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Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 20 @ 12:05 PM ET
I don't know if paying 5m plus for 3 centers would be good for the rest of the roster. Maybe if they were getting paid 5M each but ones already at 7M, two others looking for raises. Not sure the Canucks have the talent coming on the wings.

I would be trading Hamonic and Pearson first. Trying to get rid of OEL the next year.

- manvanfan


1st 2 teams I checked on, Toronto and Tampa, spend 24 and 20 million on their top 3 centres.
Apparently those are both pretty good teams.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 20 @ 12:15 PM ET
1st 2 teams I checked on, Toronto and Tampa, spend 24 and 20 million on their top 3 centres.
Apparently those are both pretty good teams.

- Reubenkincade

I checked on Edmonton, they spend that as well. They also lack depth to make it out of the first round. Sounds similar to Toronto.

Tampa Bay spent that but also had to go 18M over the cap once their 3lc wasn't making pennies anymore.

Tampa Bay also had to trade a 5M centre to get under the cap after. Give up a player who earned 5.166 to get help get under the cap.

Great examples
canucksfan1944
Joined: 12.13.2016

Dec 20 @ 12:23 PM ET
I checked on Edmonton, they spend that as well. They also lack depth to make it out of the first round. Sounds similar to Toronto.

Tampa Bay spent that but also had to go 18M over the cap once their 3lc wasn't making pennies anymore.

Tampa Bay also had to trade a 5M centre to get under the cap after. Give up a player who earned 5.166 to get help get under the cap.

Great examples

- manvanfan


Tampa also has 2 cups in a row...I'd say that's a great example. Giving up a guy and getting a first round pick to get under then cap and then winning 2 cups lol
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Dec 20 @ 12:29 PM ET
That’s too much credit. I’m going moron, probably borderline retardation. Like Paw after trying to pickup a lucky penny in the barn, can’t pass the salt anymore.
- 1970vintage


Great Kids in the Hall reference. Lucky Penny.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 20 @ 12:31 PM ET
Tampa also has 2 cups in a row...I'd say that's a great example. Giving up a guy and getting a first round pick to get under then cap and then winning 2 cups lol
- canucksfan1944

All the Canucks need to do, all any team needs to do is have a bunch of players out perform their contracts.

manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 20 @ 12:32 PM ET
That’s the way it should be. Benning however would have signed him to a three year, $6 million deal to create competition.
- 1970vintage

Most likely right. Probably would have paid Boeser 8M a year too.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Dec 20 @ 12:35 PM ET
Great Kids in the Hall reference. Lucky Penny.
- bloatedmosquito


“What? I’m at a party”
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 20 @ 12:37 PM ET
I had no less than four sources tell me that this past weekend Gorton was calling around trying this o find homes for Chiarot, Gallagher, Petry, Savard, and even Hoffman.

The Canadiens are worried that they will be unable to get anything for these assets should the season be disrupted.

Most teams and NHL people really aren't as "doom and gloom" about this.

First year of his 6.5M 6 year deal

first year of his 3.5M 4 year deal

First year of his 6.25M 4 year deal

Gorton got a roster he didn't want.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 20 @ 12:45 PM ET
I don't know if paying 5m plus for 3 centers would be good for the rest of the roster. Maybe if they were getting paid 5M each but ones already at 7M, two others looking for raises. Not sure the Canucks have the talent coming on the wings.

I would be trading Hamonic and Pearson first. Trying to get rid of OEL the next year.

- manvanfan

Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 20 @ 12:48 PM ET
I checked on Edmonton, they spend that as well. They also lack depth to make it out of the first round. Sounds similar to Toronto.

Tampa Bay spent that but also had to go 18M over the cap once their 3lc wasn't making pennies anymore.

Tampa Bay also had to trade a 5M centre to get under the cap after. Give up a player who earned 5.166 to get help get under the cap.

Great examples

- manvanfan


Would you like me to use Carolina Pittsburgh and Washington as examples, as well?
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 20 @ 12:52 PM ET
Would you like me to use Carolina Pittsburgh and Washington as examples, as well?
- Reubenkincade

Go ahead
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 20 @ 12:53 PM ET
All the Canucks need to do, all any team needs to do is have a bunch of players out perform their contracts.
- manvanfan


You got any great examples of this?
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 20 @ 12:53 PM ET
Would you like me to use Pittsburgh and Washington as examples, as well?
- Reubenkincade

How about listing when the players got those contracts? Would it be when the teams were slightly above re-build or were they into contendership?

Benning left a sh!tty cap situation. If you go cap heavy on centres, you're going to lack depth and the ability to add in different positions.

And that's what's been shown by a lot of your examples. Sure, there's great depth in some positions (especially in superstars on those teams) but most lack complete teams as evidenced by their results.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 20 @ 12:58 PM ET
How about listing when the players got those contracts? Would it be when the teams were slightly above re-build or were they into contendership?

Benning left a sh!tty cap situation. If you go cap heavy on centres, you're going to lack depth and the ability to add in different positions.

And that's what's been shown by a lot of your examples. Sure, there's great depth in some positions (especially in superstars on those teams) but most lack complete teams as evidenced by their results.

- RealityChecker


I am not arguing that the cap situation was left in a good spot, I am saying that the examples are yearly contenders for the coveted Presidents Trophy and a playoff spot.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 20 @ 12:59 PM ET
How about listing when the players got those contracts? Would it be when the teams were slightly above re-build or were they into contendership?

Benning left a sh!tty cap situation. If you go cap heavy on centres, you're going to lack depth and the ability to add in different positions.

And that's what's been shown by a lot of your examples. Sure, there's great depth in some positions (especially in superstars on those teams) but most lack complete teams as evidenced by their results.

- RealityChecker

I don't think that Canucks have those superstar centers that carry lines that some other higher paid players can do.

He just used Washington, I'm pretty sure Lars Eller was there 3lc when they won and was making around 3m a season.

Nick Bonino was making 1.9M as the 3lc when Pitt won their cups.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Dec 20 @ 1:02 PM ET
I am not arguing that the cap situation was left in a good spot, I am saying that the examples are yearly contenders for the coveted Presidents Trophy and a playoff spot.
- Reubenkincade

And I'm saying that some of your examples like the Leafs are made for the regular season not the playoffs precisely due to cap allocation.

I understand and agree to a certain extent of the value of being strong down the middle.

However, as the Canucks are currently constructed and the specific individual players that would make up the top 3, I think it would be a mistake to prioritize signing those 3 especially when one of those is going to be in his mid-30s when the contract runs out.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Dec 20 @ 1:13 PM ET
Brendan Bachelor just said he thinks Canucks like their center depth of JTM Bo Petey. He figures Boeser might be the odd man out when it comes to new contracts.
- VANTEL

Thx buddy you made my day ♥️
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 20 @ 1:24 PM ET
Thx buddy you made my day ♥️
- CanuckDon

It should all come down to who is going to pay the most for whom. Whoever it is.

CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Dec 20 @ 1:27 PM ET
It should all come down to who is going to pay the most for whom. Whoever it is.
- manvanfan

So no untouchable players is what you mean? Outside of Hughes and Demko I probably agree
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 20 @ 1:37 PM ET
So no untouchable players is what you mean? Outside of Hughes and Demko I probably agree
- CanuckDon

Pretty much.

Hughes and Demko are pretty safe.

Without those two first round picks that Benning traded away, the Canucks don't really have an "A" prospect to fill any spot that would be vacated by a player being traded away.

Filling the shoes of someone like Pearson is easier.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Dec 20 @ 1:39 PM ET
Great Kids in the Hall reference. Lucky Penny.
- bloatedmosquito

He's having a difficilty.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Dec 20 @ 1:46 PM ET
I'm just going to say it.....


I have no idea what this means.

- dbot


People who fish a spinning reel upside down are retarded.... or from Alberta.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Dec 20 @ 1:51 PM ET
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Dec 20 @ 1:53 PM ET
And I'm saying that some of your examples like the Leafs are made for the regular season not the playoffs precisely due to cap allocation.

I understand and agree to a certain extent of the value of being strong down the middle.

However, as the Canucks are currently constructed and the specific individual players that would make up the top 3, I think it would be a mistake to prioritize signing those 3 especially when one of those is going to be in his mid-30s when the contract runs out.

- RealityChecker


As I have said, a few times, the roster construction isn't that great.
I have no problem if they were to move on from Miller, provided it was a nice return. I also have no problem if they were to move Boeser.
Not many untouchables on this roster, regardless if they are on a hot streak.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 20 @ 2:07 PM ET
As I have said, a few times, the roster construction isn't that great.
I have no problem if they were to move on from Miller, provided it was a nice return. I also have no problem if they were to move Boeser.
Not many untouchables on this roster, regardless if they are on a hot streak.

- Reubenkincade

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