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Yandle has been on the ice for all five of the shorthanded goals allowed by the Flyers this season and his on-ice even strength goal differential is minus-10.

Yes, I was talking about the orange pylon part. The passing around way outside the top. Worst shooting angles. No surprise nothing looked open.
- NC Flyers Fan

Good PPs stay off the boards and attack the center slot area of the ice with the bumper and what Fletcher calls Flank shooters. The Flyers have no plan, no creativity, no skill to do any of this. Against the Kraken at least G set up JVR as a the bumper and they scored. Why they went away from this the very next game is completely baffling to me.

So I'm watching the Sharks cycle last night. My question is, how do other teams know to cut everything we do off along the wall but we're not picking up on it and letting other teams have their way with us?

The rope JvR gets is so tiny. Obviously not a perfect player. Obviously not a speedster. The guy just came off a two goal game and working hard and all that. By the third period of this game, JvR is removed from the Giroux line to play with Willman and Hayes.

The 5 on 3 PP in the third was so sad to watch. One thing coaching has gotten away from since Peter Laviolette is positioning, working the time the strength of a players ability and "handedness". I'll explain. Peter Laviolette installed the umbrella PP formate for us. On a ream that had Danny Briere and Jagr on it, Lavy put those guys aside and strictly went with Giroux, Timonen, Voracek, Hartnell and Simmonds. Where each man was positioned and what hand they were was important. It seems like these new coaches, just throw guys out there without a plan and expect things to fall into place.

Has Atkinson and Giroux done anything together in OT that would tell any of us they're awesome together? I'm also pretty sure a Ghost stole the puck from Sanheim after a Giroux faceoff win in the offensive zone.

Good PPs stay off the boards and attack the center slot area of the ice with the bumper and what Fletcher calls Flank shooters. The Flyers have no plan, no creativity, no skill to do any of this. Against the Kraken at least G set up JVR as a the bumper and they scored. Why they went away from this the very next game is completely baffling to me.
- jd250

I disagree with Fletcher. It should not be a personnel excuse. You can only make that excuse if the opposing goalie is making save after save. Flyers have the personnel—like JVR in the bumper. They don’t even try some things like Risto at net front. At most times they don’t use the personnel effectively.

Good PPs stay off the boards and attack the center slot area of the ice with the bumper and what Fletcher calls Flank shooters. The Flyers have no plan, no creativity, no skill to do any of this. Against the Kraken at least G set up JVR as a the bumper and they scored. Why they went away from this the very next game is completely baffling to me.
- jd250

Openings have to be created. You create that with puck movement and offensive threats from all sides. In order to free up a slot shot, you have to make the PK players move and challenge from all angles. There is no conscious plan to go away from using the slot shot. What does having no plan tell you?

That play in OT last night was just unacceptable. Giroux wins an o-zone draw cleanly back to Sanheim and he just puts the puck up the boards back to San Jose. I just don't understand how an offensive defenseman can possibly make a play like that.
- jd250

TY.

That's what prompted me to write that.

Very easy to understand. He made a mistake. Simple as that.
- hello it's me 2050

He makes too many of these mistakes that only rookies should make. Won't mind if he gets shopped. Just hope Fletch don't screw the deal.

Giroux is not the Hart trophy player he has been in the past but he is still a highly skilled quality player in this league. Focusing on Giroux as the issue is mind boggling. Now if you want to say the Flyers need more high end talent around him, then we have something to agree on.
- MJL

Fine, agreed! And I think we can also agree there is really only one way for the Flyers to obtain that high end talent, and that is to trade G.

He makes too many of these mistakes that only rookies should make. Won't mind if he gets shopped. Just hope Fletch don't screw the deal.
- Bendecko

Well if he makes too many of these mistakes what value do you think he has in a trade?

Fine, agreed! And I think we can also agree there is really only one way for the Flyers to obtain that high end talent, and that is to trade G.
- jd250

What high end talent do you htink they will acquire in a CC trade?

Openings have to be created. You create that with puck movement and offensive threats from all sides. In order to free up a slot shot, you have to make the PK players move and challenge from all angles. There is no conscious plan to go away from using the slot shot. What does having no plan tell you?
- MJL

It tells me, just my opinion now, that we don't have the right players. Now during that 5 on 3 I would have started the 2nd unit because that line was the most productive the entire game to that point, but instead you have G on the half wall with no idea what to do, you have JVR stagnant in front, you have Bee stagnant on the left post and you have Yandle up top seemingly not knowing what do. Professional hockey players, all with some level of past success on the PP, just standing there passing the puck back and forth to each other, not moving and not shooting, so easy to defend. If they need a coach to tell them to move, cycle and shoot they are definitely the wrong players for the situation. G is the one I don't understand the most. He has the best one timer on the team and yet he is always looking to pass, I just don't get it. Do you think anyone on the Caps is confused as to what to do on their PP? Do you think Ovechkin would rather pass the puck to Backstrom instead of the other way around? Ovechkin is a winner because he takes the initiative and knows what his value is to his team. G for some reason just doesn't get it!

Coots getting hurt is the best thing to happen to this team long term. Pack it up and sell

Coots getting hurt is the best thing to happen to this team long term. Pack it up and sell
- Just5

Not surprising, he has a core injury, its as plain as day now.

Atkinson has been terrible these last 2 games

Well if he makes too many of these mistakes what value do you think he has in a trade?
- hello it's me 2050

A case of Great Value Corned Beef.

A case of Great Value Corned Beef.
- Bendecko

can make plenty of corn beef hash.

can make plenty of corn beef hash.
- hello it's me 2050

On top of waffle iron eggs.

I could careless about MJL’s personal point of views. I think he has a pretty good grasp of the game of hockey. Most certainly better than “hello it’s me”…which I’m pretty sure has like 18 accounts.
- SuperSchennBros

I wasn't basing my comments on anything other than hockey stuff. I ignored manner, politics, grammar, likeability etc. etc.

A few more names: Staying' alive, BiggE.

You are a loser, and also a racist piece of trash - your words:

"was referring to your perspective that you really could not blame those who are unvaccinated if they choose to stay so. They should be treated in the same way as those drive when drunk, or smoke cigarettes near hospital entrances, or do not immunize their kids for MMR, diptheria etc. "

49 out of every 100 African Americans are unvaccinated. You want them to be treated as criminals and second-class citizens.



https://www.kff.org/coron...ations-by-race-ethnicity/
- corduroy

I will adress this in the other thread (after I finish catching up here) to avoid disrutping conversation here..

It tells me, just my opinion now, that we don't have the right players. Now during that 5 on 3 I would have started the 2nd unit because that line was the most productive the entire game to that point, but instead you have G on the half wall with no idea what to do, you have JVR stagnant in front, you have Bee stagnant on the left post and you have Yandle up top seemingly not knowing what do. Professional hockey players, all with some level of past success on the PP, just standing there passing the puck back and forth to each other, not moving and not shooting, so easy to defend. If they need a coach to tell them to move, cycle and shoot they are definitely the wrong players for the situation. G is the one I don't understand the most. He has the best one timer on the team and yet he is always looking to pass, I just don't get it. Do you think anyone on the Caps is confused as to what to do on their PP? Do you think Ovechkin would rather pass the puck to Backstrom instead of the other way around? Ovechkin is a winner because he takes the initiative and knows what his value is to his team. G for some reason just doesn't get it!
- jd250

The thing is that Yeo even called a timeout so everyone should have been able to get on the same page. Also the personnel for most of the 5 on 3 was JVR, Farabee, G, Provy and Atkinson. When you say not having the “right” players, I don’t agree. I think it is not using players on the team effectively. They clearly didn’t know their roles either because G was talking to them all and pointing a lot.

I disagree with Fletcher. It should not be a personnel excuse. You can only make that excuse if the opposing goalie is making save after save. Flyers have the personnel—like JVR in the bumper. They don’t even try some things like Risto at net front. At most times they don’t use the personnel effectively.
- NC Flyers Fan

Ristolainen at net front is a gimmick. They should give Ristolainen some time on the point. He has a good shot.

Say what you want about the guy, but he's always looked to raise the level of discourse on here, especially when it comes to CBA and systems/tactics and evaluating a goal beyond simply who was around when it was scored.

Of course, he's not always right, nor is he always cordial, but then again, who on here is?
- Tomahawk

I am a well wisher. He has been the biggest component of HB for my almost 15 years of reading. He is definitely a net +.

But I respectfully disagree.

It tells me, just my opinion now, that we don't have the right players. Now during that 5 on 3 I would have started the 2nd unit because that line was the most productive the entire game to that point, but instead you have G on the half wall with no idea what to do, you have JVR stagnant in front, you have Bee stagnant on the left post and you have Yandle up top seemingly not knowing what do. Professional hockey players, all with some level of past success on the PP, just standing there passing the puck back and forth to each other, not moving and not shooting, so easy to defend. If they need a coach to tell them to move, cycle and shoot they are definitely the wrong players for the situation. G is the one I don't understand the most. He has the best one timer on the team and yet he is always looking to pass, I just don't get it. Do you think anyone on the Caps is confused as to what to do on their PP? Do you think Ovechkin would rather pass the puck to Backstrom instead of the other way around? Ovechkin is a winner because he takes the initiative and knows what his value is to his team. G for some reason just doesn't get it!
- jd250

So in your opinion, the all time PP point producer in franchise history and one of the best PP point producers in the last decade has no idea what to do on the half wall? Honestly, I stopped reading at that point.

Billy were right ✅ Couts looked hurt all season long
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Presumably, his ailments were not dire enough to sit him or risk aggravation by playing him, but dire enough to slow him. He is being paid to do a job, and if he can do it better than the alternative, most teams would do what we did (play him).

I don't why this is so heinous on the part of the Flyers.

Ristolainen at net front is a gimmick. They should give Ristolainen some time on the point. He has a good shot.
- MJL

It is definitely an option that hasn’t been used much. With Ellis out, you would think he would have been tried there at lot on the second unit.