His transition game is impeccable! Can’t stand all the ghost and Jake nonsense. As much as we do miss a guy that can carry the puck up the ice, especially when we had some injuries, we have been waiting how long for a shoot first player?
- ClaudeFather

A simple fact lost on most is that AV isnt behind the bench any longer

Post game comments were very telling of what the players thought of AVs game plan

I personally felt that before losing Price and KK that they wouldn't make it. Danault was very underrated IMO, and also, they didn't exactly light up their sad div last year and only started to perform come playoffs. Not many teams go to the final and fire their GM early the next year.
- Hextall271

Danault was highly underrated. But, looking at what they lost, it's easy to see how they're at the bottom of the barrel this year.

A simple fact lost on most is that AV isnt behind the bench any longer
- THE BLACK HAND

And it shows, although not perfect it looks like a totally different team

Whether people like it or not, Risto is the best defenseman on this team right now.
- jd250

Can’t believe we only had to give up a 1rst, 2nd and Robert Hagg…to get him.

The issue is there is no one to replace Giroux. I just don’t see what they have currently as working in a long term success. He was a beast last night. Even with his strong play this year they are once again at best a bubble team.
- ClaudeFather

G is having a good year so far and, Oh, just by coincidence it happens to be a contract year; imagine that? Do you honestly think G will continue to play like this for another 3 or 4 years? Because that is the length of the contract it will take to sign him. You're right, there is no one in the system that we see right now who is the next Giroux ... and that is exactly the problem! Unless a grain of wheat dies its just a grain of wheat. Its time for the Flyers to trade G at the deadline and accumulate assets that will get them near the top of this draft so they can go get the next Giroux or better for this franchise.

We’d be so much better off with Jake and ghost haha. Does that work?

Jake doesn’t do pk and all said I really like cams overall game. Risto had a solid game imo overall and I agree with Bill that overall he’s been fine. When the d is properly slotted if Ellis ever gets back then he’ll probably play even better. Look for the full outbreak in the team after this one. Soon the phantoms will be up and games cancelled. Hope frosty makes it through ok.
- Hextall271

Jake is always going to get more points then Atkinson…but Atkinson has a better overall game. I’m not sure what people miss on this. It was true the day of the trade and is still true today.

Jake is always going to get more points then Atkinson…but Atkinson has a better overall game. I’m not sure what people miss on this. It was true the day of the trade and is still true today.
- landros 2

Cam gives this team more of what they needed, shoot first, speed and PK help, and not only does Cam kill penalties, but he is a threat to score a shortie. Jake is a one dimensional playmaker, one of the best passers in the league, but too many other short comings for my taste.

G is having a good year so far and, Oh, just by coincidence it happens to be a contract year; imagine that? Do you honestly think G will continue to play like this for another 3 or 4 years? Because that is the length of the contract it will take to sign him. You're right, there is no one in the system that we see right now who is the next Giroux ... and that is exactly the problem! Unless a grain of wheat dies its just a grain of wheat. Its time for the Flyers to trade G at the deadline and accumulate assets that will get them near the top of this draft so they can go get the next Giroux or better for this franchise.
- jd250

I really wonder if the organization and G would be open to a deadline trade ( if out of it) and resign in the off season. That would be the best case scenario IMO, if the $$$ of the contract to resign was reasonable. I would assume the draft pick attained in any deal would be a later first rounder as he would most likely go to a contending team looking for missing piece.
Don't understand all the heat he gets , as he has been one of the best players in franchise history and I would like to see him ultimately finish career in Philly

Jake is always going to get more points then Atkinson…but Atkinson has a better overall game. I’m not sure what people miss on this. It was true the day of the trade and is still true today.
- landros 2

Saying that the team misses Jake is not the same as saying Jake > Atkinson.

Cam and Jake are two offensive-first players, one who shoots first and is good on the PK, the other who is an elite passer and puck carrier who makes plays at ES and is good on the PP.

The team really needed BOTH skill sets, but they ended up swapping one for the other and now they're still left missing a necessary ingredient.

That's the gripe that "Jake lovers" have with the trade. Not that Cam Atkinson is a pile of poop.

Post game comments were very telling of what the players thought of AVs game plan
- ClaudeFather

AV never made any meaningful adjustments while they were struggling.

Getting rid of him was more or less a mandatory first step in turning this thing around.

The issue is there is no one to replace Giroux. I just don’t see what they have currently as working in a long term success. He was a beast last night. Even with his strong play this year they are once again at best a bubble team.
- ClaudeFather

True. Rumors for years but if g does walk or just due to being a u f a in the summer. Will wait for the Johnny hockey tumors to kick up.

Cam gives this team more of what they needed, shoot first, speed and PK help, and not only does Cam kill penalties, but he is a threat to score a shortie. Jake is a one dimensional playmaker, one of the best passers in the league, but too many other short comings for my taste.
- jd250

Better, different attitude can go a long way in the locker room.

Post game comments were very telling of what the players thought of AVs game plan
- ClaudeFather

AV and Therrien were 2 old war hogs. They made no adjustments to what they were observing on the ice. It was their way or the highway and they were the ones that ended up taking the highway outta here! It needed to be done.

Saying that the team misses Jake is not the same as saying Jake > Atkinson.

Cam and Jake are two offensive-first players, one who shoots first and is good on the PK, the other who is an elite passer and puck carrier who makes plays at ES and is good on the PP.

The team really needed BOTH skill sets, but they ended up swapping one for the other and now they're still left missing a necessary ingredient.

That's the gripe that "Jake lovers" have with the trade. Not that Cam Atkinson is a pile of poop.




- Tomahawk

Can look up the numbers but I think cam has more even strength points or it’s about equal.

Also always have to consider what we are saving cap wise as well.

Here’s the 5v5 http://www.naturalstattri...&td=&tgp=410&lines=single

Saying that the team misses Jake is not the same as saying Jake > Atkinson.

Cam and Jake are two offensive-first players, one who shoots first and is good on the PK, the other who is an elite passer and puck carrier who makes plays at ES and is good on the PP.

The team really needed BOTH skill sets, but they ended up swapping one for the other and now they're still left missing a necessary ingredient.

That's the gripe that "Jake lovers" have with the trade. Not that Cam Atkinson is a pile of poop.




- Tomahawk

get outta here with your logical responses

AV never made any meaningful adjustments while they were struggling.

Getting rid of him was more or less a mandatory first step in turning this thing around.
- Tomahawk

At the time I was against a coaching change but honestly its hard to argue against it being the right move. A coaches first and most important responsibility is to put the team in the best position to succeed, and if that means they implement a system that compliments the current players on the roster instead of their preferred system then so be it. It was clear the players were not able to play AVs system and more importantly didn't want to play his system. Thus you either remake the entire roster with players that can and want to play that system or you change the system to compliment the players. AV and grumpy Michel were not capable or willing to do that, and thus their dismissal had to be done.

.. but he doesn’t speak any French. That’s not good in Montreal.


- Hextall271

True. Rumors for years but if g does walk or just due to being a u f a in the summer. Will wait for the Johnny hockey tumors to kick up.
- Peter Richards

Saying that the team misses Jake is not the same as saying Jake > Atkinson.

Cam and Jake are two offensive-first players, one who shoots first and is good on the PK, the other who is an elite passer and puck carrier who makes plays at ES and is good on the PP.

The team really needed BOTH skill sets, but they ended up swapping one for the other and now they're still left missing a necessary ingredient.

That's the gripe that "Jake lovers" have with the trade. Not that Cam Atkinson is a pile of poop.




- Tomahawk

I liked Jake but realized his time here had run it’s course. Jake is an ultra skilled player, that are hard to replace. Jake defensive game was far to inconsistent ….he basically could play decent defence when he wanted to. Atkinson has a better over all game with less holes, but he does not have jakes over all skill. I’m not sure if the Flyers will win with Atkinson, but I do know they wouldn’t win with Vorecek.

AV never made any meaningful adjustments while they were struggling.

Getting rid of him was more or less a mandatory first step in turning this thing around.
- Tomahawk

Some bozo on here tried to tell us all that why would they fire AV and it wouldn’t change anything.

Looking at you SSB!

Post game comments were very telling of what the players thought of AVs game plan
- ClaudeFather

I turned it off and had house chores.. can you please summarize it in a sentence or two, I would really appreciate it. Thx!

Saying that the team misses Jake is not the same as saying Jake > Atkinson.

Cam and Jake are two offensive-first players, one who shoots first and is good on the PK, the other who is an elite passer and puck carrier who makes plays at ES and is good on the PP.

The team really needed BOTH skill sets, but they ended up swapping one for the other and now they're still left missing a necessary ingredient.

That's the gripe that "Jake lovers" have with the trade. Not that Cam Atkinson is a pile of poop.

so the jake lovers want it both ways. They want jake and cam.... too bad you gotta give to get. We've seen how we were with jake and it was time to move on....shouldve been sooner if you ask me




- Tomahawk

Some bozo on here tried to tell us all that why would they fire AV and it wouldn’t change anything.

Looking at you SSB!
- ClaudeFather

Lets not get carried away, tho.

This bump in results is probably placebo. Mike Yeo isn't exactly a rocket surgeon either.

Yes I understand that the Oilers have two great players but don't win, but is that because of the two generational players or an incompetent ownership and management? You are trying to tell me someone competent couldn't come in there and build a team around McDavid and Draisaitl just like in Tampa they built a team around Hedman and Stamkos? Na, I think the Oiler's situation is more about management than the two stars.
- jd250

My point is that even getting the stars after years of tanking guarantees you nothing..