I'm wondering when some will realize that it's already too late for this season. The best thing they can do is to try and build some semblance of a team game for the future.
- MJL

Another reason to bring in Torts!! I've been saying this for years. Everyone harps about the defense and goalie play, but in my mind most of this team's troubles start at the forward position with slow/lazy forwards that don't back check and support the defense. Watch the strapper head Pens play. Say what you want, but their forwards are always back checking starting with Crosby. I'm guessing Vegas is at least a -200 favorite tonight. Yikes!!

Another reason to bring in Torts!! I've been saying this for years. Everyone harps about the defense and goalie play, but in my mind most of this team's troubles start at the forward position with slow/lazy forwards that don't back check and support the defense. Watch the strapper head Pens play. Say what you want, but their forwards are always back checking starting with Crosby. I'm guessing Vegas is at least a -200 tonight. Yikes!!
- Phillywhiteout

It's team wide. They lack detail. structure and cohesiveness in every aspect of play.

I guess Av's system was basically dump the puck in and get in on the forecheck? Well, that ain't gonna work with relatively slow/non physical forwards. Fletcher got the wrong coach for the players that he inherited, and he didn't go out and get the players that were needed. Epic fail!!

I guess it is good for Hayes that the rest of the team skates around like they have just had 2 core surgeries. He blends right in!
- MBFlyerfan

lol, you aren't wrong

Listening to a podcast with Taryn Hatcher this morning and she mentioned now that AV has been fired, the players are speaking up saying how much they hated AV's system, so that explains a lot. But what is more concerning is I'm not sure what system these players want to play? Was at the gym yesterday and was watching EPSN and Torts was talking about the state of the Flyers and he made some interesting comments; basically he stated it starts with playing defense and how you play without the puck. He feels this is where you start to try to fix the mess this team is in. I really get the feeling the forwards on this team just don't get it and probably never will, and what is worse is Provey and Sanheim are playing like they have lost all confidence, and the goalies are starting to show signs of stress. Supposedly the players like Yeo and want to play for him, but by the time he can teach his system and the players can adopt it consistently, assuming of course they want to play it which is not a given, I fear it will be too late for this season.
- jd250

I think they want a system where they don't forecheck or backcheck hard.

Torts was talking about the state of the Flyers and he made some interesting comments; basically he stated it starts with playing defense and how you play without the puck
- jd250

Translation: Hire me!! Hire me!!

(please don't)

Translation: Hire me!! Hire me!!

(please don't)
- Tomahawk

He and the Philly media would be must-see TV.

I guess Av's system was basically dump the puck in and get in on the forecheck? Well, that ain't gonna work with relatively slow/non physical forwards. Fletcher got the wrong coach for the players that he inherited, and he didn't go out and get the players that were needed. Epic fail!!
- Phillywhiteout

That is not at all true. Dump and chase has been successful for this team plenty of time when they actually worked for it. The whole point of the dump and chase is the fact that the Dmen have to turn around and accelerate while the FWD just keeps moving. You dont beat the D there every time. The 2nd aspect of it is you are supposed to force the Dman to make a play. If you pressure the D, they chip it up the boards and you can take it away.

When the Flyers execute the dump and chase properly, it is successful. The problem is that they dont execute it properly consistently. The other aspect is puck battles. We arent winning them

That is not at all true. Dump and chase has been successful for this team plenty of time when they actually worked for it. The whole point of the dump and chase is the fact that the Dmen have to turn around and accelerate while the FWD just keeps moving. You dont beat the D there every time. The 2nd aspect of it is you are supposed to force the Dman to make a play. If you pressure the D, they chip it up the boards and you can take it away.

When the Flyers execute the dump and chase properly, it is successful. The problem is that they dont execute it properly consistently. The other aspect is puck battles. We arent winning them
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I also agree. We've seen them be successful at dump and chase when they work hard.

That is not at all true. Dump and chase has been successful for this team plenty of time when they actually worked for it. The whole point of the dump and chase is the fact that the Dmen have to turn around and accelerate while the FWD just keeps moving. You dont beat the D there every time. The 2nd aspect of it is you are supposed to force the Dman to make a play. If you pressure the D, they chip it up the boards and you can take it away.

When the Flyers execute the dump and chase properly, it is successful. The problem is that they dont execute it properly consistently. The other aspect is puck battles. We arent winning them
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Did you actually read my comment? You're making my point. I said this Flyers team as structured can't play that dump and chase successfully because they aren't fast enough to get in on the forecheck and they don't win enough puck battles to get the puck once they get in there. You said not true at all and then basically reiterated what I said. And I disagree that they can play that style successfully. Yes, they can play it for periods at a time, but they can't sustain it due to lack of speed and physicality at the forward position. It wears them out more than the other team. That's my point. They can't sustain a forecheck.

He and the Philly media would be must-see TV.
- iamscore2day

Who the (frank) cares.

The on-ice product would become even more unwatchable.

That is not at all true. Dump and chase has been successful for this team plenty of time when they actually worked for it. The whole point of the dump and chase is the fact that the Dmen have to turn around and accelerate while the FWD just keeps moving. You dont beat the D there every time. The 2nd aspect of it is you are supposed to force the Dman to make a play. If you pressure the D, they chip it up the boards and you can take it away.

When the Flyers execute the dump and chase properly, it is successful. The problem is that they dont execute it properly consistently. The other aspect is puck battles. We arent winning them
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The Flyers or any other team for that matter, will never be truly successful playing a dump and chase style predominantly. The reason the Flyers have to play that way is because they're inept at breakouts and transition play. Nor do they defend well enough in the neutral zone to turn pucks over. It is a combination of talent and coaching.

Who the (frank) cares.

The on-ice product would become even more unwatchable.
- Tomahawk

I really think that's impossible at this point. That Devils game may have been pushing the envelope as the worst Flyers game in the history of the organization and it's doubly scary that it came just a couple days after a coaching change.

For those who are curious about names of non-retread/up-and-coming coaches and GM candidates, ESPN put together a long list back in May:

https://www.espn.com/nhl/...didates-nhl-coach-gm-jobs

(Yeah, Eric T is on the list)
- Tomahawk

My favorite line: "Knoblauch, 42, filled in for David Quinn when the coaching staff was knocked out with COVID and led the Rangers to a 3-2 record -- including a 9-0 win over the Flyers in his first game behind the bench."

can someone skilled at creating memes/logos take the dogpooping thing inspiration and make a logo of an orange hairy Fly over a pile of of poop at the WFC center ice circle..

I believe that Torts has mellowed a bit these past few years. I used to get so annoyed with his complaining. Great sound bites but annoying. I remember hearing him a few times during his last couple of years with CBJ and he seemed more mature (if that's possible for a 50-60 year old). Proven coach.

I could also see a scenario where Tocchet and the Flyers NEED each other. He hasn't had much success as a head coach and we haven't had success with head coaches. Maybe this is a rallying cry and he saves our season and we save his career? Too Disney?

I'm also okay with giving Yeo a shot for the rest of the year. Unless your target coach is available and agrees to step into this mess mid-year, why rush.

I believe that Torts has mellowed a bit these past few years. I used to get so annoyed with his complaining. Great sound bites but annoying. I remember hearing him a few times during his last couple of years with CBJ and he seemed more mature (if that's possible for a 50-60 year old). Proven coach.

I could also see a scenario where Tocchet and the Flyers NEED each other. He hasn't had much success as a head coach and we haven't had success with head coaches. Maybe this is a rallying cry and he saves our season and we save his career? Too Disney?

I'm also okay with giving Yeo a shot for the rest of the year. Unless your target coach is available and agrees to step into this mess mid-year, why rush.
- cdearth23

The timing of the change guaranteed that Yeo hasn't even had a practice with the team to change anything.

It may take a little while to break all the habits that AV tried to instill from his system. Not that I think it will do much if we continue to get this uninspired zero confidence group of players.

For now this team needs to try to win games 1-0.

I believe that Torts has mellowed a bit these past few years. I used to get so annoyed with his complaining. Great sound bites but annoying. I remember hearing him a few times during his last couple of years with CBJ and he seemed more mature (if that's possible for a 50-60 year old). Proven coach.

I could also see a scenario where Tocchet and the Flyers NEED each other. He hasn't had much success as a head coach and we haven't had success with head coaches. Maybe this is a rallying cry and he saves our season and we save his career? Too Disney?

I'm also okay with giving Yeo a shot for the rest of the year. Unless your target coach is available and agrees to step into this mess mid-year, why rush.
- cdearth23

Please, no Tocchet or Tortorella. I actually really like both guys but not to coach the Flyers. The Flyers need a more cutting edge modern coach. Don't know who that is.

Please, no Tocchet or Tortorella. I actually really like both guys but not to coach the Flyers. The Flyers need a more cutting edge modern coach. Don't know who that is.
- MJL

I really could care less about Torts. Tocchet had that gambling "thing" that seemed to go away.?

I wish we hired or moved Knoblauch down to Phantoms these past few years. I remember when we hired him, people were saying he has a bright future.

I don't know who the answer is. I thought we needed AV. I thought Hitch and Lavy were the coaches that got the most out of the team. I remember being down a goal or two and never thinking we were out of the game. Good old days.

Please, no Tocchet or Tortorella. I actually really like both guys but not to coach the Flyers. The Flyers need a more cutting edge modern coach. Don't know who that is.
- MJL

Sadly, I don't believe we'd ever get a cutting edge coach w/o a cutting edge GM in place to make the hire.

Knowing Fletch, it might just be Mike Yeo's job to lose.

I really could care less about Torts. Tocchet had that gambling "thing" that seemed to go away.?

I wish we hired or moved Knoblauch down to Phantoms these past few years. I remember when we hired him, people were saying he has a bright future.

I don't know who the answer is. I thought we needed AV. I thought Hitch and Lavy were the coaches that got the most out of the team. I remember being down a goal or two and never thinking we were out of the game. Good old days.
- cdearth23

I wanted the Flyers to hire AV. I liked how the Rangers played under him for the most part. Sadly, I was wrong about him. He did an awful job.

Sadly, I don't believe we'd ever get a cutting edge coach w/o a cutting edge GM in place to make the hire.

Knowing Fletch, it might just be Mike Yeo's job to lose.
- Tomahawk

Do you know what's even scarier? The Flyers have the potential to have a decent amount of cap space to use this off season. They won't do the right thing. They'll either resign Ristolainen or have a repeat of last off season. Dooming them even further. The previously discussed timeline of 5 years to get right may be very optimistic.

I wanted the Flyers to hire AV. I liked how the Rangers played under him for the most part. Sadly, I was wrong about him. He did an awful job.
- MJL

Should bring in a college coach from a successful program who may have some new ideas.......wait.

Should bring in a college coach from a successful program who may have some new ideas.......wait.

- MBFlyerfan

I haven't followed the Krakken but they have some good underlying numbers. It seems like they haven't gotten good goaltending. Hakstol got more out of far less talented teams than AV did here. He was cast as a bad coach. He wasn't.

Who the (frank) cares.

The on-ice product would become even more unwatchable.
- Tomahawk

Pretty sure we've hit bedrock on that one.