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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 6 @ 9:24 AM ET
I don't exercise blind foolish faith. What reason is there to trust Fletcher? However, it's more about upper management than Fletcher
- MJL

I think Fletcher is a good hockey guy and I think Brent Flahr is a very good talent evaluator and drafter. By upper management I think that is Dave Scott, and I really don't know what he thinks, but I think he will do what Fletcher tells him because he does not come across to me as a person that knows the game.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 6 @ 9:25 AM ET
Thank you, sir.
- PT21


The stop part is the part that you need to heed to.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 6 @ 9:25 AM ET
What direction should they go? What would be your plan?

Would you look to move Ivan and/or Sanheim?

- hello it's me 2050



I don't see how they can draft high with the players they have under contract for the near future. Unless there is a repeat of huge injuries across the board, a line up of Couts, Hayes, Provorov, Atkinson, Sanheim, Bee, and Hart keeps them in the middle of the pack range for the foreseeable future. Even with Giroux perhaps gone.

The only other option is what NYR did last few years and what Boston did 10-15 years ago. Massive churning of personnel. Do the Rangers have a singe player now who was over 25 about 4 years ago when they began their retool and who stayed on their roster? I mean, that's an epic retool.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 6 @ 9:26 AM ET
I think Fletcher is a good hockey guy and I think Brent Flahr is a very good talent evaluator and drafter. By upper management I think that is Dave Scott, and I really don't know what he thinks, but I think he will do what Fletcher tells him because he does not come across to me as a person that knows the game.
- jd250


Have you been paying attention at all? We know what Dave Scott thinks. By his own words. We also know that it is Scott and Holmgren driving the current approach of the team.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 6 @ 9:27 AM ET
That's not correct.

They are close to 100% vaxed but there is no booster policy for the NHL, I am pretty sure. Fletch said "a good number of Flyers" are boosted. That's pretty ambiguous.

If you are just vaxed but not boosted, your protection from omicron infection is not very good at all. However, severe diseases protection is pretty high (70%) and death even more so.

If you are vaxed and boosted otoh, protection rises to 75% odd, and severe disease protection to 90%+.

The 75% boosted protection may seem low, because 25% chance of getting the disease is quite high. But this is far higher than say the Flu vaccine, which only gives 50% protection, and that too, only for a year.

- PT21

I am only going to say one thing and then not reply any more. There is no such thing as a Flu vaccine! They call it a Flu shot for a reason, because its not a vaccine. Again, go to the dictionary and look up the definition of vaccine, and then look up the definition of immunity which is what a vaccine is supposed to provide and then ask yourself if this conversation makes any sense. I'm done now.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 6 @ 9:29 AM ET
Have you been paying attention at all? We know what Dave Scott thinks. By his own words. We also know that it is Scott and Holmgren driving the current approach of the team.
- MJL

Ok, that was like what, 2 years ago? What does Dave Scott think now? Also, how involved do you think Homer really is? Have you seen him lately? I think its Fletcher's show to be honest.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 6 @ 9:29 AM ET
I think Fletcher is a good hockey guy and I think Brent Flahr is a very good talent evaluator and drafter. By upper management I think that is Dave Scott, and I really don't know what he thinks, but I think he will do what Fletcher tells him because he does not come across to me as a person that knows the game.
- jd250

Fletcher has accomplished nada hi whole career. He is an NHL lifer who has done squat.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 6 @ 9:35 AM ET
Ok, that was like what, 2 years ago? What does Dave Scott think now? Also, how involved do you think Homer really is? Have you seen him lately? I think its Fletcher's show to be honest.
- jd250


Nothing has changed from what Scott and Holmgren mandated to Fletcher. This organization is too out of touch with the modern NHL.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 6 @ 9:36 AM ET
Nothing has changed from what Scott and Holmgren mandated to Fletcher. This organization is too out of touch with the modern NHL.
- MJL

Agreed
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 6 @ 9:37 AM ET
I am only going to say one thing and then not reply any more. There is no such thing as a Flu vaccine! They call it a Flu shot for a reason, because its not a vaccine. Again, go to the dictionary and look up the definition of vaccine, and then look up the definition of immunity which is what a vaccine is supposed to provide and then ask yourself if this conversation makes any sense. I'm done now.
- jd250


https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm

The "shot" refers to the fact that it uses a needle, and it's an inoculation/injection.

My god, man. My god.



Joe Nardone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Medicine Hat
Joined: 07.05.2018

Jan 6 @ 9:41 AM ET
Have you been paying attention at all? We know what Dave Scott thinks. By his own words. We also know that it is Scott and Holmgren driving the current approach of the team.
- MJL


Supposedly Homer is out of hockey opps and has been for a while. The Fletcher hire did reek of Clarke giving input, but for the most part the old blame the old school Flyers and their way of thinking is probably an out of date line of thinking or criticism.

As far as Scott is concerned I def think he oked Fletchers activity last off-season. Wish one of those two would have been more anxious two years ago in replacing Nisk. Maybe they were in on Pietrangelo and did not have any other cards to play.
jsh139
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly 'burbs, PA
Joined: 06.22.2017

Jan 6 @ 9:44 AM ET
Let's go Flyantoms!

Gonna be an interesting game tonight, that's for sure.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 6 @ 9:45 AM ET
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm

The "shot" refers to the fact that it uses a needle, and it's an inoculation/injection.

My god, man. My god.

- PT21


So why don't they refer to the Covid vaccine as the Covid shot?

My god, man. My god.
Joe Nardone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Medicine Hat
Joined: 07.05.2018

Jan 6 @ 9:45 AM ET
I don't see how they can draft high with the players they have under contract for the near future. Unless there is a repeat of huge injuries across the board, a line up of Couts, Hayes, Provorov, Atkinson, Sanheim, Bee, and Hart keeps them in the middle of the pack range for the foreseeable future. Even with Giroux perhaps gone.

The only other option is what NYR did last few years and what Boston did 10-15 years ago. Massive churning of personnel. Do the Rangers have a singe player now who was over 25 about 4 years ago when they began their retool and who stayed on their roster? I mean, that's an epic retool.

- PT21


Panarin and Fox will expedite any retool. Norris trophy winner and other than Mcd prob the best offensive player (at least playmaker) in the league.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 6 @ 9:46 AM ET
Supposedly Homer is out of hockey opps and has been for a while. The Fletcher hire did reek of Clarke giving input, but for the most part the old blame the old school Flyers and their way of thinking is probably an out of date line of thinking or criticism.

As far as Scott is concerned I def think he oked Fletchers activity last off-season. Wish one of those two would have been more anxious two years ago in replacing Nisk. Maybe they were in on Pietrangelo and did not have any other cards to play.

- Joe Nardone

disagree. Look at the how the organization nd team are constructed. Look at their actions.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 6 @ 9:46 AM ET
Supposedly Homer is out of hockey opps and has been for a while. The Fletcher hire did reek of Clarke giving input, but for the most part the old blame the old school Flyers and their way of thinking is probably an out of date line of thinking or criticism.

As far as Scott is concerned I def think he oked Fletchers activity last off-season. Wish one of those two would have been more anxious two years ago in replacing Nisk. Maybe they were in on Pietrangelo and did not have any other cards to play.

- Joe Nardone


What evidence is there that the Flyers no longer operate under the old school ways to suggest that it is an out of date criticism? We'll start there.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 6 @ 9:46 AM ET
Nothing has changed from what Scott and Holmgren mandated to Fletcher. This organization is too out of touch with the modern NHL.
- MJL

That I agree with this in terms of Scott and Homer, but I don't think that about Fletcher and Flahr, I think they get the game and know what they need to do. The question is really whether or not Scott buys in, because I really think Homer is out of it now.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 6 @ 9:47 AM ET
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/keyfacts.htm

The "shot" refers to the fact that it uses a needle, and it's an inoculation/injection.

My god, man. My god.

- PT21


tHe cDc iS a bUNcH oF hAckS!!!!1
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 6 @ 9:48 AM ET
tHe cDc iS a bUNcH oF hAckS!!!!1
- Scoob

wow such cutting edge with upper/ lower case choice
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jan 6 @ 9:49 AM ET
So why don't they refer to the Covid vaccine as the Covid shot?

My god, man. My god.

- MJL

See .. he's sucking us in .. he's sucking us in ..
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 6 @ 9:49 AM ET
That I agree with this in terms of Scott and Homer, but I don't think that about Fletcher and Flahr, I think they get the game and know what they need to do. The question is really whether or not Scott buys in, because I really think Homer is out of it now.
- jd250


Fletcher was a GM for 9 years in Minnesota and now going on 3 years here. There is no evidence that Fletcher can succeed in building a contending team. What Fletcher did this past off season, says the opposite. Holmgren is not involved day to day, but his influence over the team and Scott, is still present.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 6 @ 9:50 AM ET
See .. he's sucking us in .. he's sucking us in ..
- jd250


Yes, I know and I know better but I just couldn't resist. Expect the long winded blowply to be coming shortly.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jan 6 @ 9:54 AM ET
So why don't they refer to the Covid vaccine as the Covid shot?

My god, man. My god.

- MJL


Because it is new, and the informal usage of "shot" hasn't crept in yet. And because there are several different kind of vaccines, and "the Covid shot" won't make sense.

All vaccines are shot. But not all shots are vaccines.

There are many vaccines that have only partial effectiveness even when they are administered and even then require frequent renewal. Flu vaccine is one at 50%.

Pneumonia vaccines have even lower effectiveness than Flu. But they are still required for all immigrants to the US.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jan 6 @ 9:54 AM ET
See .. he's sucking us in .. he's sucking us in ..
- jd250


Yes, I know and I know better but I just couldn't resist. Expect the long winded blowply to be coming shortly.
- MJL


Look at you two bonding! lol
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 6 @ 9:55 AM ET
Because it is new, and the informal usage of "shot" hasn't crept in yet. And because there are several different kind of vaccines, and "the Covid shot" won't make sense.

All vaccines are shot. But not all shots are vaccines.

There are many vaccines that have only partial effectiveness even when they are administered and even then require frequent renewal. Flu vaccine is one at 50%.

Pneumonia vaccines have even lower effectiveness than Flu. But they are still required for all immigrants to the US.

- PT21


No, that's not correct.
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