A lot of terrible opinions in here tonight.
- KGBflyers10

It's a catharsis.

For all the posters who keep on asking for a Wade Allison update every few hours:
https://twitter.com/BobRo...tatus/1477686717016690694

For all the posters who keep on asking for a Wade Allison update every few hours:
https://twitter.com/BobRo...tatus/1477686717016690694
- Bendecko

but what about Ellis

but what about Ellis
- 2Real

Sirexa says:

"Ellis (or Ellice, born circa 1810) died back in March 1848, apparently from measles (because they didn't have a vaccine back then), in the area of Kamiah, Idaho, where he farmed and ranched while being the first elected leader of the Nez Perce."

but what about Ellis
- 2Real

Yeah. I expected that he’d be getting close to a return by now. They’re really not rushing him this time.

Watched a bit of the pitt game yesterday and they were flying although had some d and goaltending issues. Going to be rough sledding against them.

It's amazing how quickly you have flip flopped from the GM making all the right moves last off season and changing the culture. Remember when you were sick of tired of waiting and draft picks were expendable because they take 3 years to reach the NHL? Now they need to sell and draft high.
- MJL

Again, for the umpteenth time, I was and am still very happy with what Fletcher did last summer. He went as far as he could to give this core group a chance to win. He picked up a legitimate top pairing defenseman who unfortunately has had some bad luck this year so far, he picked up what is clearly the Flyers best defenseman in Risto (this is just not disputable anymore to anyone with an open mind), Jones has been very good, Brassard has been better than we thought, and Cam has helped in ways Jake could never do. Yandle has been a disaster but the Ellis injury is impacting this quite a bit IMO. Also don't forget getting MacEwen and Brown off waivers, they have been very good for this team this year!

But with all the moves that were made, one simple fact remains. This team does not have the forward talent to truly compete for a Cup, plain and simple. Their top players are not top players in the league and this is just reality (G is the only player in the top 50 in scoring, 35th!). Fletcher did what he could with the cap space and assets he had, it just wasn't enough to compensate for this one simple but very important fact. So once reality sets in, you must act and that is what I am proposing Fletcher does this year, trade as many vets as he can including Risto and G and build through the next two drafts which are both supposed to be very good ones. The key difference is I have come around to believe you must draft very high in the draft (top 5) in order to get players that can play now, versus waiting 3 years for them to develop.

There is no flip-flopping here. Fletcher gave it a shot with this core group, and it didn't work out. Now its time to accept and act.

I understand. I dunno if he will ever be that qb. If we achieve success, it will have to be with a deep team and he will be just one guy on that team.

But you know what, when game is on the line, he will somehow find a way to make 1-2 such throws during a clutch drive.

Colts lose, Dallas loses, Miami loses, Birds win.

Good Sunday.
- PT21

Who cares? The Eagles aren't going anywhere. They have yet to even beat a team this year with an above .500 record. Watered down NFL strikes again.

Again, for the umpteenth time, I was and am still very happy with what Fletcher did last summer. He went as far as he could to give this core group a chance to win. He picked up a legitimate top pairing defenseman who unfortunately has had some bad luck this year so far, he picked up what is clearly the Flyers best defenseman in Risto (this is just not disputable anymore to anyone with an open mind), Jones has been very good, Brassard has been better than we thought, and Cam has helped in ways Jake could never do. Yandle has been a disaster but the Ellis injury is impacting this quite a bit IMO. Also don't forget getting MacEwen and Brown off waivers, they have been very good for this team this year!

But with all the moves that were made, one simple fact remains. This team does not have the forward talent to truly compete for a Cup, plain and simple. Their top players are not top players in the league and this is just reality (G is the only player in the top 50 in scoring, 35th!). Fletcher did what he could with the cap space and assets he had, it just wasn't enough to compensate for this one simple but very important fact. So once reality sets in, you must act and that is what I am proposing Fletcher does this year, trade as many vets as he can including Risto and G and build through the next two drafts which are both supposed to be very good ones. The key difference is I have come around to believe you must draft very high in the draft (top 5) in order to get players that can play now, versus waiting 3 years for them to develop.

There is no flip-flopping here. Fletcher gave it a shot with this core group, and it didn't work out. Now its time to accept and act.
- jd250

I give you an A for effort here on this spin attempt but there are comments here that are in direct conflict once again. I'm not going to debate point by point here with the many erroneous statements made , especially the Ristolainen comment. I'll just address it generally. How can you be happy with the moves made that did nothing to elevate the team and damaged the teams ability to rebuild in the future when you're now calling for the team to jettison vets for a rebuild? It's doesn't work. The reality was present last off season when I debated with you on the moves. The issue is that your opinion is completely reactionary with no future vision. It changes with the wind. It wasn't that long ago back in December when you posted referencing comments Yeo made and that you believed that the Flyers should rebuild around Rsitolainen. I wonder what you'll be posting when the Flyers go on their normal late season, too late run? Just how are the Flyers going to get one of those top 5 picks? It also doesn't explain or support your previous comments on why just a short time ago, you devalued high draft picks based on the time frame it supposedly takes. What kind of picks are you expecting to get back for Giroux or Ristolainen?

Here is what you're not considering. The vet options on the roster aren't an upgrade if any. Unless they're willing to recall Zamula or play York, then they don't have many options. We'll see what happens when Ellis is ready to play.
- MJL

For one game I disagree. Yandel needs to sit. You can ty to rationalize it any way you want. They are putting his streak ahead of the team.

Again, for the umpteenth time, I was and am still very happy with what Fletcher did last summer. He went as far as he could to give this core group a chance to win. He picked up a legitimate top pairing defenseman who unfortunately has had some bad luck this year so far, he picked up what is clearly the Flyers best defenseman in Risto (this is just not disputable anymore to anyone with an open mind), Jones has been very good, Brassard has been better than we thought, and Cam has helped in ways Jake could never do. Yandle has been a disaster but the Ellis injury is impacting this quite a bit IMO. Also don't forget getting MacEwen and Brown off waivers, they have been very good for this team this year!

But with all the moves that were made, one simple fact remains. This team does not have the forward talent to truly compete for a Cup, plain and simple. Their top players are not top players in the league and this is just reality (G is the only player in the top 50 in scoring, 35th!). Fletcher did what he could with the cap space and assets he had, it just wasn't enough to compensate for this one simple but very important fact. So once reality sets in, you must act and that is what I am proposing Fletcher does this year, trade as many vets as he can including Risto and G and build through the next two drafts which are both supposed to be very good ones. The key difference is I have come around to believe you must draft very high in the draft (top 5) in order to get players that can play now, versus waiting 3 years for them to develop.

There is no flip-flopping here. Fletcher gave it a shot with this core group, and it didn't work out. Now its time to accept and act.
- jd250

it is very disputable as it is not true at all.

Let me ask you this, if they trade RR does he get back a better, same, or lesser return then what the flyers paid?

For one game I disagree. Yandel needs to sit. You can ty to rationalize it any way you want. They are putting his streak ahead of the team.
- hello it's me 2050

They absolutely are and there is zero chance that they sit him. Yandle must have no pride embarrassing himself night after night in search of a totally meaningless record

They absolutely are and there is zero chance that they sit him. Yandle must have no pride embarrassing himself night after night in search of a totally meaningless record
- hfc355

He will not sit even after he breaks it. They will at a very minimum get him to 1001 games.

Who cares? The Eagles aren't going anywhere. They have yet to even beat a team this year with an above .500 record. Watered down NFL strikes again.
- Phillywhiteout

True, but a playoff game will be a good experience for some of the younger guys

it is very disputable as it is not true at all.

Let me ask you this, if they trade RR does he get back a better, same, or lesser return then what the flyers paid?
- hello it's me 2050

Depends who else is available. The market will determine the return like it always does. If the Flyers can’t get him signed, then he probably is gone. I’m not sure RR has been their best d man either, although I don’t think anyone has really outplayed him though….not sure if that’s saying much.

True, but a playoff game will be a good experience for some of the younger guys
- DaveofYork

I agree…it’s always good to make the playoffs…gives the Birds another chance to grade out Hurt’s. They are healthy for the most part. With the “Covid” card, some of these match ups could be interesting to say the least.

Depends who else is available. The market will determine the return like it always does. If the Flyers can’t get him signed, then he probably is gone. I’m not sure RR has been their best d man either, although I don’t think anyone has really outplayed him though….not sure if that’s saying much.
- landros 2

RR has been on losing teams his entire career. Unless the flyers just blow him away with an offer ( that is def possible with this GM) I am not resigning. I would want to test the free agency market.

I give you an A for effort here on this spin attempt but there are comments here that are in direct conflict once again. I'm not going to debate point by point here with the many erroneous statements made , especially the Ristolainen comment. I'll just address it generally. How can you be happy with the moves made that did nothing to elevate the team and damaged the teams ability to rebuild in the future when you're now calling for the team to jettison vets for a rebuild? It's doesn't work. The reality was present last off season when I debated with you on the moves. The issue is that your opinion is completely reactionary with no future vision. It changes with the wind. It wasn't that long ago back in December when you posted referencing comments Yeo made and that you believed that the Flyers should rebuild around Rsitolainen. I wonder what you'll be posting when the Flyers go on their normal late season, too late run? Just how are the Flyers going to get one of those top 5 picks? It also doesn't explain or support your previous comments on why just a short time ago, you devalued high draft picks based on the time frame it supposedly takes. What kind of picks are you expecting to get back for Giroux or Ristolainen?
- MJL

Again, no effort, and no spin here. I was optimistic when the season started but the reality is now clear and I have accepted it. I am sure the Flyers will get Ellis back and in general get healthy at some point this season and, sure, they will go on a run. But this will not change my opinion now or moving forward. The team does not have any top scorers in this league and until they do they will never be a legitimate contender. Since I can't see a scenario where the Flyers can trade their way to getting such a player, the only recourse is to draft high and hope the players they draft work out. I already have explained the draft picks to you. If the Flyers draft in the top 5 they have a good chance to take a player who will be ready to play right away, versus taking 3 or more years to develop.

I think for G you can get a 1st round this year, a pick next year, maybe even a good prospect. For Risto I think you can get at least a 1st round pick this year and another pick. And depending on where the Flyers finish, their pick might be in the top 10. Now you have three 1st round picks to work with in this draft which should give you enough capital to move up to get the player you want. Or Fletcher can ask for picks in next year's draft and try to put a monster package together to get the number 1 pick and draft Connor Bedard. Who knows, there are tons of possibilities. All I do know is, this team is going no where until they get a couple of top players in the league, plain and simple.

it is very disputable as it is not true at all.

Let me ask you this, if they trade RR does he get back a better, same, or lesser return then what the flyers paid?
- hello it's me 2050

The Flyers gave up a the 14th pick, 2023 23nd round pick and Haag for Risto. I think the Flyers can get a 1st round pick back this year, and depending on how intense the bidding war is for Risto, they could get a 2nd next year also. However the 1st the Flyers would get back this year would be in the 20s, not the teens most likely. Haag was cannon fodder, nothing more.

Again, no effort, and no spin here. I was optimistic when the season started but the reality is now clear and I have accepted it. I am sure the Flyers will get Ellis back and in general get healthy at some point this season and, sure, they will go on a run. But this will not change my opinion now or moving forward. The team does not have any top scorers in this league and until they do they will never be a legitimate contender. Since I can't see a scenario where the Flyers can trade their way to getting such a player, the only recourse is to draft high and hope the players they draft work out. I think for G you can get a 1st round this year, a pick next year and a good prospect. For Risto I think you can get at least a 1st round pick this year and another pick. And depending on where the Flyers finish, their pick might be in the top 10. Now you have three 1st round picks to work with in this draft which should give you enough capital to move up to get the player you want. Or Fletcher can ask for picks in next year's draft and try to put a monster package together to get the number 1 pick and draft Connor Bedard. Who knows, there are tons of possibilities. All I do know is, this team is going no where until they get a couple of top players in the league, plain and simple.
- jd250

Of course your opinion will change. It always has. That's the point. Can you not see that if the overall result of the changes made this past off season is that the team has now gone from what you thought it would be. To the point that you now think they need to be rebuilt. Then the moves were not good moves. Still liking the moves is just having blinders on. The moves will hinder what you now want the team to do. None of what you speculate the Flyers will get, will be enough to move up in the draft or to get the first overall pick. Are you serious? Think about where a team is in the standings that will be interested in Giroux. It will be a low first round pick. It's just more fantasy just like it was this past off season.
Explain to me how the situation of needing top players and top scorers is any different now then it was this past off season? Explain to me how any of the moves Fletcher made addressed that area? Yet you were saying all along that you were tired of waiting and draft picks can be moved because their 3 years away. The GM made all the right moves and changed the culture. Remember? It's hysterical.
What was I saying? Anyone who thinks that Fletcher was going to trade this team into contention in one off season was kidding themselves.
The team should've never abandoned the approach that they were taking under Hextall and anyone who agreed with what the team has done under Fletcher is wrong.

The Flyers gave up a the 14th pick, 2023 23nd round pick and Haag for Risto. I think the Flyers can get a 1st round pick back this year, and depending on how intense the bidding war is for Risto, they could get a 2nd next year also. However the 1st the Flyers would get back this year would be in the 20s, not the teens most likely. Haag was cannon fodder, nothing more.
- jd250

Haag would help this team this year.

RR has been on losing teams his entire career. Unless the flyers just blow him away with an offer ( that is def possible with this GM) I am not resigning. I would want to test the free agency market.
- hello it's me 2050

With how the team has played I can easily see him go the ufa route. If it’s close or we are in the playoffs he is signed…..probably.

He will not sit even after he breaks it. They will at a very minimum get him to 1001 games.
- hello it's me 2050

And unless something happens to kessel it’s all for naught. He will pass him the following season.