you know i still want to see a game of something around 30 of 39 with some decent depth of targets. not even so much connecting on giant bombs but i want to see a game with some 3rd and 9 hard breaking timing throws to convert from the pocket.
- stayinthefnnet

I understand. I dunno if he will ever be that qb. If we achieve success, it will have to be with a deep team and he will be just one guy on that team.

But you know what, when game is on the line, he will somehow find a way to make 1-2 such throws during a clutch drive.

Colts lose, Dallas loses, Miami loses, Birds win.

Good Sunday.

I understand. I dunno if he will ever be that qb. If we achieve success, it will have to be with a deep team and he will be just one guy on that team.

But you know what, when game is on the line, he will somehow find a way to make 1-2 such throws during a clutch drive.

Colts lose, Dallas loses, Miami loses, Birds win.

Good Sunday.
- PT21

i could see merit in moving on but I could also see merit in using those picks to improve the foundation of the team as a whole. Youd really need to trust your scouts to take a chance on one of these qbs. Especially with the team likely making the playoffs, i think the optics of moving on from hurts already would be pretty poor from a PR persecptive

Vick was a great QB here. Hurts is nowhere near as good. Not even close.
- iamscore2day

He wasn't a great qb anywhere. Not in Atlanta, not here or wherever else he played. He was a moron who consistently made poor decisions.

When push came to shove, he could be contained and handled and relied upon to throw INTs or overlook open receivers beyond his first read.

My favorite memory of him is in that NFC playoff game from the early 2000s when we contained him throughout and Hollis Thomas finally goes through and squashes him like a bug.

He wasn't a great qb anywhere. Not in Atlanta, not here or wherever else he played. He was a moron who consistently made poor decisions.

When push came to shove, he could be contained and handled and relied upon to throw INTs or overlook open receivers beyond his first read.

My favorite memory of him is in that NFC playoff game from the early 2000s when we contained him throughout and Hollis Thomas finally goes through and squashes him like a bug.
- PT21

I did like that championship game. Dawkins hit on Vick was actually my favorite part. But Vick was not the reason we did not win when he was here. Guy could flat out play. Hurts is not as good a runner and not as good a passer. Not even close.

i could see merit in moving on but I could also see merit in using those picks to improve the foundation of the team as a whole. Youd really need to trust your scouts to take a chance on one of these qbs. Especially with the team likely making the playoffs, i think the optics of moving on from hurts already would be pretty poor from a PR persecptive
- stayinthefnnet

Unlikely they are moving on now. Especially with that qb class in draft.

Of course, Howie could poop the bed and trade him for Watson or Wilson, but somehow, I doubt it now.

I did like that championship game. Dawkins hit on Vick was actually my favorite part. But Vick was not the reason we did not win when he was here. Guy could flat out play. Hurts is not as good a runner and not as good a passer. Not even close.
- iamscore2day

I will grant you both of those, sure. Vick is arguably the best qb runner ever. And he had a far better arm than Hurts.

But Hurts has a far better brain.

We seem to have different memories of Vicks tenure here. How many INTS did that guy throw?! Must be a ton.

The Pronger trade accomplished nothing. No SC, no long term dominance and it gave the false impression that we were closer than we actually were. As for the 35+ issue, it was contemporaneously reported that Homer mistakenly thought that the salary cap would no apply to Pronger’s contract. As for my prior posts, try speaking a little less authoritatively about things you plainly don’t understand. Do you really think Yandle would sign with a team that would not guarantee that he would be able to break this record? Just not how a deal like this gets done.
- iamscore2day

Again, you're wrong in my opinion. The Pronger trade was a big reason why they made it to the Cup finals in 2010. Why they had a legitimate chance to win the Cup. That's accomplishing something if you ask me. If you want to say they lost so they ultimately accomplished nothing, that's your prerogative. You're correct about the 35+ issue but again, that never came into play so no harm, no foul.

As far as the Yandle situation is concerned. It is actually you that doesn't understand. No GM or team would guarantee such a thing for a player. I mentioned the SPC because I truly do understand it. You obviously don't. I know what is allowed to be negotiated in a contract and what is not. Yandle didn't have many options and signed cheaply. The only likely thing in the negotiation that they talked about was that the Flyers had an opening on the 3rd pair for a LH shot defenseman and he could get some PP time. As a player that was bought out and did not have a big market of suitors in the NHL, Yandle had no leverage. As evidence by the value of the deal he signed. It's your ignorance both in terms of what can be included in an SPC and how things work in the NHL. I speak authoritatively because I have knowledge of the CBA and player contracts.

You should be far more sure about things if you want to tell people what they don't understand. Your responses that had zero content, showed that you had no insight.

Unlikely they are moving on now. Especially with that qb class in draft.

Of course, Howie could poop the bed and trade him for Watson or Wilson, but somehow, I doubt it now.
- PT21

that is the only path that i would fail to see merit in.

win lose or draw, if you want to build around hurts and it doesnt work out, it at least made sense. if you say why waste time and feel the need to draft another kid and cut bait, it may blow up in your face but i can at least see the wheels turning into something rational.

moving the necessary equity to get guys with either question marks/then before you know it pushing 30 or wilson already over it, is the only thing they could do that just would be wrong without the need of any sort of hindsight to evaluate.

Vick was a great QB here. Hurts is nowhere near as good. Not even close.
- iamscore2day

Vick had one good year as an Eagle in 2010. He was no where near great.

I will grant you both of those, sure. Vick is arguably the best qb runner ever. And he had a far better arm than Hurts.

But Hurts has a far better brain.

We seem to have different memories of Vicks tenure here. How many INTS did that guy throw?! Must be a ton.
- PT21

Vick had a better pure arm talent. The jury is still very out, but so far Hurts seems like he is able to mentally to do more with physically less.

I will grant you both of those, sure. Vick is arguably the best qb runner ever. And he had a far better arm than Hurts.

But Hurts has a far better brain.

We seem to have different memories of Vicks tenure here. How many INTS did that guy throw?! Must be a ton.
- PT21

Vick was just as good a playmaker as Hurts. Not fair to compare ability to read defenses because Vick was a lot more experienced when he played here. Both seem smart to me. Hurts seems to lose confidence sometimes in my view. On the last drive in the loss to the Giants , he seemed unsure and his mechanics looked off. Not an anti-Hurts guy, he is just not like MV right now.

Vick was just as good a playmaker as Hurts. Not fair to compare ability to read defenses because Vick was a lot more experienced when he played here. Both seem smart to me. Hurts seems to lose confidence sometimes in my view. On the last drive in the loss to the Giants , he seemed unsure and his mechanics looked off. Not an anti-Hurts guy, he is just not like MV right now.
- iamscore2day

im neither very big or very down on hurts, but i would say that it is a tough comparison when one was a number one overall pick and the other was overdrafted in the mid second.

Vicks big year also had some very good weaponry.

im neither very big or very down on hurts, but i would say that it is a tough comparison when one was a number one overall pick and the other was overdrafted in the mid second.

Vicks big year also had some very good weaponry.
- stayinthefnnet

Hurts is a big time competitor and an obvious leader that his teammates love to play with. However, he just does not have the physical skills to be a big time NFL QB in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong. He doesn't have an NFL arm in my opinion. Part of it also my bias in that I hate an offense with QB runs. That type of offense can make you more competitive but long term, you will never truly compete for a SB victory playing like that in my opinion.

Again, you're wrong. The Pronger trade was a big reason why they made it to the Cup finals in 2010. Why they had a legitimate chance to win the Cup. That's accomplishing something if you ask me. If you want to say they lost so they ultimately accomplished nothing, that's your prerogative. You're correct about the 35+ issue but again, that never came into play so no harm, no foul.

As far as the Yandle situation is concerned. It is actually you that doesn't understand. No GM or team would guarantee such a thing for a player. I mentioned the SPC because I truly do understand it. You obviously don't. I know what is allowed to be negotiated in a contract and what is not. Yandle didn't have many options and signed cheaply. The only likely thing in the negotiation that they talked about was that the Flyers had an opening on the 3rd pair for a LH shot defenseman and he could get some PP time. As a player that was bought out and did not have a big market of suitors in the NHL, Yandle had no leverage. As evidence by the value of the deal he signed. It's your ignorance both in terms of what can be included in an SPC and how things work in the NHL. I speak authoritatively because I have knowledge of the CBA and player contracts.

You should be far more sure about things if you want to tell people what they don't understand. Your responses that had zero content, showed that you had no insight.
- MJL

If you are content to get close and not win, you are part of the problem in the fan base. Trading for a player of that age is mot something you can build around. No one should need to be told that. It’s common sense. How did the Pronger contract not affect things when it was something Hexy had to handle years later?
As for the contract dynamics, you’re just wrong. Just because you read the CBA and have knowledge of the “contracts,” whatever that means, isn’t the same as actual knowledge of what happened. It is just not possible that this was not a part of the deal. He signed in July if memory serves and could have waited a while. What player would walk from a chance for a record like that?

im neither very big or very down on hurts, but i would say that it is a tough comparison when one was a number one overall pick and the other was overdrafted in the mid second.

Vicks big year also had some very good weaponry.
- stayinthefnnet

Totally fair. I agree with that. Again, not an anti-Jalen guy. I just like Vick.

Hurts is a big time competitor and an obvious leader that his teammates love to play with. However, he just does not have the physical skills to be a big time NFL QB in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong. He doesn't have an NFL arm in my opinion. Part of it also my bias in that I hate an offense with QB runs. That type of offense can make you more competitive but long term, you will never truly compete for a SB victory playing like that in my opinion.
- MJL

no argument from me on absolutely any of that.

If you are content to get close and not win, you are part of the problem in the fan base. Trading for a player of that age is mot something you can build around. No one should need to be told that. It’s common sense. How did the Pronger contract not affect things when it was something Hexy had to handle years later?
As for the contract dynamics, you’re just wrong. Just because you read the CBA and have knowledge of the “contracts,” whatever that means, isn’t the same as actual knowledge of what happened. It is just not possible that this was not a part of the deal. He signed in July if memory serves and could have waited a while. What player would walk from a chance for a record like that?
- iamscore2day

Fans have no impact on the result of the team so that's a moot point. We're also not talking about what makes a fan content. The Flyers were in a win now mode and weren't looking to build for the future. They were looking to win now. That's common sense and anyone who followed the Flyers shouldn't need to be told that.

You claim I'm wrong because I don't have actual knowledge of what happened. You do? You don't. My stance is based on facts. Your stance is based on speculation. It's very possible that it is not a part of deal simply because a clause like that is not allowed to be part of the deal. Now you could speculate that they had a hand shake agreement but in my opinion, no GM would put a player individual goal ahead of the team and it's overall accomplishments and therefore would not promise that Yandle would never be kept out of the lineup if the situation called for it for the good of the team.

Say what you will about Hurts. I understand the concerns. But when it comes to crunch time, dude's a baller. I mean dude can flat out ball.
- PT21

i feel like hurts is a guy meant to be in philly doesn't mean he's the best QB

i feel like hurts is a guy meant to be in philly doesn't mean he's the best QB
- 2Real

I do agree with those who say he may just be too limited a passer to get us to the final goal. But here I am departing from stats, and relying on intuition.

There is just a bit of something something going on with that guy. Like, he may not have the natural abilities, but he has the temperament and intelligence to adjust to his inabilities.

Fans have no impact on the result of the team so that's a moot point. We're also not talking about what makes a fan content. The Flyers were in a win now mode and weren't looking to build for the future. They were looking to win now. That's common sense and anyone who followed the Flyers shouldn't need to be told that.

You claim I'm wrong because I don't have actual knowledge of what happened. You do? You don't. My stance is based on facts. Your stance is based on speculation. It's very possible that it is not a part of deal simply because a clause like that is not allowed to be part of the deal. Now you could speculate that they had a hand shake agreement but in my opinion, no GM would put a player individual goal ahead of the team and it's overall accomplishments and therefore would not promise that Yandle would never be kept out of the lineup if the situation called for it for the good of the team.
- MJL

Well, I would say that Yandle should sit for the good of the team. He doesn’t pass the eye test. He consistently turns the puck over and can’t keep up with young, quick players. To me, the fact that he has not been sat down tells me that it was part of the deal. However great of a player he was in the past, that is not true anymore.

Well, I would say that Yandle should sit for the good of the team. He doesn’t pass the eye test. He consistently turns the puck over and can’t keep up with young, quick players. To me, the fact that he has not been sat down tells me that it was part of the deal. However great of a player he was in the past, that is not true anymore.
- iamscore2day

Here is what you're not considering. The vet options on the roster aren't an upgrade if any. Unless they're willing to recall Zamula or play York, then they don't have many options. We'll see what happens when Ellis is ready to play.

A lot of terrible opinions in here tonight.

He wasn't a great qb anywhere. Not in Atlanta, not here or wherever else he played. He was a moron who consistently made poor decisions.

When push came to shove, he could be contained and handled and relied upon to throw INTs or overlook open receivers beyond his first read.

My favorite memory of him is in that NFC playoff game from the early 2000s when we contained him throughout and Hollis Thomas finally goes through and squashes him like a bug.
- PT21

You really hate Black people, don't you?

You really hate Black people, don't you?
- corduroy

you're a moron

Hurts is a big time competitor and an obvious leader that his teammates love to play with. However, he just does not have the physical skills to be a big time NFL QB in my opinion. I hope I'm wrong. He doesn't have an NFL arm in my opinion. Part of it also my bias in that I hate an offense with QB runs. That type of offense can make you more competitive but long term, you will never truly compete for a SB victory playing like that in my opinion.
- MJL

Agreed

I like the guy. Certainly want him to succeed. He’s got the locker room, I just don’t think he’s got the arm. Kinda reminds me of Jeff Garcia later in his career.

The fans got more pressure on him than the D-Line did today when the fence broke as he was leaving.