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hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 4 @ 12:53 PM ET
It’s tough not to be down on the guy because he has played less than a handful of games this year and he had the injury history, albeit some odd ones at times but he still gets hurt a lot. Most disappointing part is it looked like we finally had another perfect fit on that top pair with Provy. Niskanen retires out of nowhere and then this guy can’t even get onto the ice. Provy is bad luck huh.
- ClaudeFather

what is disappointing is "Provy" needs someone to carry him to make him look better. Doesn't look like he will be the one to elevate his partner.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 4 @ 12:54 PM ET

Lived years in a climate that never got hot and years where it never got cold. I prefer the cold and really miss snow. If we are just speaking of sleeping temperature, give me the too hot over the too cold any night. Too hot and I can still pass out, but it is the worst to shiver all night—no sleep.

Need the two points, ugly or whatever.

Let’s go Flyers!

jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 4 @ 12:56 PM ET
I think I ends with surgery…but I guess we’ll see. Not a very good look for Fletch’s prize acquisition.
- landros 2

I don't think its Fletcher's fault, I think he had to make that trade and I'm glad he did. Also, I don't blame Ellis, I'm sure he did nothing intentional to have this happen to him. I am starting to get concerned about the Flyers medical staff however.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 4 @ 12:56 PM ET
There have been a bunch of studies about exercise and diet recently. The body adjusts to the current needs. If you are exercising and losing weight and eating less, the body slows down its energy requirements (BMR).

Which means, once you stop eating less and just have a normal (maintenance) diet and if you keep exercising, the body takes times to adjust. You end up putting much of the weight back on because the body still thinks that because your lifestyle hasn't changed, your energy needs also haven't.

Another thing is, the brain takes time to process stomach 'fullness.' By the time it tells you you are full, you have overeaten. If you stop when you are still a slight tad hungry, it will tell you are actually full 15 mins later.

- PT21

or drink more water
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 12:56 PM ET
Lived years in a climate that never got hot and years where it never got cold. I prefer the cold and really miss snow. If we are just speaking of sleeping temperature, give me the too hot over the too cold any night. Too hot and I can still pass out, but it is the worst to shiver all night—no sleep.

Need the two points, ugly or whatever.

Let’s go Flyers!

- NC Flyers Fan


Opposite for me. I have central air and didn't turn it off until some time in November. If it's just the slight bit warm, I can't sleep. If I could, I'd open the window some in my bedroom in the winter.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 4 @ 12:57 PM ET
what is disappointing is "Provy" needs someone to carry him to make him look better. Doesn't look like he will be the one to elevate his partner.
- hello it's me 2050

The guys played how many games now, he’s not Hedman, you just realizing this? He plays 25 minutes a night for the past 5 years and his most consistent partner is a guy like Braun, playing the toughest assignment night in and night out. He should have a better partner.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 4 @ 12:57 PM ET
or drink more water
- 2Real



Right.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 12:59 PM ET
I don't think its Fletcher's fault, I think he had to make that trade and I'm glad he did. Also, I don't blame Ellis, I'm sure he did nothing intentional to have this happen to him. I am starting to get concerned about the Flyers medical staff however.
- jd250


He didn't have to make that move but he was mandated to make moves to improve the team. Flyers management made one of the biggest boneheaded decisions a team can make. This is what happens when you force yourself to make moves. You just search and find the best deal you think you can make. Good smart teams and GM's don't make moves just to make moves. They wait patiently and make the right moves. There are plenty of dumb teams and dumb GM's out there. Flyers fit into that category. Smart teams take advantage of that and of teams cap issues.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 4 @ 1:00 PM ET
Lived years in a climate that never got hot and years where it never got cold. I prefer the cold and really miss snow. If we are just speaking of sleeping temperature, give me the too hot over the too cold any night. Too hot and I can still pass out, but it is the worst to shiver all night—no sleep.

Need the two points, ugly or whatever.

Let’s go Flyers!

- NC Flyers Fan

Normally I would say the Flyers will have had little chance in this game, but with Getzlaf and Zegras out it levels the ice a bit and gives the Flyers a decent chance.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 1:00 PM ET
The guys played how many games now, he’s not Hedman, you just realizing this? He plays 25 minutes a night for the past 5 years and his most consistent partner is a guy like Braun, playing the toughest assignment night in and night out. He should have a better partner.
- ClaudeFather


Exactly.
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Jan 4 @ 1:00 PM ET
Sir, I live to be your servant for entertainment.

Make sure to carry some marmite with that tee shirt.

- PT21

My favourite borscht additive. With a side of poutine. Makes the summer heat BEARable.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 4 @ 1:03 PM ET
The guys played how many games now, he’s not Hedman, you just realizing this? He plays 25 minutes a night for the past 5 years and his most consistent partner is a guy like Braun, playing the toughest assignment night in and night out. He should have a better partner.
- ClaudeFather

Plays 25 by default. They have no one else.

He is not a true #1 dman is all. He is what he is at this point.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 4 @ 1:04 PM ET
He didn't have to make that move but he was mandated to make moves to improve the team. Flyers management made one of the biggest boneheaded decisions a team can make. This is what happens when you force yourself to make moves. You just search and find the best deal you think you can make. Good smart teams and GM's don't make moves just to make moves. They wait patiently and make the right moves. There are plenty of dumb teams and dumb GM's out there. Flyers fit into that category. Smart teams take advantage of that and of teams cap issues.
- MJL

I don't know, this trade would be hard for any GM to pass up. Ellis is one of the best RHS defenseman in the league and was signed to a reasonable contract and cap hit given the player he is. And the Flyers gave up, what turns out to be, very little in return. I can't see any GM turning away from this deal. Now if you want to say it was too good to be true and Nashville knew at the time Ellis was going to go through this season injured then I can see the pause, but even then I might have done that deal because I do believe Ellis is going to come back and play well for this team for years to come.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 4 @ 1:04 PM ET
The guys played how many games now, he’s not Hedman, you just realizing this? He plays 25 minutes a night for the past 5 years and his most consistent partner is a guy like Braun, playing the toughest assignment night in and night out. He should have a better partner.
- ClaudeFather



That's not what he wrote though. He said essentially that Provy is not a true #1.

Hedman partnered with Rutta/Cernak/ Sergachev/ last year. Letang partnered with similar random pieces in their 3rd cup run. True # 1s don't need a partner better than themselves to post a Corsi better than the 46% odd Provy is currently rocking (last I checked)
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 4 @ 1:04 PM ET
Exactly.

- MJL

Are you working on the 5 year plan or what? Many here would really like to hear your thoughts on how they should proceed.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 4 @ 1:09 PM ET
That's not what he wrote though. He said essentially that Provy is not a true #1.

Hedman partnered with Rutta/Cernak/ Sergachev/ last year. Letang partnered with similar random pieces in their 3rd cup run. True # 1s don't need a partner better than themselves to post a Corsi better than the 46% odd Provy is currently rocking (last I checked)

- PT21

What he wrote is that Provy needs someone to carry him, which is entirely false and asinine. When partnered with an adequate defenseman he is a very good player. He’s not victor Hedman, you can go ahead and call him a crappy #1 Dman for all I care it makes no difference to me.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 1:09 PM ET
I don't know, this trade would be hard for any GM to pass up. Ellis is one of the best RHS defenseman in the league and was signed to a reasonable contract and cap hit given the player he is. And the Flyers gave up, what turns out to be, very little in return. I can't see any GM turning away from this deal. Now if you want to say it was too good to be true and Nashville knew at the time Ellis was going to go through this season injured then I can see the pause, but even then I might have done that deal because I do believe Ellis is going to come back and play well for this team for years to come.
- jd250


Really, so why didn't another team offer up a better return for a legit top pairing RH defenseman? Do you know how hard that kind of player is to get? In today's NHL with the salary cap and how big a factor that is, just looking at deals from a pure hockey standpoint is no longer valid. It's obvious and has been obvious why Nashville made the deal and why another team wouldn't beat the offer.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 4 @ 1:10 PM ET
My favourite borscht additive. With a side of poutine. Makes the summer heat BEARable.
- Bendecko



I like all 3. The first lightly smeared on well toasted Rye (I know that's not traditional). The second the cold summer version, with sour cream and dill. The 3rd at La Banquise.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 4 @ 1:11 PM ET
Plays 25 by default. They have no one else.

He is not a true #1 dman is all. He is what he is at this point.

- hello it's me 2050

So what’s wrong with saying he should have a better partner? No once cares that he’s not the best #1 Dman, this is some weird slant fans get enamored with for no reason.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 4 @ 1:12 PM ET
What he wrote is that Provy needs someone to carry him, which is entirely false and asinine. When partnered with an adequate defenseman he is a very good player. He’s not victor Hedman, you can go ahead and call him a crappy #1 Dman for all I care it makes no difference to me.
- ClaudeFather


Ok fair enough. Needing an adequate partner is not the same as needing a better partner.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 1:12 PM ET
That's not what he wrote though. He said essentially that Provy is not a true #1.

Hedman partnered with Rutta/Cernak/ Sergachev/ last year. Letang partnered with similar random pieces in their 3rd cup run. True # 1s don't need a partner better than themselves to post a Corsi better than the 46% odd Provy is currently rocking (last I checked)

- PT21


Not the case. There are some defenseman in the league that can carry and elevate a lesser player. Not every #1 NHL defenseman is created equal. Cernak and Sergachev are both really good players and are significantly better than any defenseman the Flyers have other than Provorov.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 4 @ 1:13 PM ET
Not the case. There are some defenseman in the league that can carry and elevate a lesser player. Not every #1 NHL defenseman is created equal. Cernak and Sergachev are both really good players and are significantly better than any defenseman the Flyers have other than Provorov.
- MJL


What about Rutta?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 4 @ 1:13 PM ET
Ok fair enough. Needing an adequate partner is not the same as needing a better partner.
- PT21

Justin Braun is best served in a secondary role at this stage of his career, he is not an adequate partner.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 4 @ 1:13 PM ET
What about Rutta?

- PT21


What about him?
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jan 4 @ 1:21 PM ET
Justin Braun is best served in a secondary role at this stage of his career, he is not an adequate partner.
- ClaudeFather


Not for the first pairing. On what other teams would Braun play 1RD? Not having Ellis hurts the whole team, but I can’t understand the planning that allows this to be. Why do most think Sanheim and Risto should not be separated? Is that really most effective for the team?
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