Sir, please don't don't add the royal prerogative to your shortcomings.The "we" you refer to is the wee of intellect.

As I have mentioned many times before, any time, and I mean any time, I notice the resident clowns of this board engaging in the dangerous fantasy musings of the comically and criminally ignorant, there will be a rebuttal. That's the way it is going to be. There won't however be a first strike, and there hasn't for a very long time now.

Now, what is your opinion about Frost?


- PT21

Just to say in regards to Frost and all the young players and draft picks in general for the Flyers that it seems to me that other teams around the league play there young guys and have success with them. I say play them. Put guys like York in there full time. Surely him alone brings more to the table than Seeler and the other 7th guys. Speaking of Frost, the guy has talent. Put him in and leave him in.

Because it is new, and the informal usage of "shot" hasn't crept in yet. And because there are several different kind of vaccines, and "the Covid shot" won't make sense.

All vaccines are shot. But not all shots are vaccines.

There are many vaccines that have only partial effectiveness even when they are administered and even then require frequent renewal. Flu vaccine is one at 50%.

Pneumonia vaccines have even lower effectiveness than Flu. But they are still required for all immigrants to the US.
- PT21

Nobody and I mean nobody is getting a vaccine shot for anything at our southern border.

It's relevant to discuss the NHL covid policy and the effects of players missing. It is however not relevant to discuss Covid independent of hockey.
- MJL

you do not make the rules Cliff

This explains a lot!

We have been asking you to move on for quite a while now, but apparently to you this means that people should not be swayed by us fanatics and instead only be swayed by you! Let's agree to keep it to hockey on this forum and then there are no issues. I would even want to go back to your drafting odds arguments ... never thought I would say that :-)
- jd250

I wonder what it does explain?

Nvm. That discussion has no public utility and will rapidly become petty.

More to your point, I wonder who it was today who brought up off-the-chart stupidity and hockey-irrelevance to this blog to spark my digressions?

Hmm....

Still has a 9 goal lead on Risto at ES GF-GA even though they play together 80% of the time.
- Feanor

There’s 9 other guys on the ice at a time man. I’d love to see how many were directly led by one or the other.

Just to say in regards to Frost and all the young players and draft picks in general for the Flyers that it seems to me that other teams around the league play there young guys and have success with them. I say play them. Put guys like York in there full time. Surely him alone brings more to the table than Seeler and the other 7th guys. Speaking of Frost, the guy has talent. Put him in and leave him in.
- Hubby

I was just thinking the other day. This kid Jesper Bratt skates pretty well. Doing pretty well too. 6th round pick. Troy Terry is almost a ppg. He is a 5th round pick.

Why do the gods of late round drafting success hate us so very much? Don't give me Carter Hart. Goalies are so random, that they are often drafted late.

Just to say in regards to Frost and all the young players and draft picks in general for the Flyers that it seems to me that other teams around the league play there young guys and have success with them. I say play them. Put guys like York in there full time. Surely him alone brings more to the table than Seeler and the other 7th guys. Speaking of Frost, the guy has talent. Put him in and leave him in.
- Hubby

Frost made the team last year but unfortunately, he was injured early and missed the season. He did need time to play a little in the AHL after missing a full season. The biggest issue in my opinion, the Flyers can do is improve the team game. They don't play a sound structure with strong fundamentals often enough. Last year was a perfect example of a dysfunctional environment for young players to break in. More of the same this year. York should be breaking in on the 3rd pair. Injuries are a part of it and causing players not be slotted correctly. Stop asking young players that aren't capable of it to be the saviors. For example, I have no doubt that Provorov would be a better player today if he hadn't have had to be the teams #1 defenseman since he was 19.

I don't expect anyone to listen to me. Rather, I do what I can to try and not have anyone reading this stuff be even partly swayed by guys like you.

I am a full time research fellow in an ivy league university who was working on epidemiological Covid data till the grant expired November 2020. But that is not relevant at all. What I say here is always mainstream science. It is not my opinion. It is the opinion of civilization.

I understand many of you prefer the intoxicating fumes of life in your fantasy minds. I sincerely support the right to your choice. I don't spend one second of my life bemoaning it. My attempts, even with a low % of success, are entirely devoted to reminding others that there is another world out there.

Please do let me know if I can clear anything else for you. Now, just a reminder: you were banned last time not for politics or profanity, but for endlessly taunting me. This time, the ban will be longer.

Shall we move on?
- PT21

How’s the lawsuit coming along. Taunt taunt. How do you know the ban will be longer ? So when someone gives it back to you you call it taunting? You’re weak in the head.

That happens over a period of time. It is cumulative.

Fletcher hasn't been here 3 years yet he has traded one first round pick. Three second round picks and one third round pick. As well as Patrick and Myers.
- MJL

But moving forward he has his 1st round picks, just not his 2nd round picks this year and next. However if he does what I hope he does and trade G, Risto and others, I think he can stockpile more picks over the next 2 drafts. If Fletcher does not go in this direction, he will lose me as a supporter.

I wonder what it does explain?

Nvm. That discussion has no public utility and will rapidly become petty.

More to your point, I wonder who it was today who brought up off-the-chart stupidity and hockey-irrelevance to this blog to spark my digressions?

Hmm....
- PT21[/quote
30 for taunting

Yandle is about to get a mark of "THE" Iron Man.
HE will be interviewed relentlessly.
Will anyone ask, 'Did you deserve this?'
Many here would.

I was just thinking the other day. This kid Jesper Bratt skates pretty well. Doing pretty well too. 6th round pick. Troy Terry is almost a ppg. He is a 5th round pick.

Why do the gods of late round drafting success hate us so very much? Don't give me Carter Hart. Goalies are so random, that they are often drafted late.
- PT21

Oskar Linblom was well on his way as a 5th round pick before being set back by cancer. Gostisbehere was also a pretty good player as a 3rd round pick. The key is to use your picks. The more swings you take, the more chance of a hit you have. Flyers have dealt 3 2nd rounders in the last 3 years. For what?

I wonder what it does explain?

Nvm. That discussion has no public utility and will rapidly become petty.

More to your point, I wonder who it was today who brought up off-the-chart stupidity and hockey-irrelevance to this blog to spark my digressions?

Hmm....
- PT21

Hmmm .. good question :-)

But moving forward he has his 1st round picks, just not his 2nd round picks this year and next. However if he does what I hope he does and trade G, Risto and others, I think he can stockpile more picks over the next 2 drafts. If Fletcher does not go in this direction, he will lose me as a supporter.
- jd250

They do have an opportunity to stockpile picks. However what are going to do with them? What are they going to do with the cap space? Do you think they're going to sit on it? Not use the cap space in free agency? Not use the draft picks as trade capital? They're going to reverse course now? I'll believe it when I see it.

I was just thinking the other day. This kid Jesper Bratt skates pretty well. Doing pretty well too. 6th round pick. Troy Terry is almost a ppg. He is a 5th round pick.

Why do the gods of late round drafting success hate us so very much? Don't give me Carter Hart. Goalies are so random, that they are often drafted late.
- PT21

Yes, this is what I was most critical of Hextall about. He is referred to has a draft Guru yet not one of this late round picks have turned into anything. But as you say the odds of late round picks turning into a great player like Kucherov or Point is very low versus drafting a player in the top 5. Still the Flyers have just not hit on any later round picks recently. And don't give me Lindblom. Yes he has had bad luck but he is what he is, and that is nothing more than a 4th liner unfortunately.

Glad the games on ESPN+, now I get to save myself from watching them getting their backsides handed to them.


This new ESPN deal has been such a huge gain for the NHL. Never have I seen so much hockey. Not.

You're disconnected here. Remember when Ed Snider mandated to Paul Holmgren to fix the goaltending issue? Snider did not tell Holmgren which specific moves to make. He did not tell Holmgren to trade Bobrovsky and then sign Bryzgalov. Neither does upper management ever tell a GM which players to draft.



Hextall didn't have anything to do with this mess. He had the right approach and it takes time. The Flyers absolutely are archaic in the way they operate. It's why they have issues developing players. Hextall was attempting to change everything in a dysfunctional organization. They wouldn't let him. He offended the alumni. The influence of Holmgren and Clarke is absolutely still present.
- MJL

Hey no one loves hexy the player and person and even his non gm work here as much as I do. I met the guy and he is as genuine and intelligent as they come. However, he was absolutely control freak here. He was nuts. He had severe management issues. He could not delegate. He could not manage people. He did not trust people. He surrounded himself w yes men or a ton of inexperience. Looking at his coaches.

On a hockey level I think he was ok and prob still is, but there is a reason the Pens aligned him they way they did in his current role.

To be clear Hexy had 100% control and then when it was pretty obvious his 5 year plan needed 5 to 55 more years it just was not worth it anymore. The control freak had to go.

He holds a tremendous amount of culpability for the product we see today. Really more than anyone. You can’t blame the old regime for Hexys faults other than of course tossing some shade Scott’s way.

You can’t blame the old regime for Fletchers faults other than of course tossing some shade Scott’s way.

The blueprint for Hexys Flyers and Fletchers Flyers has 0 to do with Clarke and Homer. Watch some videos of Homer’s interviews. Dude is out of Hickey opps.

W all that said, Hexy will always be a heart and soul flyer in my eyes. Wish his GM tenure here was a success. Sometimes you need to be fired to mature..

Yes, this is what I was most critical of Hextall about. He is referred to has a draft Guru yet not one of this late round picks have turned into anything. But as you say the odds of late round picks turning into a great player like Kucherov or Point is very low versus drafting a player in the top 5. Still the Flyers have just not hit on any later round picks recently. And don't give me Lindblom. Yes he has had bad luck but he is what he is, and that is nothing more than a 4th liner unfortunately.
- jd250

Hextall drafted 5 players after the first round that made it to the NHL. Allison is he could stay healthy, would likely be a 6th.

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Flyers lines/pairs at morning skate

Farabee-Laughton-Atkinson
Brassard-Frost-van Riemsdyk
Bunnaman-Hayes-Willman
Lindblom-Brown-MacEwen

York-Braun
Zamula-Ristolainen
Yandle-Connauton

Oskar Linblom was well on his way as a 5th round pick before being set back by cancer. Gostisbehere was also a pretty good player as a 3rd round pick. The key is to use your picks. The more swings you take, the more chance of a hit you have. Flyers have dealt 3 2nd rounders in the last 3 years. For what?
- MJL

At best, the jury is still out on OL. Ditto with Ghost. Both have been discussed heavily here, so no point in repeating why. Let me just summarize by saying there is a lot of up and down in their production.

Now look at the trajectories of Bratt and Terry. Steady improvement in ppg production. Their careers, at least at this stage, seem to have much better foundations.

Frost made the team last year but unfortunately, he was injured early and missed the season. He did need time to play a little in the AHL after missing a full season. The biggest issue in my opinion, the Flyers can do is improve the team game. They don't play a sound structure with strong fundamentals often enough. Last year was a perfect example of a dysfunctional environment for young players to break in. More of the same this year. York should be breaking in on the 3rd pair. Injuries are a part of it and causing players not be slotted correctly. Stop asking young players that aren't capable of it to be the saviors. For example, I have no doubt that Provorov would be a better player today if he hadn't have had to be the teams #1 defenseman since he was 19.
- MJL

Structure, fundamentals, preparation and playing with heart and tenacity. Isn't that coaching. Should Yeo be replaced or given more time. I know it is cost prohibitive as Vigneault is still being paid as will Yeo if he is moved aside back to assistant. Throw in the injuries and covid, hard to assess but minus the skill, the above can be coached.

Hey no one loves hexy the player and person and even his non gm work here. I met the guy and he is as genuine and intelligent as they come. However, he was absolutely control freak here. He was nuts. He had severe management issues. He could not delegate. He could not manage people. He did not trust people. He surrounded himself w yes men or a ton of inexperience. Looking at his coaches.


- Joe Nardone

Here is the deal. It is obvious that this organization is dysfunctional. It has had not had any real success in how long? Hextall was completely correct to become controlling and to try and change how the team acts across the board. 100%. The old guard wouldn't allow it. They need that change. It's a real shame that they interrupted it and didn't have the insight that it needed to happen. It's just more of the same now and the results are appropriate.

On a hockey level I think he was ok and prob still is, but there is a reason the Pens aligned him they way they did in his current role.

To be clear Hexy had 100% control and then when it was pretty obvious his 5 year plan needed 5 to 55 more years it just was not worth it anymore. The control freak had to go.

He holds a tremendous amount of culpability for the product we see today. Really more than anyone. You can’t blame the old regime for Hexys faults other than of course tossing some shade Scott’s way.

You can’t blame the old regime for Fletchers faults other than of course tossing some shade Scott’s way.

The blueprint for Hexys Flyers and Fletchers Flyers has 0 to do with Clarke and Homer. Watch some videos of Homer’s interviews. Dude is out of Hickey opps.
- Joe Nardone

Hextall doesn't hold any culpability. He drafted solid talent, cleaned up the salary cap and built the prospect base up. There should always be more than one guy in the hockey ops department. It was a huge mistake to give Fletcher the whole ball of wax. A huge mistake.

You fail to realize that Holmgren does not have to be in the day to day hockey operations to still have his influence present. He clearly influenced Scott and their mandate to become relevant and go back to trying to win now, is still clearly present. This organization needs an enema from top to bottom.

Structure, fundamentals, preparation and playing with heart and tenacity. Isn't that coaching. Should Yeo be replaced or given more time. I know it is cost prohibitive as Vigneault is still being paid as will Yeo if he is moved aside back to assistant. Throw in the injuries and covid, hard to assess but minus the skill, the above can be coached.
- Hubby

Absolutely it's coaching. Which is why I advocated for Vigneault to be fired. In full disclosure, I also advocated for them to hire him. Dave Hakstol got more out of teams with far less talent.

At best, the jury is still out on OL. Ditto with Ghost. Both have been discussed heavily here, so no point in repeating why. Let me just summarize by saying there is a lot of up and down in their production.

Now look at the trajectories of Bratt and Terry. Steady improvement in ppg production. Their careers, at least at this stage, seem to have much better foundations.
- PT21

The jury is not out on Gostisbehere. He is a solid NHL offensive defenseman. Look at every young player on this team. What player isn't up and down? Is it the players or is it the environment?

I watched pitt last night and they were flying. Even they can hold their own and stay within 3 goals it’ll be epic.
- Hextall271

It's going to take 60 minutes of the Flyers not committing a penalty to be in it. Both the PP and PK for the Pens are scorching hot.