replacement. Now you're just trying to mask that you were completely unaware of what actually happened.

Having three players, all from outside, each not established, each of whom have lots of question marks about their future careers, replace an all star defenseman playing an important role in an aspirational club is indeed a lot of risk, whether you want to accept the obvious or not.


- PT21

There is risk in everything. What don't you get? There is also risk in signing a player to a long term deal at 9M. You have a reading comprehension issue here. I never stated that there is no risk. I challenge your assumption, which is what it is that they risked being a lottery team.

Now why would a team placed in a position like the canes take such a risk? My suggestion, which is admittedly speculation, is that they're less scared of the prospects of being a so-called lottery team than we are in this franchise, which is so obsessed with keeping up appearances.

And that fear is detrimental to our long-term prospects in cases of many players other than the dressmaker.

Good night. 😃
- PT21

So you're actually think that they balanced being less scared than the Flyers are? Did you actually think about that? How absurd that is on every level? Here is what I think, which is also admittedly speculation. The difference being that my speculation is actually based in sound hockey theory. I think they explored trade and free agent options and believed that they could use a committee approach to replacing Hamilton's minutes and not get involved in such a long term expensive contract. The thought of the risk of being a lottery team, never came into play.
As usual, your premise is completely over thought.

Or they are just that confident in their player modeling.
- Tomahawk

Nah, you have to make it more complicated than that. In an attempt to show that you're the smartest guy in the room. Without realizing of course that it does the complete opposite.

My favorite Jim Jackson sugarcoat had to be during the 7-1 TB drubbing when AV benched the top line in the 3rd period.

JJ: "Well, at least they will be well rested given the 2nd game of the back-to-back tomorrow".

Thought they already were with the 3 day layoff before TB.
- DSmooth

That was about as snarky a comment as JJ could make. That you saw it as a sugarcoat is pretty baffling.

In 2 or 3 years? Hayes looks unplayable now. This dude can't even skate. I mean, he literally looks like he is standing still most of the game. If he's still injured put someone else out there and if he isn't then that contract will be a major albatross that many feared. Talk about a waste of 14 million is cap space. JVR and Hayes are both worthless as tits on a bull.
- Phillywhiteout

Historically, it takes players a year to fully recover from one core surgery, never mind two core surgeries. I don't expect Hayes to play like he did in the 2019 season this season, which is just another thing that sucks about this team.

Historically, it takes players a year to fully recover from one core surgery, never mind two core surgeries. I don't expect Hayes to play like he did in the 2019 season this season, which is just another thing that sucks about this team.
- jd250

I guess it is good for Hayes that the rest of the team skates around like they have just had 2 core surgeries. He blends right in!

Did you guys even go to sleep?

My favorite Jim Jackson sugarcoat had to be during the 7-1 TB drubbing when AV benched the top line in the 3rd period.

JJ: "Well, at least they will be well rested given the 2nd game of the back-to-back tomorrow".

Thought they already were with the 3 day layoff before TB.
- DSmooth

Listening to a podcast with Taryn Hatcher this morning and she mentioned now that AV has been fired, the players are speaking up saying how much they hated AV's system, so that explains a lot. But what is more concerning is I'm not sure what system these players want to play? Was at the gym yesterday and was watching EPSN and Torts was talking about the state of the Flyers and he made some interesting comments; basically he stated it starts with playing defense and how you play without the puck. He feels this is where you start to try to fix the mess this team is in. I really get the feeling the forwards on this team just don't get it and probably never will, and what is worse is Provey and Sanheim are playing like they have lost all confidence, and the goalies are starting to show signs of stress. Supposedly the players like Yeo and want to play for him, but by the time he can teach his system and the players can adopt it consistently, assuming of course they want to play it which is not a given, I fear it will be too late for this season.

I guess it is good for Hayes that the rest of the team skates around like they have just had 2 core surgeries. He blends right in!
- MBFlyerfan

Sad but true, the last game was so lifeless, it was depressing to watch. I don't have high hopes for tonight's game in Vegas either, but I hope at least the team plays with more energy and pride.

Listening to a podcast with Taryn Hatcher this morning and she mentioned now that AV has been fired, the players are speaking up saying how much they hated AV's system, so that explains a lot. But what is more concerning is I'm not sure what system these players want to play? Was at the gym yesterday and was watching EPSN and Torts was talking about the state of the Flyers and he made some interesting comments; basically he stated it starts with playing defense and how you play without the puck. He feels this is where you start to try to fix the mess this team is in. I really get the feeling the forwards on this team just don't get it and probably never will, and what is worse is Provey and Sanheim are playing like they have lost all confidence, and the goalies are starting to show signs of stress. Supposedly the players like Yeo and want to play for him, but by the time he can teach his system and the players can adopt it consistently, assuming of course they want to play it which is not a given, I fear it will be too late for this season.
- jd250

I'm wondering when some will realize that it's already too late for this season. The best thing they can do is to try and build some semblance of a team game for the future. I'd like to know where Taryn is getting that information.