Obviously speculation by Staple, but this would be interesting...

James Nichols
@JamesNicholsNYI
Via the No Sleep Till Belmont, @StapeAthletic suggests if the #isles are to make an offer for cost controlled Jacob Chychrun, it’ll likely cost something like Beauvillier, Räty, Salo, & a first.

Goes on to say that’s a move they should make, & I tend to agree.

James Nichols @JamesNicholsNYI
9m
We reported at @TFP that the cost was “massive,” and this package fits that profile. For four years of Chychrun and the #isles current window, it makes sense.
- eichiefs9

Yeahhh... (frank) that.

Beauvillier a prospect and a pick, sure. But not two high end prospects and a 1st. For that price I’ll just gamble on Salo, Bolduc and Dobson.

Well, as things stand right now they have about $13.76M in cap space next year. They need to re-sign Bellows and Dobson. Salo would almost certainly be part of the trade (he's a pending RFA and won't cost much either way). They need to either re-sign or replace Clutterbuck and the same with Parise. If they move Varly or Bailey, it's not far-fetched at all for them to go big-game hunting in UFA over the summer. Forsberg and Gaudreau will both be UFA's as well as some other interesting names (Giroux/Copp).

Moving Varly OR Bailey puts them at almost $19M in cap space. Dobson and Bellows shouldn't cost a ton. If they did acquire Chychrun, they'd only have to fill one bottom pairing spot on D.

It's not inconceivable that they can pull of a major roster overhaul with somewhat-minimal effort. The Beau/Chychrun contracts would effectively cancel each other out (Chychrun's cap hit is $450k more) so that's a wash.
- eichiefs9

Except the Isles haven't been known to land the high profile free agents. And honestly, I don't know how hard they've been trying to land one. I know there were reports when Panarin was a UFA that the Isles were after him, but don't recall if $$$ or term was released.
Maybe you're right, maybe they can get a big-name, high profile UFA to sign. They've had some success recently, 2 deep playoff runs. They also have the brand new building which brings stability.

Except the Isles haven't been known to land the high profile free agents. And honestly, I don't know how hard they've been trying to land one. I know there were reports when Panarin was a UFA that the Isles were after him, but don't recall if $$$ or term was released.
Maybe you're right, maybe they can get a big-name, high profile UFA to sign. They've had some success recently, 2 deep playoff runs. They also have the brand new building which brings stability.
- Isleshockeyman

It was confirmed we offered panarin more money he decided to go to the rags instead.

It was confirmed we offered panarin more money he decided to go to the rags instead.
- Cptmjl

That's right, I couldn't remember. Of course nowadays things have changed. New building, competent staff, competitive, stability. Maybe those are the things that would sway a high end UFA.

That's right, I couldn't remember. Of course nowadays things have changed. New building, competent staff, competitive, stability. Maybe those are the things that would sway a high end UFA.
- Isleshockeyman

Yeah I would think so. I also do wonder if some of those high end UFA’s may be skittish about playing within the confines of a defense first system? Of course I’m not painting all UFA’s as maybe having reservations with it or even any just a thought.

Just so I'm clear...all of this stems from some random thought Arthur Staple dreamed up, right? I can't believe how the idea has taken off...Botta's out there polling "experts" on whether they'd do it

Just so I'm clear...all of this stems from some random thought Arthur Staple dreamed up, right? I can't believe how the idea has taken off...Botta's out there polling "experts" on whether they'd do it
- UIF

who the (frank) do they think they are, manish mehta?

Just so I'm clear...all of this stems from some random thought Arthur Staple dreamed up, right? I can't believe how the idea has taken off...Botta's out there polling "experts" on whether they'd do it
- UIF

There were a few other writers speculating about Churchryn. I know I spelt that wrong I’m not looking it up.

There were a few other writers speculating about Churchryn. I know I spelt that wrong I’m not looking it up.
- Cptmjl

Yeah, I get connecting the Isles to him as that makes some sense. But I'm just not sure why Staple's specific proposal should be taken any more seriously than a trade proposal you or I throw out here. It's not like he has any inside info, and, nothing against Staple, but most of the takes that come purely from his head are laughably bad.

Yeah, I get connecting the Isles to him as that makes some sense. But I'm just not sure why Staple's specific proposal should be taken any more seriously than a trade proposal you or I throw out here. It's not like he has any inside info, and, nothing against Staple, but most of the takes that come purely from his head are laughably bad.
- UIF

I agree with that 100%. I haven’t watched the guy to peg a value on him really but it seems kind of excessive. With that said I don’t think any one of the pieces from our side are high end really it’s more of a quantity trade to me. Beau is an inconsistent fwd who has never even broken 40 pts in a season, I like Salo but I doubt teams view him as a high end prospect, hopefully raty turns out for us if we keep him but he’s a complete unknown, and I can’t imagine a scenario where Lou trades that first unless it’s top ten protected. I honestly think that first is the most desirable part of that package in another teams eyes.

I agree with that 100%. I haven’t watched the guy to peg a value on him really but it seems kind of excessive. With that said I don’t think any one of the pieces from our side are high end really it’s more of a quantity trade to me. Beau is an inconsistent fwd who has never even broken 40 pts in a season, I like Salo but I doubt teams view him as a high end prospect, hopefully raty turns out for us if we keep him but he’s a complete unknown, and I can’t imagine a scenario where Lou trades that first unless it’s top ten protected. I honestly think that first is the most desirable part of that package in another teams eyes.
- Cptmjl

I don't know...my feeling is the Isles should just stand pat for now and see what happens. I don't see the point in making a major trade while you're still looking up at Columbus, Philly, etc....unless it's a steal of a trade that falls in your lap, which this wouldn't be as Arizona's supposedly asking for the moon.

And even if I was for betting it all on a major trade...like you, I don't know much about Chychrun (which probably means you and I have exactly as much insight on him as Staple), but this strikes me as buying insanely high on him and selling extremely low on our players. Maybe someone else can chime in here, but just looking at stats, it seems like he's played for six seasons and had one insane season offensively...last season. This season his output looks like it's coming back down to earth. So, if you're going to burn all those assets, what exactly are you getting?

I don't know...my feeling is the Isles should just stand pat for now and see what happens. I don't see the point in making a major trade while you're still looking up at Columbus, Philly, etc....unless it's a steal of a trade that falls in your lap, which this wouldn't be as Arizona's supposedly asking for the moon.

And even if I was for betting it all on a major trade...like you, I don't know much about Chychrun (which probably means you and I have exactly as much insight on him as Staple), but this strikes me as buying insanely high on him and selling extremely low on our players. Maybe someone else can chime in here, but just looking at stats, it seems like he's played for six seasons and had one insane season offensively...last season. This season his output looks like it's coming back down to earth. So, if you're going to burn all those assets, what exactly are you getting?
- UIF

From what little I understand a VERY good, young, offensive minded defenseman with a reasonable contract. A trade like this, to me, makes sense to a degree because it’s not a short term investment. I agree with the rest of your post. I would rather then stand pat unless for the reasons you stated but a trade like this MAY make sense for the short term and more importantly for the long term as well. Potential first pairing, minute eating, young, offensive defenseman don’t become available too often. Especially ones on great contracts.

I agree with that 100%. I haven’t watched the guy to peg a value on him really but it seems kind of excessive. With that said I don’t think any one of the pieces from our side are high end really it’s more of a quantity trade to me. Beau is an inconsistent fwd who has never even broken 40 pts in a season, I like Salo but I doubt teams view him as a high end prospect, hopefully raty turns out for us if we keep him but he’s a complete unknown, and I can’t imagine a scenario where Lou trades that first unless it’s top ten protected. I honestly think that first is the most desirable part of that package in another teams eyes.
- Cptmjl

As inconsistent as Beau is.. He isn't Bailey. He has scored some of the biggest goals in the biggest minutes for this team over the last few years. He flies around the ice, had very good corner work and creates a ton of issues with his speed and effort. Obviously, I like the guy a lot more than most on here.. but if he is gone we will regret it immediately. We already have a ton of guys in the mix who don't hustle, don't score and can't skate.

I like Bellows a lot.. mainly b/c he is a sniper, but Beau is a LOT better than Bellows.

Obviously speculation by Staple, but this would be interesting...

James Nichols
@JamesNicholsNYI
Via the No Sleep Till Belmont, @StapeAthletic suggests if the #isles are to make an offer for cost controlled Jacob Chychrun, it’ll likely cost something like Beauvillier, Räty, Salo, & a first.

Goes on to say that’s a move they should make, & I tend to agree.

James Nichols @JamesNicholsNYI
9m
We reported at @TFP that the cost was “massive,” and this package fits that profile. For four years of Chychrun and the #isles current window, it makes sense.
- eichiefs9

I have no interest in this trade.. zero.

Yeah, I get connecting the Isles to him as that makes some sense. But I'm just not sure why Staple's specific proposal should be taken any more seriously than a trade proposal you or I throw out here. It's not like he has any inside info, and, nothing against Staple, but most of the takes that come purely from his head are laughably bad.
- UIF

Not taking it seriously. More like just something a little bit different to talk about. No games to discuss for another week. If you'd like to throw out a trade proposal, we'd discuss that as well (not you BlueTaco).

Not taking it seriously. More like just something a little bit different to talk about. No games to discuss for another week. If you'd like to throw out a trade proposal, we'd discuss that as well (not you BlueTaco).
- Isleshockeyman

Not taking it seriously. More like just something a little bit different to talk about. No games to discuss for another week. If you'd like to throw out a trade proposal, we'd discuss that as well (not you BlueTaco).
- Isleshockeyman

Beau, Salo, Raty, & a first

for

Chychrun

I don't know...my feeling is the Isles should just stand pat for now and see what happens. I don't see the point in making a major trade while you're still looking up at Columbus, Philly, etc....unless it's a steal of a trade that falls in your lap, which this wouldn't be as Arizona's supposedly asking for the moon.

And even if I was for betting it all on a major trade...like you, I don't know much about Chychrun (which probably means you and I have exactly as much insight on him as Staple), but this strikes me as buying insanely high on him and selling extremely low on our players. Maybe someone else can chime in here, but just looking at stats, it seems like he's played for six seasons and had one insane season offensively...last season. This season his output looks like it's coming back down to earth. So, if you're going to burn all those assets, what exactly are you getting?
- UIF

Chychrun is a dynamic defenseman. He has great vision, skates well with or without the puck and is very good positionally. He also has a low cap hit for the next 3 years. His numbers are down because of the team he plays on. The Coyotes suck. BAD! He'll be 24 this year and I think if he were on a good team (like the Islanders), his numbers would be a lot higher.
He's the best player on that team. That's why the price for him would be extremely high. They're looking to build around him.

Beau, Salo, Raty, & a first

for

Chychrun
- UIF

Ok, let's discuss.

Man, that is a huge haul to give up. Especially with the prospect cupboards being pretty bare as it is.
Bellows seems to be stepping his game up though with 8 points in 14 games compared to Tito's 9 in 25.
If Salo goes, that would leave Aho or Bolduc as your first call-up (unless I'm not thinking of someone).
And Ratty appears to be a pretty good sniper. Yes, I know, he hasn't stepped foot on NHL ice, so he could be a bust.
Then the first round pick, which could be a decent one if the team keeps struggling the way it has been.
I don't know if I pull the trigger on it. You have to give to get though. As I type this out though, it seems to make a bit more sense. Still, it's a struggle. I guess we'll see if there's any validity to it.
At the very least, it gives us something to discuss.
- Isleshockeyman

It'd be an offseason move for sure, not suggesting that it'd ever happen during the season. So I'm sure they'd know what exactly they were giving up in the 1st round pick.

It's a lot, no doubt about it, but I'd do it. Chychrun could be a Norris-level defenseman on a halfway decent team.

Just so I'm clear...all of this stems from some random thought Arthur Staple dreamed up, right? I can't believe how the idea has taken off...Botta's out there polling "experts" on whether they'd do it
- UIF

Well it was definitely reported that if the Coyotes are willing to listen on Chychrun, but the asking price is "astronomical". Clearly that's an astronomical asking price from the Isles, so it's not like the speculation is that far off. If they're asking for that and not one of Wahlstrom/Dobson....I'm all for it. Plenty of room for debate on the topic, especially with the long layoff due to all the PPD games.

I don't know...my feeling is the Isles should just stand pat for now and see what happens. I don't see the point in making a major trade while you're still looking up at Columbus, Philly, etc....unless it's a steal of a trade that falls in your lap, which this wouldn't be as Arizona's supposedly asking for the moon.

And even if I was for betting it all on a major trade...like you, I don't know much about Chychrun (which probably means you and I have exactly as much insight on him as Staple), but this strikes me as buying insanely high on him and selling extremely low on our players. Maybe someone else can chime in here, but just looking at stats, it seems like he's played for six seasons and had one insane season offensively...last season. This season his output looks like it's coming back down to earth. So, if you're going to burn all those assets, what exactly are you getting?
- UIF

A near-Norris-level defenseman who's posted some strong numbers playing for one of the worst organizations in the league with little-to-no talent around him. He's one of the best defensemen in the league. He had 18g and 41pts in 56gp last year playing for a borderline-AHL team.

Chychrun is a dynamic defenseman. He has great vision, skates well with or without the puck and is very good positionally. He also has a low cap hit for the next 3 years. His numbers are down because of the team he plays on. The Coyotes suck. BAD! He'll be 24 this year and I think if he were on a good team (like the Islanders), his numbers would be a lot higher.
He's the best player on that team. That's why the price for him would be extremely high. They're looking to build around him.
- Isleshockeyman

Maybe, but I'm not sure if coming to the Isles is going to boost the offensive stats for anyone; especially a d-man. He probably has more offensive freedom now than he would in Trotz's system. I imagine that -29 he's got would be worlds better on the Isles though.

It'd be an offseason move for sure, not suggesting that it'd ever happen during the season. So I'm sure they'd know what exactly they were giving up in the 1st round pick.

It's a lot, no doubt about it, but I'd do it. Chychrun could be a Norris-level defenseman on a halfway decent team.
- eichiefs9

I think he could as well. I watched the kid play for a few years. I keep wavering between making the trade and not, It's just a lot to give up. Especially when the prospect pool is so shallow. But to get Chychrun, boy, he's a hell of a player.
You had stated in a previous post that the Isles could move Varly and/or Bailey and create some more cap space (I want to be clear here. You said could/may/possibly. In no way did you state they WILL. [God, people can take things out of context so quickly and easily]). If they did this deal (if this was actually discussed) and got Chychrun and traded Varly and Bailey, then went a got one or 2 solid top 6 six guys, then we might be talking about extending the current contender era. They'd still need to bring some young talent to the prospect pool though. In my opinion.

Maybe, but I'm not sure if coming to the Isles is going to boost the offensive stats for anyone; especially a d-man. He probably has more offensive freedom now than he would in Trotz's system. I imagine that -29 he's got would be worlds better on the Isles though.
- UIF

Think of Chychrun as a much better Nick Leddy. To your point, yes, under Trotz he might have a little less offensive freedom than he does right now, but it would be controlled freedom (where a forward would cover for him on a rush). And yes, his ± would be down. Just look at Leddy's numbers. He was a -42 under Weight. A year later, -1. He'd also have a lot more talent around him and not have to try to do everything himself.