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- MBFlyerfan

Scrums/fights after clean hits is total crap

It's not babying the guy. It's being smart enough to identify the players who are good enough to keep and those that aren't. It's about being smart enough to know which players are doing the dragging down and which players are being dragged down. Provorov while not a top #1 defenseman, is in the latter category.
- MJL

Why do people show up and post about a team that did not show up and even try to play hockey the night before? Talk about your Stockholm syndrome. The team is unwatchable. Accept it and move on.

Gee, he's not able to pull the team up and handle his role all by himself on a team that is completely devoid of puck support and team structure. Go figure. It's shocking that his game deteriorates under those conditions.
- MJL

+1

Provorov should be one of the few (very few) untouchable players on this team.

This forum is full of passionate people, but you can't make decisions based on passion.
The Sky is Falling! The Sky is Falling!

Some of the comments on here are completely asinine.

It's not babying the guy. It's being smart enough to identify the players who are good enough to keep and those that aren't. It's about being smart enough to know which players are doing the dragging down and which players are being dragged down. Provorov while not a top #1 defenseman, is in the latter category. Some also fail to remember just how hard it has been for this organization to develop quality defenseman. Provorov is a quality defenseman.
- MJL

+1 again.

You're on a roll, man.

He gets a pass for playing what, 15 games in a row now well below he’s capable? Stop babying the guy. He looked good to start the year but he’s been a disaster. 400 games in.
- ClaudeFather

Provorov looks like a guy who is playing with no confidence. Like a player who has been told to play a certain way that he either doesn't like or doesn't agree with.... or can't. Kind of like Ghost IMO last season.

Their body language as a group tells me they have been mentally beaten down and have zero joy in playing this game they are getting paid millions to play when most of us would gladly play for free at 11pm on a work night.

It is well past the point where staying here can be fixed IMO.

It needs to be blown up.

It tells me something that the players who were dealt in the offseason are playing MUCH better than they played here. Its not like they forgot how to play when they were here.

The organization itself is suffering from cancer. Its the WHOLE thing.

So the reason this team is bad this year is because of Risto, Atkinson and Ellis? Lindblom, JVR, TK and Provorov and the rest have nothing to do with it?
- jd250

You’re forgetting Brassard, Brown, Yandle, Seeler, MacEwen, etc. Evidently the addition of those players did not improve the team. I’m saying the team (and their minor league team too) is in a worse position now than it was when he was hired. The moves he made, this summer especially, have not helped the team.

Scrums/fights after clean hits is total crap
- Scoob

I agree 100%.

And then whine and moan when Lindblom (ala Nichushkin after his 0 goal year with Dallas) bounces back elsewhere and Sanheim's mobility is missed.
- bmeltzer

Sanheims mobility really has helped the Flyers.....to a 10 game losing streak and doing nothing special 10 years in a row.

And I love how you know LIndblom will become just like Nichushkin.

The same Nichushkin who has a career high in goals of 14(2013-2014). WOW! 14! Thats like, soooo special.

He has 7 this year while playing on a talented team that does most of the work helping him to those 7. The same Nichushkin who has 53 goals in 357 games. ouch!

Sorry Bill. But some players need a change of scenery. 10 years is long enough.

Firing Hextall the first time was a major mistake.
- MJL

Can't agree with that. The major mistake was hiring Hextall to rebuild the franchise, then telling him he had to keep the team "competitive" while doing so.

Provorov looks like a guy who is playing with no confidence. Like a player who has been told to play a certain way that he either doesn't like or doesn't agree with.... or can't. Kind of like Ghost IMO last season.

Their body language as a group tells me they have been mentally beaten down and have zero joy in playing this game they are getting paid millions to play when most of us would gladly play for free at 11pm on a work night.

It is well past the point where staying here can be fixed IMO.

It needs to be blown up.

It tells me something that the players who were dealt in the offseason are playing MUCH better than they played here. Its not like they forgot how to play when they were here.

The organization itself is suffering from cancer. Its the WHOLE thing.
- MBFlyerfan

That is what this organization has been doing for years. Buying the cancer to sell the car crash.

Well, the cancer just ate through everything and nothing is left. So what is the organization going to do? Hire Rick Tocchet? Wouldn't surprise me if zero lessons were learned.

Can't agree with that. The major mistake was hiring Hextall to rebuild the franchise, then telling him he had to keep the team "competitive" while doing so.
- BaronVonShiznit

You're right, but its the only mistake Hextall made. His approach to team buidling in a cap environment was sound. Also took the reins to focus on player development and keep distractions out of the locker room (pesky alumni).

It was indeed a mistake to fire Hextall.

You're right, but its the only mistake Hextall made. His approach to team buidling in a cap environment was sound. Also took the reins to focus on player development and keep distractions out of the locker room (pesky alumni).

It was indeed a mistake to fire Hextall.
- StepfordSam

Agreed.

That's why Pittsburgh hired him.
To groom young players and build up the team from within, while their super-star players can 1.) Still play and 2.) Can mentor the kids. I may not care for Sid, but pretty sure he knows what he's doing at this point....

So disappointing!!! I haven't been this disgusted with a Flyers team in my 48 years of being a Flyer fan. It's just shocking how these guys don't have enough pride in themselves to actually WANT to compete.

I'd say blow it all up and bring up the young guys, but there are no young guys to bring up. The few we have are injured, and even then none of them are of elite talent.

Looks like we're going to be wandering in the hockey desert for another decade or more.

His first year was good. He made a couple subtle moves…he dropped the ball huge in year two and didn’t respond at all when it was evident the team was lacking. He now had the full summer to try and get this right. Although I like some of the new players he brought in, this team continues to just sputter. He’s had enough time to put his stamp on this team and it’s fair to say he’s now the guy responsible. Firing only 2 of the 3 coach’s is not a good look. Keeping the guy running the D was a head scratcher to me. I was Luke warm on Fletchers hire, but as with anything the Flyers do I always assume the best and form my opinion. He’s definitely now on the hot seat or at least he should be.
- landros 2

I understand what you are saying. I don't think anyone was thinking that AV would get canned this year, especially so early in the season. I think going into this off season, the feeling was Covid really messed things up for the younger players on this team and the lack of practice time hurt immensely, so Fletcher made some significant moves to sure up obvious gaps and was thinking with a "normal" season ahead things would be much, much better. Obviously that has not been the case, and to be honest I am as surprised as anyone the team has fallen this badly so quickly. I think the urgency to make a coaching change came up quickly and there really was no time to consider alternatives, and you do need to have someone coach the team and Yeo was the obvious choice. My hope is Fletcher is now seeing what I think many of us are seeing, this core group is clearly not good enough to build around and its time for a larger reset. My hope then is Fletcher cleans house at the deadline or before and focuses on the draft, where I think he has done very well so far.

Personally, I consider a deep playoff run to be the conference finals. With that in mind, that means the Flyers have had 2 deep playoff runs since the season after the lockout in 05-06.

That's bad. Really bad, and those deep runs happened in the first 5 years, 08 and 2010.

Just pathetic.

Deploy for Savoie

Pain for Shane

So, do we all agree at this point that Alain Vigneault was NOT the problem?

THAT was a mistake.
Wonder if Chuck made that decision or if his hand was forced......

THAT sure seems like a panic move to me.

This team needs ON-ICE leadership.

I think its time we look to the future... and it's only December 9th

Can the Flyers win the Shane Wright sweepstakes?

https://www.msn.com/en-us...ter-slow-start/ar-AARqxN6

Yeah, probably but I’d certainly listen to offers.
- BiggE

Doesnt need to be too good an offer. If you get fair value, move him

So, do we all agree at this point that Alain Vigneault was NOT the problem?

THAT was a mistake.
Wonder if Chuck made that decision or if his hand was forced......

THAT sure seems like a panic move to me.

This team needs ON-ICE leadership.
- Nh_kong

I think he was very much a PART of the problem.

Yea he didn’t look so good last year. He’s overpaid for sure. I think he had the pressure of being that top guy but Fox put that to bed quickly and now he’s more in his role and settled.
- ClaudeFather

I would take Trouba at his contract over Provorov at his. At least Trouba is physical and can play D. Even better offensively this year

It looks like a bunch of guys who just met are out there playing pond hockey together.
- MBFlyerfan

They look worse than that

I honestly would trade anyone off this roster for the right price. There are no absolute untouchables as far as I am concerned. What if Edmonton wanted their hometown boy as their goalie and offered up a great package for Hart? Would you do it? I would at this point! This roster needs a complete overhaul and no stones should go unturned in the process. Thanks again!

Evander Kane, anyone?

Evander Kane, anyone?
- Nh_kong

Not for all the tea in China.