Giroux + Foerster? The latter is RW for RW, though lower projection ceilings ofc.
- PT21

No, I would not give up Foerster.

What do you plan to give up for Kakko?
- hello it's me 2050

Flyers dont have what they would want for kakko and it would be a lot....it would start with a quality 2C

There is no reason to believe that TK would help them much this year's playoffs, especially after his 2020 showing.

If Blueshirts make that sort of deal, it would be because they are giving up on future for the sake of present. You would have to give them potential impact players now that they don't have to pay a whole lot in future.
- PT21

I don't think we have anyone that they would be interested in.

Players develop into core pieces of a cup winning team. Some do it faster than others. There is also plenty said about them before they actually become a core member of a cup team. To not acknowledge that most players would be better playing on a better team with better players is shortsighted. This is true for all but the elite.

Can Lefraniere, Kakko or Chytil develop and grow into players who are core players on a cup team
- MJL

Those 3 guys have played 3rd line minutes together most of the year. Rangers are in no rush to push them into having to carry the team with their forward depth. Remember I think Kakko and Lafreniere are only 20 yrs old. Kakko and Laf will be core players Chytil No

Provorov led the NHL in goals scored for defenseman in his second year in the league and put up 41 points in 17/18. He was also a plus 17. What has he done this year that compares to that?

First you talk about what you have seen from him frequently this year and then state that he's not even in the top 50 of defenseman scoring.
- MJL

My point is I see it from Provey from time to time. I know its in there for him to be a legitimate top pairing defenseman in this league but for some reason he is not consistent, and surely has not played up to the level he demonstrated in his second season. I do believe that his ceiling is what he did in his 2nd season with 41 points and a +17 which would put him right in the top 25 of scoring defenseman.

Not a chance they are trading Kakko...kids only 20 yrs old. Physical power forward likely develop into a Kreider type player. They would probably trade Chytil OR Krastov and a 2nd for G or their 1st and a lesser prospect
- hfc355

You are likely right. But the problem is, their contention time is now, and it is not coinciding with Kakko's future peak which is likely years away.

Giroux could truly be a huge difference maker. ALmost a ppg this season. His greatest success in playoffs has been playing deeper in line up. Great in FO. Possession driver. Can play wing or center, play on 2nd pp, great in FOs, never misses a shift. Etc. etc.

Now add in Foerster.

Flyers dont have what they would want for kakko and it would be a lot....it would start with a quality 2C
- hfc355

You mean the Rangers wouldn't want Hayes back??

You are likely right. But the problem is, their contention time is now, and it is not coinciding with Kakko's future peak which is likely years away.

Giroux could truly be a huge difference maker. ALmost a ppg this season. His greatest success in playoffs has been playing deeper in line up. Great in FO. Possession driver. Can play wing or center, play on 2nd pp, great in FOs, never misses a shift. Etc. etc.

Now add in Foerster.
- PT21

I'm not trading Foerster for a forward with 11 points in his 3rd season so far, sorry!

Those 3 guys have played 3rd line minutes together most of the year. Rangers are in no rush to push them into having to carry the team with their forward depth. Remember I think Kakko and Lafreniere are only 20 yrs old. Kakko and Laf will be core players Chytil No
- hfc355

The point being made with that comment is that some players, no matter how highly they were drafted, take time to grow into top players. Not every player can be written off as not being able to reach the status of an elite player because they weren't elite out of the gate.

You are likely right. But the problem is, their contention time is now, and it is not coinciding with Kakko's future peak which is likely years away.

Giroux could truly be a huge difference maker. ALmost a ppg this season. His greatest success in playoffs has been playing deeper in line up. Great in FO. Possession driver. Can play wing or center, play on 2nd pp, great in FOs, never misses a shift. Etc. etc.

Now add in Foerster.
- PT21

I disagree. The Rangers window is just opening. Their contention time is far more than just now. I think they would be foolish to move top young prospects in win now moves now.

I'm not trading Foerster for a forward with 11 points in his 3rd season so far, sorry!
- jd250

And that is exactly why we will never get anywhere in the foreseable future. Not bad enough to pick high. Not brave enough to gamble and risk being bad.

How many points does Foerster have in the NHL?

You are likely right. But the problem is, their contention time is now, and it is not coinciding with Kakko's future peak which is likely years away.

Giroux could truly be a huge difference maker. ALmost a ppg this season. His greatest success in playoffs has been playing deeper in line up. Great in FO. Possession driver. Can play wing or center, play on 2nd pp, great in FOs, never misses a shift. Etc. etc.

Now add in Foerster.
- PT21

Why is their contention time now?? they are the 3rd youngest team in the NHL with a stable of young D men not on the roster. They are set up to be in contention for many years . Reaves is the only guy over 30

Giroux and Provorov put on Covid list. This season is a farce.

The point being made with that comment is that some players, no matter how highly they were drafted, take time to grow into top players. Not every player can be written off as not being able to reach the status of an elite player because they weren't elite out of the gate.
- MJL

Totally agree...plus there is no pressure on them to be elite team doesnt need them to be elite yet just develop

And that is exactly why we will never get anywhere in the foreseable future. Not bad enough to pick high. Not brave enough to gamble and risk being bad.

How many points does Foerster have in the NHL?
- PT21

The Flyers are not in a position to gamble and give away top prospects.

You question on how many points does Foerster have in the NHL is not a smart one.

Can Covid end the iron man streak? Or does that not count?

Can Covid end the iron man streak? Or does that not count?
- ClaudeFather

It would most definitely count.

Why is their contention time now?? they are the 3rd youngest team in the NHL with a stable of young D men not on the roster. They are set up to be in contention for many years . Reaves is the only guy over 30
- hfc355

Panarin is 30+. He is really the key.

Anyway, I largely agree with you. I think such a trade is highly unlikely. Even with Foerster.

Giroux and Provorov put on Covid list. This season is a farce.
- PLindbergh31

Is this true?

Panarin is 30+. He is really the key.

Anyway, I largely agree with you. I think such a trade is highly unlikely. Even with Foerster.
- PT21

Panarin just turned 30. He has a lot of top years left barring injury.

The Flyers are not in a position to gamble and give away top prospects.

You question on how many points does Foerster have in the NHL is not a smart one.
- MJL

He was projecting with Foerster, and giving F the benefit of optimism. How do we know Foerster's initial years will be any better than Kakko's?

But not doing the same with Kakko (who is only 20, and has a projected ceiling that is way, way higher).

You have to give to get buddy.

He was projecting with Foerster, and giving F the benefit of optimism. How do we know Foerster's initial years will be any better than Kakko's?

But not doing the same with Kakko (who is only 20, and has a projected ceiling that is way, way higher).

You have to give to get buddy.
- PT21

No, he wasn't projecting with Foerster. He was saying that your proposed deal is too much to give up for Kakko and I agree with him.

You do have to give but you don't give up more than you should buddy.

Panarin is 30+. He is really the key.

Anyway, I largely agree with you. I think such a trade is highly unlikely. Even with Foerster.
- PT21

Panarin just turned 30 but remember this is just his 7th season didnt come to NHL till was age 23

Is this true?
- SuperSchennBros

Yup.

Can Covid end the iron man streak? Or does that not count?
- ClaudeFather

they're going to play him with covid