If you look back at all the transactions he’s made, have any resulted in young prospects, high draft picks or superstars?
- SuperSchennBros

One I am aware of, and I only know this because I looked it up recently. Apparently, the Wild liked Kaprisov "enough" to trade with the Bruins a 5th rounder for future 5th rounder to be able to draft him.

JVR was a much better player at the time than Pylon Schenn! That was a terrible trade at the time.
- Phillywhiteout

Luke had the "physicality". They saw him as a potential Jim Vandermeer.

What’s wrong with yellow fruit snacks? I was hoping for a peanut butter sandwich reference but yellow fruit snacks?
- SuperSchennBros

They were hard as rocks.

(and yellow no 5 was a thing)

I don't know, this trade would be hard for any GM to pass up. Ellis is one of the best RHS defenseman in the league and was signed to a reasonable contract and cap hit given the player he is. And the Flyers gave up, what turns out to be, very little in return. I can't see any GM turning away from this deal. Now if you want to say it was too good to be true and Nashville knew at the time Ellis was going to go through this season injured then I can see the pause, but even then I might have done that deal because I do believe Ellis is going to come back and play well for this team for years to come.
- jd250

this 1000%. sometimes being a gm means taking a gamble and i don't even see this deal as a huge gamble. unfortunate the way it turned out this year.

They were hard as rocks.

(and yellow no 5 was a thing)
- Tomahawk

I never noticed one being harder than the other but I’m sure things have changed since the 70’s.

https://twitter.com/NHLFlyers/status/1478471333122129932?s=20

yea our season is officially over
- 2Real

since when does giroux being out mean our season is over? i thought he was heartless, gutless garbage?

It was Giroux and Foerster for Kakko.
- MJL

I know but it 6 weeks of Giroux. Not giving up a 20 yr old kid who has been in league 3 yrs with his potential for 6 wks of G and a questionable prospect. I think they would love G for the playoffs as their 3C , in fact he is a perfect fit, but best would get is a Chytil OR Kratsov and maybe a 2nd

Trading Buchnevich was a mistake by them.
- MJL

No it wasnt they had no choice if they wanted to keep Zibanejad . They could have kept him for this year but would have lost him for nothing after the season. They have young cheap wingers who will replace him

I know but it 6 weeks of Giroux. Not giving up a 20 yr old kid who has been in league 3 yrs with his potential for 6 wks of G and a questionable prospect. I think they would love G for the playoffs as their 3C , in fact he is a perfect fit, but best would get is a Chytil OR Kratsov and maybe a 2nd
- hfc355

CC and 4th

for Kratsov 1st 7th

I wouldnt trust Fletcher trading lunch against a preschooler
- THE BLACK HAND

Best comment today!!!

I know but it 6 weeks of Giroux. Not giving up a 20 yr old kid who has been in league 3 yrs with his potential for 6 wks of G and a questionable prospect. I think they would love G for the playoffs as their 3C , in fact he is a perfect fit, but best would get is a Chytil OR Kratsov and maybe a 2nd
- hfc355

If he gets them the cup, they could resign him.

Avs and Florida could also use a player like him. Probably less so for Tampa, Canes, Leafs...

CC and 4th .

for Kratsov 1st 7th
- hello it's me 2050

Now that's a reasonable deal both ways. Good for both teams. Flyers get a good prospect and a 1st for 6 week rental. Like it for Flyers and realistic

Luke had the "physicality". They saw him as a potential Jim Vandermeer.
- PT21

Can you go back to being Pandah.

If he gets them the cup, they could resign him.

Avs and Florida could also use a player like him. Probably less so for Tampa, Canes, Leafs...
- PT21

They would never resign him unless he takes 2M. He would be a 3C with them.

They would never resign him unless he takes 2M. He would be a 3C with them.
- hfc355

Depends... if he does really well and is key to bringing a cup to MSG, no way they let him walk. And Giroux might take a pay cut to stay there. He has made his money. A 2nd cup and we are talking HOF.

Can you go back to being Pandah.
- Angus4444

Aww Pho pho. You like me.

(Flagged by mistake. Typing on a smartphone is the worst!)

Because Kakko projections far exceed Foerster projections. Remember Kakko is playing from the get go on a star studded team. Foerster is nowhere near cracking a pretty poor team. Don't hold Kakko's youthful incompetence against him just because he is good enough to get a toe in the door!

And no, no, no. Flyers have traded young talent for help-me-now veterans. They never make the sort of educated, long range gamble a trade like this would involve.
- PT21

Foerster is 19 years old. It's pretty normal for a 19 year old to not be NHL ready. He's also injured if I'm not mistaken. He had a strong season as a 18 year old in the AHL. So the point that he is nowhere near cracking a pretty poor team is really moot.
What exactly makes this deal you propose educated? You label it a gamble. If that's what it is then they shouldn't make it. The Flyers are at a point where they shouldn't gamble.

I know but it 6 weeks of Giroux. Not giving up a 20 yr old kid who has been in league 3 yrs with his potential for 6 wks of G and a questionable prospect. I think they would love G for the playoffs as their 3C , in fact he is a perfect fit, but best would get is a Chytil OR Kratsov and maybe a 2nd
- hfc355

I agree. I don't see them moving Kapkko.

I know but it 6 weeks of Giroux. Not giving up a 20 yr old kid who has been in league 3 yrs with his potential for 6 wks of G and a questionable prospect. I think they would love G for the playoffs as their 3C , in fact he is a perfect fit, but best would get is a Chytil OR Kratsov and maybe a 2nd
- hfc355

A number of points. First, would Giroux play wing or center? We don't know what line he would play on. He's older but he's on par with Zbanajad and Giroux is better than Strome.

No it wasnt they had no choice if they wanted to keep Zibanejad . They could have kept him for this year but would have lost him for nothing after the season. They have young cheap wingers who will replace him
- hfc355

Sure they had a choice. They chose to acquire and resign Goodrow. Traded for Reaves. The Buchnevich trade itself was an awful trade. They could've fit him in moving forward. No doubt. 5.8M for Buchnevich is a steal.

Foerster is 19 years old. It's pretty normal for a 19 year old to not be NHL ready. He's also injured if I'm not mistaken. He had a strong season as a 18 year old in the AHL. So the point that he is nowhere near cracking a pretty poor team is really moot.
What exactly makes this deal you propose educated? You label it a gamble. If that's what it is then they shouldn't make it. The Flyers are at a point where they shouldn't gamble.
- MJL

Comparison was with Kakko not in general. Foerster had 2 training camps where he did not crack roster. Kakko did. Kakko has higher upside. JD250 disparagingly referred to Kakko's stats to say he did not like the trade. My whole point was, Kakko's current play should be comp[ared to Foester's current non-play. Advantage Kakko. Kakko's future play (projections) should be compared to Foester's future play (projections).Again, Adv Kakko.

EOFS!

I commend you for changing from being the resident Polyanna regarding the Flyer's future to being a critical cynic. Its still surreal for me to absorb the metamorphosis, frankly, after 15 years of reading you, but better late than never I guess.

Not making educated gambles, constantly resigning the best player on the roster, never daring to draft high because "there are no guarantees", massively overvaluing own draft picks, is the root of the deep seated intellectual mediocrity that has led to the current morass without end.

Look at the Rangers. AFter a highly successful 4 year run, during which they went to SCF, CF, won President's trophy - they decided that they would gut the team. They shipped out all vets and kept youth. That's a gamble. If it had gone belly up, fans would have complained that they should have just tinkered.

I salute them. If they win and have the ceremony at MSG, I hope their first home game is with us, so they can rub our noses in it.

Comparison was with Kakko not in general. Foerster had 2 training camps where he did not crack roster. Kakko did. Kakko has higher upside. JD250 disparagingly referred to Kakko's stats to say he did not like the trade. My whole point was, Kakko's current play should be comp
- PT21[ared to Foester's current non-play. Advantage Kakko. Kakko's future play (projections) should be compared to Foester's future play (projections).Again, Adv Kakko.

EOFS!

You're wrong in my opinion. There are many variable that come into a trade. I'm not JD250 and I haven't in any way implied that Foerster is on par with Kakko as a future talent. EOFS!

I commend you for changing from being the resident Polyanna regarding the Flyer's future to being a critical cynic. Its still surreal for me to absorb the metamorphosis, frankly, after 15 years of reading you, but better late than never I guess.


- PT21

This is a nice diversion attempt on your part. It's nice to no longer be considered the rubber stamp for the Flyers that I've been accused of being in the past. You ignorantly think that you and I are on the same page. We're not. I'm not a cynic of many of their players. I'm a cynic of upper management and their current course of action.

Not making educated gambles, constantly resigning the best player on the roster, never daring to draft high because "there are no guarantees", massively overvaluing own draft picks, is the root of the deep seated intellectual mediocrity that has led to the current morass without end.


- PT21

In other words, their unwillingness to tank. Re-signing Couturier was absolutely the correct decision. You have it completely wrong about what is the root of the issue. The root of the mediocrity is their desire to always have to go for it. To always think they're in a position to win.

Look at the Rangers. AFter a highly successful 4 year run, during which they went to SCF, CF, won President's trophy - they decided that they would gut the team. They shipped out all vets and kept youth. That's a gamble. If it had gone belly up, fans would have complained that they should have just tinkered.

I salute them. If they win and have the ceremony at MSG, I hope their first home game is with us, so they can rub our noses in it.
- PT21

That's not correct. The Rangers did not ship out all vets. The kept a few. Traded for some vets also.The Rangers got really lucky that a couple of really good players only wanted to play with them. Otherwise, they'd be in the middle of the pack on the bubble.

honestly for as bad as comcast is, its a fitting curse of mediocrity for you guys.

absolutely ridiculous.

Watching a little of the Cats/Flames game on NHL Network. Four goals and lots of skirmishes! The Cats are right there with the Avs as far as their ability to play exciting hockey and yet their building is empty. Buttman needs to stop with all these sun belt teams and redo that worthless TV contract he just signed off on for the next 7 years.

A number of points. First, would Giroux play wing or center? We don't know what line he would play on. He's older but he's on par with Zbanajad and Giroux is better than Strome.
- MJL

Most likely be their 3C where they need help and be there to take D zone faceoffs. Could see him playing some wing depending on how kakko and Lafreniere do the 2nd half but there need is 3C...the Giroux of today is nowhere near the player Zibanejad is and they are not breaking up Panarin and Strome on the 2nd line. The G of tdy is not better then Strome either