While the win in Arizona were much-needed points , I have to say that these games against some of the league's weaker teams have been too close for comfort. It's obviously worrisome for the game not to be truly decided until the last minute of play when the Jets have almost 50 shots on net. I actually think the Jets are almost shooting too much instead of looking for other options or back door plays.

I was very impressed with how far Clayton Keller has come with his game. He is giving everything he has despite the Yotes position in the standings. Going full length of the ice to stick lift Fly was impressive enough, but Keller's overall skill level is right up there with Ehlers.

The Avalanche tomorrow ( hopefully) will be a severe test for the Jets. While I hope I'm dead wrong, I'd have to pick the Avs in this one, likely by at least 2 goals.

Right now if I were to make room for two upcoming Dmen like Heinola or Samberg after this season , then the regular roster guys I think are overvalued are Dillon and Demelo. The one thing about Dillon though is that if the Jets make the playoffs , he is a guy you want on the ice. The two real keepers are Morrissey, who is having a stellar season , and of course Pionk. I'm neutral on Nate Schmidt but he has that much needed glue guy factor going for him .

I get where Ross is coming from on seeling Schief high. However, I am in the camp that says he is just as valuable in the middle of his last year before UFA as he is now in a trade. In the meantime ,as a top NHL center. he cant be easily replaced . I wouldn't dream of trading him now.

While the win in Arizona were much-needed points , I have to say that these games against some of the league's weaker teams have been too close for comfort. It's obviously worrisome for the game not to be truly decided until the last minute of play when the Jets have almost 50 shots on net. I actually think the Jets are almost shooting too much instead of looking for other options or back door plays.

I was very impressed with how far Clayton Keller has come with his game. He is giving everything he has despite the Yotes position in the standings. Going full length of the ice to stick lift Fly was impressive enough, but Keller's overall skill level is right up there with Ehlers.

The Avalanche tomorrow ( hopefully) will be a severe test for the Jets. While I hope I'm dead wrong, I'd have to pick the Avs in this one, likely by at least 2 goals.

Right now if I were to make room for two upcoming Dmen like Heinola or Samberg after this season , then the regular roster guys I think are overvalued are Dillon and Demelo. The one thing about Dillon though is that if the Jets make the playoffs , he is a guy you want on the ice. The two real keepers are Morrissey, who is having a stellar season , and of course Pionk. I'm neutral on Nate Schmidt but he has that much needed glue guy factor going for him .

I get where Ross is coming from on seeling Schief high. However, I am in the camp that says he is just as valuable in the middle of his last year before UFA as he is now in a trade. In the meantime ,as a top NHL center. he cant be easily replaced . I wouldn't dream of trading him now.
- jetsnation

Murat had a great piece on Shiefele in the athletic that overwhelmingly explained why Shiefele is not even close to being a top Center.
I still like him, but he is easier to replace than we think.
My point was just if a team who sees themselves winning in the next year or two like a Florida, Toronto, Colorado or someone like that wanted to over pay for him. We should look at it.
I don’t see teams like Anaheim or Buffalo who are still developing interested at all in trading for him.
I also think their is a need here and value in changing who the core and leaders are in this team. We know we can’t trade Wheeler as his value is diminished while his contract in untradeable so that’s a non starter, but 55 is different

Andrew Copp will never put up Shiefele points. But Copp as a Center compared to Sheifele
Has a better shot and goal differential so who’s the better Center?
Stats say, you’ll win more with Copp than sheifele

Andrew Copp will never put up Shiefele points. But Copp as a Center compared to Sheifele
Has a better shot and goal differential so who’s the better Center?
Stats say, you’ll win more with Copp than sheifele
- Ross77

Wait what, who are you saying has the better shot, Copp or Scheifele?

Wait what, who are you saying has the better shot, Copp or Scheifele?
- JetFuel

Sorry I meant shot differential. Copp has a much more positive shot differential (shots allowed vrs shots created)
Yes, Shiefele has the better ‘actual’ shot.

Yea kind of realized Zegras was out of bounds - but was kind of wondering if any Ducks fans read this site - and their reaction. Terry and Drysdale would be interesting - but also probably unavailable.

We were fortunate to get our young centre in PLD last season.

If we don't play any better than last night, it may be a short season. But we're not far back points wise, so one should be optimistic. I guess.

Sad when your fourth line is arguably your best line! Maybe they should put a couple of them out on the power play?
- grahamzky

Yup no chance Anaheim is trading us Terry or Drysdale either. If Lundell is as good as the hype he gets he'd be the guy I'd target in a Scheifele deal, Lundell is apparently solid defensively already too.

Yeah I guess there's two ways to look at last nights game, its a middle of the season game on a Tuesday against the worst team in the league so don't overwork yourself and just try to get the win without any injuries but there's also the thought that a good team should stomp all over a bad team and while the Jets did get a lot more shots and the Yotes goalie played well you'd still like to see the Jets really dominate that game yet they didn't, oh and Arizona didn't have Chycrun either...

I'm waiting for this team to look dominant before I get optimistic about them actually winning anything more then one playoff round and that is if they even make the playoffs, for a team with a Vezina winning goalie, much improved defense and whats touted as a deep offensive powerhouse forward group they look anything but dominant most games.

Yes for the love of gawd I'd rather have any of the 4th line guys on the 2nd PP instead of the coach's kid who doesn't even know how to screen the goalie, they really need to get that epic stonehands off the PP, was a point shot on the PP last night and Lowry was standing off to the side instead of screening Vejmelka. Seriously I'd rather see Toninato on the 2nd PP then Lowry, at least Toninato knows how to go to the net and he's got at least as much if not more offensive ability then Lowry does!

Sorry I meant shot differential. Copp has a much more positive shot differential (shots allowed vrs shots created)
Yes, Shiefele has the better ‘actual’ shot.
- Ross77

Oh okay, figured you meant something like that.

One thing I'd question though is of those stats how many of them were Copp actually playing center? Just don't know if it's an apples to apples comparison.

I wouldn't wait that long, trade him earlier and get a better return.
- JetFuel

What type of return do you really think you are going to get? Have you seen the return that Buffalo got for Eichel

What type of return do you really think you are going to get? Have you seen the return that Buffalo got for Eichel
- TheUltimateJet

id take that return for 55 all day

What type of return do you really think you are going to get? Have you seen the return that Buffalo got for Eichel
- TheUltimateJet

The circumstances around the Eichel/Sabres saga really effected his value.

I would think the Jets could get a pretty decent haul for Scheifele.

It will be interesting to see how much ice time Perfetti gets tonight. We will likely see him on the second PP unit. Just some added fun to watching the game tonight.

The circumstances around the Eichel/Sabres saga really effected his value.

I would think the Jets could get a pretty decent haul for Scheifele.
- JetFuel

#1 - I would NOT trade Scheifele

2. If I did, I would ask for a package from the Rangers - like A. Lafreniere, V. Kravtsov (or Kappo), B. Schneider (RH d-man) and a 1st for Scheif and a LH d-man (prospect). That would assume that I felt Perfetti was a future centre

3. But let me re-iterate - I do not trade Scheif (at least not now)

It will be interesting to see how much ice time Perfetti gets tonight. We will likely see him on the second PP unit. Just some added fun to watching the game tonight.
- jetsnation

Yea 4th line - maybe PP time. Does make it more interesting.

Hopefully Helly is hot!!!

I said this many years ago and perhaps it still holds true:

Scheifele should be a RW.

The circumstances around the Eichel/Sabres saga really effected his value.

I would think the Jets could get a pretty decent haul for Scheifele.
- JetFuel

Eichel set the market and based on a flat cap for the next few years, I actually see the Jets getting less for Scheifele than what the Sabres got for Eichel.

Scheifele is a beast! I love that guy and I remember not too long ago that all of the Jets offence used to go to through him. The Jets would be foolish to get rid of him now that they finally got some center depth.

Oh okay, figured you meant something like that.

One thing I'd question though is of those stats how many of them were Copp actually playing center? Just don't know if it's an apples to apples comparison.
- JetFuel

Copp has also spent the majority of his career playing against other teams fourth lines, whereas Scheifele has spent the majority playing against other teams top centers.

Quality of Competition is a thing that many fail to acknowledge.

Eichel set the market and based on a flat cap for the next few years, I actually see the Jets getting less for Scheifele than what the Sabres got for Eichel.

Scheifele is a beast! I love that guy and I remember not too long ago that all of the Jets offence used to go to through him. The Jets would be foolish to get rid of him now that they finally got some center depth.
- TheUltimateJet

Huh? That makes no sense, in a flat cap a guy with a lower cap hit would have more value.

No the circumstances around the Eichel saga did not set the market.

Huh? That makes no sense, in a flat cap a guy with a lower cap hit would have more value.

No the circumstances around the Eichel saga did not set the market.
- JetFuel

Eichel is also 4 years younger and entering his prime.

Eichel is also 4 years younger and entering his prime.
- TheUltimateJet

And makes almost $4M more and was having an experimental neck surgery.

And makes almost $4M more and was having an experimental neck surgery.
- JetFuel

Experimental only for NHL players. Works well for MMA fighters.

Nice to see that the Broncos score a touchdown tonight. Looks like the Bombers were really missing Andrew Harris.

Experimental only for NHL players. Works well for MMA fighters.
- TheUltimateJet

Well they should pick a path sooner then later cause they're clearly not in the same class as the Avalanche.

If they're not gonna trade Scheifele maybe they need to trade some picks and/or prospects to add some better players.

Well they should pick a path sooner then later cause they're clearly not in the same class as the Avalanche.

If they're not gonna trade Scheifele maybe they need to trade some picks and/or prospects to add some better players.
- JetFuel

Perhaps they should start with bringing in a whole new coaching staff first prior to tinkering with the line-up?

A couple of notes for the Jets being destroyed by the Avs

1) Avs PP is #1 in the league and they use the puck drop method to the back guy who comes in with speed for easy zone entry . Jets did it only once. WTF ????

2) Also on the subject of zone entry. The AVs enter the zone with their top two lines by carrying the puck and then often dropping the puck to the trialing defenseman in the slot. Jets contines to enter the zone 90% of the time by shotting the puck in and then hoping to retrieve and then somehow create a play . It just doesn't work !

3) Burn the year of ELC. Perfetti is NHL ready

4) AVS are easily the best team I've seen so far this year. Similar game to the Canes. Both teams use the high cycle very effectively. Jets continue to ignore this trend.

5) Heinola should be getting the nod every time over Beaulieu ( who makes numerous mistakes every game)

Lastly , I suspect this game will be a major wake-up call for the Jets and its mgmt . I suspect some type of changes will result from it.

A couple of notes for the Jets being destroyed by the Avs

1) Avs PP is #1 in the league and they use the puck drop method to the back guy who comes in with speed for easy zone entry . Jets did it only once. WTF ????

2) Also on the subject of zone entry. The AVs enter the zone with their top two lines by carrying the puck and then often dropping the puck to the trialing defenseman in the slot. Jets contines to enter the zone 90% of the time by shotting the puck in and then hoping to retrieve and then somehow create a play . It just doesn't work !

3) Burn the year of ELC. Perfetti is NHL ready

4) AVS are easily the best team I've seen so far this year. Similar game to the Canes. Both teams use the high cycle very effectively. Jets continue to ignore this trend.

5) Heinola should be getting the nod every time over Beaulieu ( who makes numerous mistakes every game)

Lastly , I suspect this game will be a major wake-up call for the Jets and its mgmt . I suspect some type of changes will result from it.
- jetsnation

I'm glad you have optimism, I expect "status quo."