Saying that the team misses Jake is not the same as saying Jake > Atkinson.

Cam and Jake are two offensive-first players, one who shoots first and is good on the PK, the other who is an elite passer and puck carrier who makes plays at ES and is good on the PP.

The team really needed BOTH skill sets, but they ended up swapping one for the other and now they're still left missing a necessary ingredient.

That's the gripe that "Jake lovers" have with the trade. Not that Cam Atkinson is a pile of poop.




- Tomahawk

Yeah, not so much about missing Jake as missing that playmaking transition element. On paper, I would argue it was replaced with Ellis, but that isn’t exactly working out yet. Lately, I have been thinking this could be good in the long run if some young Flyers are using the opportunity to gain experience and find with practice that they can carry the mail.

Some bozo on here tried to tell us all that why would they fire AV and it wouldn’t change anything.

Looking at you SSB!
- ClaudeFather

Okay, let's not get carried away here. Euphoria after a win is nice, but it was the Devils, so it was nothing more than one little step. Way too early to evaluate the new coach.

Lets not get carried away, tho.

This bump in results is probably placebo. Mike Yeo isn't exactly a rocket surgeon either.



- Tomahawk

Haha yes, just had to get rid of AV, it was the only chance to salvage this season. Guys a Dinosaur

Lets not get carried away, tho.

This bump in results is probably placebo. Mike Yeo isn't exactly a rocket surgeon either.



- Tomahawk

lol

The only down note in the game. Right after his third shift of the opening period, Morgan Frost exited up the tunnel and did not return. It seemed unusual, as there was no apparent injury. After the game, Flyers interim head coach Mike Yeo said that Frost, who had taken a COVID test earlier in the day, had to removed to due COVID protocols. The team will know more about his status tomorrow.



But get the shot man get the shot. What test is even mostly used being that the PCR test will be discontinued.

Okay, let's not get carried away here. Euphoria after a win is nice, but it was the Devils, so it was nothing more than one little step. Way too early to evaluate the new coach.
- Scoob

Getting rid of AV brought immediate changes in the game plan that were necessary. If you couldn’t realize that it’s unfortunate. Watch the post game press conferences and it’s clear as day. No one is saying Yeo for the Jack Adams

Ruh roh........is the bloom coming off the Voracek rose in Columbus? They coughed up a 3 goal lead last night in Vancouver and I noticed that Jakey had only 13 minutes of ice time(their top forwards had 19 minutes of ice time). He had no hits of course and was a -1 while he was on the ice, but we can't live without him according to some on here.
- Phillywhiteout

I think more context is needed here since it's only one game.

* He had four assists over the previous four games. Logged 21:25 and 19:20 in games 2-3 of that stretch. So it's not like they'd been unhappy with him of late.

* He skated 20 shifts last night. His average is 22. They were just shorter shifts on that given night (39 seconds on average).

* The Blue Jackets only had one power play last night (Voracek skated 36 seconds of it). If they'd have had, say, four power plays, Voracek would have had a couple more mins TOI.

So the answer is no, the bloom isn't off the rose. It's just how the game went last night.

Yeah, not so much about missing Jake as missing that playmaking transition element. On paper, I would argue it was replaced with Ellis, but that isn’t exactly working out yet. Lately, I have been thinking this could be good in the long run if some young Flyers are using the opportunity to gain experience and find with practice that they can carry the mail.
- NC Flyers Fan

Frost, of course, is not as big or physically strong as Voracek. But he's been bringing the playmaking element (both at center and, more recently, on LW), which has helped.

Hopefully, his COVID situation will turn out to be a false positive test yesterday. He apparently had no symptoms yesterday (which doesn't necessarily mean today's followup test will be a negative), but the rules forced his removal.

Frost, of course, is not as big or physically strong as Voracek. But he's been bringing the playmaking element (both at center and, more recently, on LW), which has helped.

Hopefully, his COVID situation will turn out to be a false positive test yesterday. He apparently had no symptoms yesterday (which doesn't necessarily mean today's followup test will be a negative), but the rules forced his removal.
- bmeltzer

When will we find out if Frost can go to Montreal?

Edit: The timing of the testing is weird from an outside perspective. I haven’t read anything this season about the NHL testing procedures. Last season, there were obviously a few false positives. Glad he doesn’t have symptoms anyway.

Cant wait for the jake lovers out there also, seems they bring him up almost every day. Jake -2 on a team higher in the standings than flyers. Cam +10
- bradster

Hey man.. stop using math and facts around here! These folks don't like that stuff!
You're only allowed to base ideas off of feelings and emotions here.
Facts are the devil!

Haha yes, just had to get rid of AV, it was the only chance to salvage this season. Guys a Dinosaur
- ClaudeFather

I believe acquiring "Hockey Jesus" Kevin Connauton was the real gamechanger for the Flyers.

It’s nice to see an easy win. Even better was beating the snot out of the devils.
I’m torn on what I want from this team. I don’t think they can truly compete for even the conference finals let alone the cup.
So do I like to see them win? Sure do but history says the flyers will poop the bed sooner or later and lose a handful of games they should really win.
Does drafting in the mid teens do anything substantial for this team.
If the flyers are somewhat close to a playoff spot does CF become a buyer?
Does CF then resign G and open up serious talks with Risto?
Chuck really has to be careful I don’t mind Risto but I also wouldn’t give him any kind of a raise. I would trade G at the trade deadline.
For me to get on any bandwagon I would need to see these guys play solid competitive games against the really good teams and even win their fair share of them.
Do that on a consistent basis then I’ll jump back on.

Getting rid of AV brought immediate changes in the game plan that were necessary. If you couldn’t realize that it’s unfortunate. Watch the post game press conferences and it’s clear as day. No one is saying Yeo for the Jack Adams
- ClaudeFather

lol - I'm not one of "those guys" here so don't run that game on me. You know I didn't say that. My point was that this is a marathon, not a sprint, so yes, some good things were visible last night but it's just one game early in his tenure.

Saw a few clowns on twitter saying Frost was too soft for NHL because he left the game early.

Whether people like it or not, Risto is the best defenseman on this team right now.
- jd250

Why does the team's "best defenseman" have a -9 ES goal differential? His regular partner is +2, so he's up 11 on the team's "best defenseman".

http://www.naturalstattri...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Sanheim has played 370 ES minutes with Risto. They have been on the ice for 18 GF and 20 GA. Sanheim has played 116 ES minutes without Risto. In that time Sanheim and his partners have been on the ice for 8 GF and 4 GA.

Saw a few clowns on twitter saying Frost was too soft for NHL because he left the game early.
- Feanor

Frost has been fine since being recalled.

Saw a few clowns on twitter saying Frost was too soft for NHL because he left the game early.
- Feanor

Apparently he is also a Paper Machete.

I like Connauton too, another waiver pickup that seems to be better than some regulars on the team!

Just to give a dose of reality, even if the Flyers win against Montreal and Ottawa which they should and push this winning streak to 5 games, they still will not catch Columbus, even if Columbus looses all their games this week. And Columbus is in 5th place, outside of the playoffs. That is how deep the Flyers dug themselves in. The good news is if, and that is a big IF, Ellis, Bee and Allison join the lineup soon, say January the Flyers should be a better team that has adjusted to the new coach, and maybe they play better and fight with Pittsburgh for the 4th spot in the division and that final wildcard. But is this what we really want? Do we want these Flyers to show just enough continuity and fight to convince management that all this team needs is more tweaks? I am still rooting for this team to fail badly this year so a more significant reset is done. I still feel right now its time to rebuild!
- jd250

I am all for the rebuild. Unless we go on a tear like we did in 19/20 I am committed to the rebuild now.
This is supposed to be a deep draft and I'd rather have several good picks than a modeling finish in the middle of the pack while still missing the playoffs.
I will say that since I have started cheering against the flyers these last 3 games they've won every game
I do still like CFs moves this off-season though and wanted to see the team he has built. It has potential and now that we are more than a dinosaur model of AVs dump and chase scheme I think the talent of these guys will be more on display. This team is too slow and not big enough to play dump and chase and I couldn't be happier that AV is gone. His system really doesn't work in today's NHL unless you have a speedy team, which we clearly did not.
For a team like Carolina or Florida his system may work very well though.

I am all for the rebuild. Unless we go on a tear like we did in 19/20 I am committed to the rebuild now.
This is supposed to be a deep draft and I'd rather have several good picks than a modeling finish in the middle of the pack while still missing the playoffs.
I will say that since I have started cheering against the flyers these last 3 games they've won every game
I do still like CFs moves this off-season though and wanted to see the team he has built. It has potential and now that we are more than a dinosaur model of AVs dump and chase scheme I think the talent of these guys will be more on display. This team is too slow and not big enough to play dump and chase and I couldn't be happier that AV is gone. His system really doesn't work in today's NHL unless you have a speedy team, which we clearly did not.
For a team like Carolina or Florida his system may work very well though.
- Bob Habib

I'm the same. I committed before they fired AV. and we have put a few wins together, but it was over the coyotes, and the devils.

Apparently he is also a Paper Machete.
- MBFlyerfan

lol - people really are dumb

Quite remarkable the drop off the habs are having after just being in the cup final. I’d imagine they’re going to set some type of record for the discrepancy. They’re on track for 41 pts!
-Just5

Not really. It was expected. They are without their #1D in Shea Weber as well as Carey Price. I would have expected some players to be better however I never expected them to be a playoff team without those two players

lol - I'm not one of "those guys" here so don't run that game on me. You know I didn't say that. My point was that this is a marathon, not a sprint, so yes, some good things were visible last night but it's just one game early in his tenure.
- Scoob

Haha all I’m saying is the process is clearly a better one after canning Mr Martini

Why does the team's "best defenseman" have a -9 ES goal differential? His regular partner is +2, so he's up 11 on the team's "best defenseman".

http://www.naturalstattri...ines=single&draftteam=ALL

Sanheim has played 370 ES minutes with Risto. They have been on the ice for 18 GF and 20 GA. Sanheim has played 116 ES minutes without Risto. In that time Sanheim and his partners have been on the ice for 8 GF and 4 GA.
- Feanor

I am not backing up the Risto is the best Dman but there’s 9 other guys on the ice. We just lost 10 games in a row lol

Frost, of course, is not as big or physically strong as Voracek. But he's been bringing the playmaking element (both at center and, more recently, on LW), which has helped.

Hopefully, his COVID situation will turn out to be a false positive test yesterday. He apparently had no symptoms yesterday (which doesn't necessarily mean today's followup test will be a negative), but the rules forced his removal.
- bmeltzer

yeah said that, hoping for a false +, with how it happen there would have to be a chance of it

I believe acquiring "Hockey Jesus" Kevin Connauton was the real gamechanger for the Flyers.
- mickel25

Seeing a big orange #8 dman gives me Nik Grossmann flashbacks.