Structure, fundamentals, preparation and playing with heart and tenacity. Isn't that coaching. Should Yeo be replaced or given more time. I know it is cost prohibitive as Vigneault is still being paid as will Yeo if he is moved aside back to assistant. Throw in the injuries and covid, hard to assess but minus the skill, the above can be coached.
- Hubby

A lot of variables affecting the Flyers this year but not the Flyers heart that I watched for the last 50 years. The 60 minute effort just isn't there. If you can have a look at game 1 of the 1985 finals. Flyers won 4-1 although didn't win another game. That's heart and tenacity. The Oilers were smothered. That's my Flyers I know although I haven't seen them in a long long time. This is the effort we all should expect.

Frost made the team last year but unfortunately, he was injured early and missed the season. He did need time to play a little in the AHL after missing a full season. The biggest issue in my opinion, the Flyers can do is improve the team game. They don't play a sound structure with strong fundamentals often enough. Last year was a perfect example of a dysfunctional environment for young players to break in. More of the same this year. York should be breaking in on the 3rd pair. Injuries are a part of it and causing players not be slotted correctly. Stop asking young players that aren't capable of it to be the saviors. For example, I have no doubt that Provorov would be a better player today if he hadn't have had to be the teams #1 defenseman since he was 19.
- MJL

So Saint Ronnie failed him.

Hextall drafted 5 players after the first round that made it to the NHL. Allison is he could stay healthy, would likely be a 6th.
- MJL

Now go compare him to other Gm's during his tenure to see what they did drafting wise.

Saint Ronnie is an average andy in terms of drafting.

Here is the deal. It is obvious that this organization is dysfunctional. It has had not had any real success in how long? Hextall was completely correct to become controlling and to try and change how the team acts across the board. 100%. The old guard wouldn't allow it. They need that change. It's a real shame that they interrupted it and didn't have the insight that it needed to happen. It's just more of the same now and the results are appropriate.





Hextall doesn't hold any culpability. He drafted solid talent, cleaned up the salary cap and built the prospect base up. There should always be more than one guy in the hockey ops department. It was a huge mistake to give Fletcher the whole ball of wax. A huge mistake.

You fail to realize that Holmgren does not have to be in the day to day hockey operations to still have his influence present. He clearly influenced Scott and their mandate to become relevant and go back to trying to win now, is still clearly present. This organization needs an enema from top to bottom.
- MJL

Wipe off your chin.

They do have an opportunity to stockpile picks. However what are going to do with them? What are they going to do with the cap space? Do you think they're going to sit on it? Not use the cap space in free agency? Not use the draft picks as trade capital? They're going to reverse course now? I'll believe it when I see it.
- MJL

That's fair, me too! Like I said prior, and maybe I am reading too much into it, Fletcher has hinted that he knows the talent is not on the roster to be successful in this league. One example was his statement about not having the personnel on the PP in terms of flank shooting. The question I think we both have is what is Fletcher going to do about it. Will be double down and spend tons more cap on a veteran that he thinks provides this or will he do what I think we both want, go back to developing through the draft?

That's fair, me too! Like I said prior, and maybe I am reading too much into it, Fletcher has hinted that he knows the talent is not on the roster to be successful in this league. One example was his statement about not having the personnel on the PP in terms of flank shooting. The question I think we both have is what is Fletcher going to do about it. Will be double down and spend tons more cap on a veteran that he thinks provides this or will he do what I think we both want, go back to developing through the draft?
- jd250

You keep falling back on Fletcher hinting that the talent is not good enough. Why is he hinting about something that every fan knows? This is his team. Who cares? What will he do with it is the issue and why should he be trusted to do it?
I've wanted them to stick to drafting and developing from the get go. You were tired of waiting. What are you still doing? You're still waiting. Now because of Fletchers actions, you're going to be waiting longer.

Olivia Reiner
@ReinerOlivia
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31m
Flyers lines/pairs at morning skate

Farabee-Laughton-Atkinson
Brassard-Frost-van Riemsdyk
Bunnaman-Hayes-Willman
Lindblom-Brown-MacEwen



York-Braun
Zamula-Ristolainen
Yandle-Connauton
- PLindbergh31

Good lord.
As a STH I have no choice but to pay for that slop.

Olivia Reiner
@ReinerOlivia
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31m
Flyers lines/pairs at morning skate

Farabee-Laughton-Atkinson
Brassard-Frost-van Riemsdyk
Bunnaman-Hayes-Willman
Lindblom-Brown-MacEwen

York-Braun
Zamula-Ristolainen
Yandle-Connauton
- PLindbergh31

Glad Brassard is back, just hope he is 100% and not coming back because of all the other issues. Will look forward to watching York and Zamula to see how they are doing in their development. I think game wise York is already NHL ready, but he needs more bulk. He gets pushed around way too easy right now and that will lead to an injury.

I'm not in favor of how the league appears to have no rhyme or reason as to when a game gets to be "postponed" due to the number of players. Dont get me wrong Id love if this worked out to an easy win, but it just makes no sense to me when they hen pick when enough is enough. I get the canada/travel aspect, but they have postponed solely american based matchups for less. Either care about the quality of the on ice product and set a number that when they reach X, the game is canceled, or simply dont and say your game is your game, fill out a roster and play.

also, Hayes as the third center with even this thin of a lineup? Are the flyers just trying to elevate some younger guys and see what they can do or what?

Olivia Reiner
@ReinerOlivia
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31m
Flyers lines/pairs at morning skate

Farabee-Laughton-Atkinson
Brassard-Frost-van Riemsdyk
Bunnaman-Hayes-Willman
Lindblom-Brown-MacEwen

York-Braun
Zamula-Ristolainen
Yandle-Connauton
- PLindbergh31

Omfg. What a farce.

Good lord.
As a STH I have no choice but to pay for that slop.
- Briere

Yeah, I was between this one and the april game. I went with the latter.

Structure, fundamentals, preparation and playing with heart and tenacity. Isn't that coaching. Should Yeo be replaced or given more time. I know it is cost prohibitive as Vigneault is still being paid as will Yeo if he is moved aside back to assistant. Throw in the injuries and covid, hard to assess but minus the skill, the above can be coached.
- Hubby

At some point, when do we stop blaming the coaches and start looking at the players. Yeo is a professional coach who knows his stuff. AV had over 700 victories in the NHL. These guys know more hockey in their tiny pinky then any of us ever will. All coaches essentially teach the same structures and fundamentals, its really depends on the players talent and buy-in. It seems to me this group just does not want to play with structure or more likely, don't have the talent to play with structure against other good teams. That is why I keep coming back to the talent level on this team not being anywhere near what it should be to seriously content.

At some point, when do we stop blaming the coaches and start looking at the players. Yeo is a professional coach who knows his stuff. AV had over 700 victories in the NHL. These guys know more hockey in their tiny pinky then any of us ever will. All coaches essentially teach the same structures and fundamentals, its really depends on the players talent and buy-in. It seems to me this group just does not want to play with structure or more likely, don't have the talent to play with structure against other good teams. That is why I keep coming back to the talent level on this team not being anywhere near what it should be to seriously content.
- jd250

If we want to not look at the coaches and blame the players then we have to look at all 23 players. It was obvious to me that this team cannot play AV's system. When we look back at his tenure, looking back to last season, what did that coaching staff fix? What did they improve?
I've seen bottom feeder teams play with structure. Watch Seattle play. They play with structure.

You keep falling back on Fletcher hinting that the talent is not good enough. Why is he hinting about something that every fan knows? This is his team. Who cares? What will he do with it is the issue and why should he be trusted to do it?
I've wanted them to stick to drafting and developing from the get go. You were tired of waiting. What are you still doing? You're still waiting. Now because of Fletchers actions, you're going to be waiting longer.
- MJL

Yes, I was tired of waiting and frankly I am still tired of waiting for this team to contend. You know how awful it is when family comea over and I go to other hockey homes and get "How about those Flyers eh?". I'm sick of it, its just embarrassing! But I have been a life long Flyers fan (even growing up and living in Boston) and always will be. At this point, I just have way too much invested not to be :-)

I just know that making trades that net us a player like Panarin or Zebanijad are few and far between so the next best thing is drafting high and hoping for the best. That is why I wouldn't even mind if Fletcher traded his entire draft for a top 5 pick, as long as his scouts believe there is a player worth taking there, or tank for a chance to draft Connor Bedard who looks like the next Crosby to me (at least he has the right first name). I don't want Fletcher to draft the way Hextall did, that is stay where you are, maybe trade down, and draft as many picks as possible. I really want quality over quantity. That is why I want Fletcher to be aggressive, target what his staff believes are the right players and go for it!

Hayes is the third line center with these injuries lol

If we want to not look at the coaches and blame the players then we have to look at all 23 players. It was obvious to me that this team cannot play AV's system. When we look back at his tenure, looking back to last season, what did that coaching staff fix? What did they improve?
I've seen bottom feeder teams play with structure. Watch Seattle play. They play with structure.
- MJL

Seattle has foot speed.

Yes, I was tired of waiting and frankly I am still tired of waiting for this team to contend. You know how awful it is when family comea over and I go to other hockey homes and get "How about those Flyers eh?". I'm sick of it, its just embarrassing! But I have been a life long Flyers fan (even growing up and living in Boston) and always will be. At this point, I just have way too much invested not to be :-)

I just know that making trades that net us a player like Panarin or Zebanijad are few and far between so the next best thing is drafting high and hoping for the best. That is why I wouldn't even mind if Fletcher traded his entire draft for a top 5 pick, as long as his scouts believe there is a player worth taking there, or tank for a chance to draft Connor Bedard who looks like the next Crosby to me (at least he has the right first name). I don't want Fletcher to draft the way Hextall did, that is stay where you are, maybe trade down, and draft as many picks as possible. I really want quality over quantity. That is why I want Fletcher to be aggressive, target what his staff believes are the right players and go for it!
- jd250

Trading to get into the top 5 is extremely unlikely. Do you recall how the Flyers were able to draft Travis Konecny? How about Frost and Farabee?
Earlier you were in a conversation about the Flyers not hitting on picks in later rounds? You hit on picks in the later rounds by using them. The more picks you have the better your odds. This is what I'm referring to when I state that you often contradict yourself.

Seattle has foot speed.
- jd250

No more than the Flyers do.

No more than the Flyers do.
- MJL

I agree. The Kraken are not a bunch of speed skaters. They seem quicker because they play a more structured game.

Trading to get into the top 5 is extremely unlikely. Do you recall how the Flyers were able to draft Travis Konecny? How about Frost and Farabee?
Earlier you were in a conversation about the Flyers not hitting on picks in later rounds? You hit on picks in the later rounds by using them. The more picks you have the better your odds. This is what I'm referring to when I state that you often contradict yourself.
- MJL

Remember when Saint Ronnie could have acquired the #1 overall pick a few years back for that Dmna on Florida....I member. Who was it Saint Ronnie didnt want to part with?

Oskar Linblom was well on his way as a 5th round pick before being set back by cancer. Gostisbehere was also a pretty good player as a 3rd round pick. The key is to use your picks. The more swings you take, the more chance of a hit you have. Flyers have dealt 3 2nd rounders in the last 3 years. For what?
- MJL

The number 1 issue with this organization starts fro the top. Since Fetcher has been here, he’s given out a lot and brought in very little. In my opinion if you haven’t brought in high draft picks, prospects with high ceilings or at least one superstar in 3 years, you’ve failed as a general manager.

Yeah, I was between this one and the april game. I went with the latter.
- stayinthefnnet

Fortunately, we can exchange games for future games, which i did for tonight, but we still have to pay.

Trading to get into the top 5 is extremely unlikely. Do you recall how the Flyers were able to draft Travis Konecny? How about Frost and Farabee?
Earlier you were in a conversation about the Flyers not hitting on picks in later rounds? You hit on picks in the later rounds by using them. The more picks you have the better your odds. This is what I'm referring to when I state that you often contradict yourself.
- MJL

I don't mean to contradict myself. Yes the Flyers have not hit in later rounds with truly impact players. Look at the current Flyers roster for proof of this: Giroux, Couturier, Farabee, Sanheim, York, Frost, TK and Laughton, all 1st round picks! The only current roster player that was drafted that is not a 1st round pick is Lindblom. So clearly this shows the Flyers are not having the luck that other franchises like Tampa have got in terms of finding gems in later rounds. The fact is the chances of finding those gems in later rounds, or even outside the top 10 pick, is very low compared to the odds of finding a truly impactful player in the top 10. That is why I have come around to thinking now that the best thing to do is target the player you think has the best chance of being that player and aggressively pursuing him.

What I think you fail to realize is its OK to have your opinions evolve over time as the reality of the current situation sinks in. Last year I would argue with PT21 that you can build a good team without drafting in the top 10 and used Farabee and York as examples, but my opinion has changed when I concluded that as good as Farabee is, he will never be more than a good complimentary player, he will not be an elite player, and teams that contend need at least one or two elite players.

I agree. The Kraken are not a bunch of speed skaters. They seem quicker because they play a more structured game.
- mickel25

Seattle has the same boneheaded coach who sucked here & his teams looked just as awful as they do know. So how does the Seattle team look structured & Flyers never did when he was here. Answer: the players are buying in in Seattle & captain minimal effort & the players here wanted to/continue to do their own thing

Fortunately, we can exchange games for future games, which i did for tonight, but we still have to pay.
- Briere

yeah i went with the later option so malkin would be back, but who even knows what the future will bring at this rate.

as a flyers fan your frustration in having to pay for that is reasonable though.